US needs INDIA to eliminate crime in US using a MINORITY REPORT style operations, SO that US police dont have to do any work and neither its military and it can freeload INDIAn peoples minds with its crap. Most people must have watched the 2002 movie MINORITY REPORT if not please go and watch it on your cable or read it on Wiki. These people want to overburden Indians with their HOMELAND security all for free. People should stop cooperating with government for the UID because it is a step in that direction.
Re: FREELOADERS
by MKeny on Jun 05, 2010 08:35 PM
IN THAT MOVIE THE PERSON IS DRIVEN TO CRIME BY THE POLICE WHO ARE MISLED BY SOME CRIME PRECOG CONSTRUCT ON FALSE CLUES
Human Rights in India ... you are day dreaming Gentleman. If that is your case of Scrapping UID then abolish Bombay Police Act first.. which is the Gross Violation of Human Right. Police Man has Right to know Your Name ( whcih is your personal) and Address, any time. If he Feels ( according to his whims) that what you have revealed is not true.. He can arrest you. You have to literally struggle to get a FIR lodged at any Police station, even superme court of India have not clear guidelines on this. Once a Judgment comes that it is Mandatory for the Police to register an FIR, then after someday some other Judge rules its up to the Police to decide whether to register a compalint as an FIR or not. Even the bill for ANTI TORTURE is yet to be passed and made an act. After 60 years of Democracy we are thinking of such a bill, and that too when it UN showed us the stick. And this Bill is also having many Lacuna. Have you not read or heard of Stage Managed ENcounters.. We have Plenty in Mumbai and most of the encounter specialists are being tried for Murder. If you talk about Human Rights and Technology.. then every Police station be fitted with CCTY with its Recording in Controls of concerned magistrates.. let him see the REMAND that Police had asked for. GOD only can save HUMAN not the democracy like in INDIA. I am from Mumbai where their are less attroscites.. cant say about the places far flung in rural and tribal people stay.. Any one else can throw light ..
Gopal Krishna has raised some valid arguments that should be considered carefully. But first I would like to highlight a little known fact about the UID. Gopal Krishna said UID consists of 12 digits. This is in fact incorrect. The UID number consists of 16 digits. The first 12 digits will appear on the card. the last 4 digits will not be present on the card and in fact it will not even be known to the card holder himself. These 4 digits will appear only in the UID database and will be accessible only to the people operating the database. This raises the questions about how much power does an individual actually have over the card that is supposed to empower him.
According to the proponents of the UID, using this card a citizen can open bank account, get voter ID, Driving License, passport, get a gas connection etc. This means information regarding all these matters will be linked to to the UID and by providing the UID No., a police officer can access information related to these matters. This raises the question whether there is going to be any compartmentalization of information. For example, if a police officer quotes the UID No. of a person to find out his overseas travel records, then will the bank records of the said individual be made available to the police officer too? Is UIDAI going to ensure that only the information relevant to the query is provided and nothing else is given?
Re: Valid Arguments
by vijay chauhan on Jun 05, 2010 03:52 PM
Further more, presently some of this information can be acquired only after getting a court order. Will a Law Enforcement officer still need to approach the court to get this information after UID is launched? UIDAI has still not clarified these matters. Some of you might say that a citizen should have no objection to sharing this information with the government and only those who have done something wrong will refuse to share this information. And to certain extent this is true. What is also true is that governments are accountable to the people and when they collect information regarding the citizen, they should make clear their intentions and objectives regarding the information. However the Indian government has taken a very vague and ambiguous stand in this matter saying this is will benefit the poorest of the poor. This makes one wonder why would the poorest of the poor need a driving license or a passport?
Lastly, we have all seen how reluctant government departments are about sharing information under RTI Act. In fact government has tried in the recent past to change the RTI Act to exclude file notings, which are needed to understand the reasoning behind the decision taken. It was only due to vociferous protests by the likes Gopal Krishna that government backed down.Will you trust the government with information regarding you if it won't trust you with information regarding itself.
Re: Re: Valid Arguments
by pkr ramesh on Jun 05, 2010 09:04 PM
Mr Vijay as a strong propnent of UID let me explain the so called Human Privacy,Rights etc.As of today do you think we have so called rights? PAN no- If Govt wants they can get all financial details thread bare No privacy Passport-All addresses in last 20 years is there,KYC-RBI requirement all personal financial,personal,details is there,SEBI-Try opening a DEMAT account again thread bare disclosures All these details are already there,and if Govt wants to be vindictive these details plus they can tap telephones,and whole lot of methods So you are in fools paradise if you believe you are free bird Overtly yes covertly big NO.AS it is said here that US UK are best in human rights Patriots act massive noise in US did US supreme court strike it down? NO? Let us be pragmatic as such we are naked,exposed,before Govt There is nothing more to hide.UID is tool to help poor.have nots,people.Let us try Dont weave paronia,negative thoughts even before it gets going Even if it helps 20% of rural have nots I would say it has delivered
Re: Re: Re: Valid Arguments
by ratheesh raman on Jun 06, 2010 04:26 AM
if it is pro poor, then it should be issued to the beneficiaries only...why to include whole population in it. we already have a voter ID card for the ID purpose, which also states the adress.
then for the elites (since they form low percentages) we have PAN, passport, sebi etc.
your assertion that since we dont have impeccable track record of citizen's rights (rather than the human rights, which is still vague), is like saying since we are already corrupt let us make a law making corruption legal!...
it is not that we emulate US/UK in freedom, since their defention of freedom is much more extensive.
the aspiration to become a unified society is misplaced in the Indian scenario since we are very diverse, and it is the beauty of our country. Let it be like this only...than making it a game of numbers.
for doing pro poor measures, we shoudl have a strong will, not numbers. why to waste 20000 crores
Re: Re: Valid Arguments
by ratheesh raman on Jun 05, 2010 04:04 PM
thanks vijay, that was very informative...you really have good knowledge of the UID, and brought up a few facts missed by the author!
Re: Valid Arguments
by dadaatposting on Jun 08, 2010 04:59 AM
Please do not post if you have no idea how the UID system works. The risks you want people to realize are far greater without UID, for example people having same name (including sirname). What is being done now to prevent misuse? and what is being done to stop illegals getting everything, including passport? This is not about poor or wealthy but, this is about building national security. Which I am sure, is waste of money to you and the author. There needs to be discussion around what abuses might be there with this, not scrapping the UID itself. You haven't stopped going online to put your thoughts on a message board, do you know how many possibilities you have opened up for "other" people to peek into your personal computer? Technology should be used for betterment of society; educated fools like you can only complain and want everything on silver platter, without working towards it.
Frankly speaking i hate "Activisit". does not matter what type of activisit are they, all are same. They don't have any constructive agenda. They think being activisit means oppose any thing which 90% of population wants or like. That is their defination. They believe they are well wisher of people, but in reality they always works agains common people.
Re: Activist
by kinggurudev on Jun 06, 2010 05:27 PM
Due to inhuman practices of the Indian Police force trained on manual created to protect British imperial interests (now corporate interests)Indian society is paying a heavy price for the state's practice of the politics of suspicion, whose most extreme expression is “encounter killing”. The National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) recently admitted that as many as 2,560 police “encounters” were reported to it between 1993 and 2006 – an annual average of 183. It found almost half – 1,224, to be precise – to be “fake” or staged, that is, non-judicial executions. Britishers Police Act 1861, still in force guides the Indian Police. Constitution of India is the supreme law of the land but the police are governed by the repressive 1861 Police Act and the regressive Indian Penal Code (IPC) and Criminal Procedure Code (CrPC). UID number is an extension of the repressive regime. In 1856, the Board of Directors of the East India Company had observed that the Indian police has a ‘generalised reputation for corruption and oppression’, this was endorsed by the Police Commission of 1902. Post-independence, the first ever National Police Commission (NPC) set up by the post-Emergency Janata Party government of 1977, documented the prevailing conditions in the Indian police in eight volumes (1979-81) and recommended far-reaching reforms. Th
Many poor children get benefited from UID, because they start going to schools and get accessing to free eduction. children above 5 years are included under UID.
This writer is writing crap without knowing anything about UID. He has downloaded some information from net and trying to paste here to get accolade. But he is not successful
Re: Benefit Schemes
by ratheesh raman on Jun 05, 2010 03:53 PM
why to club the right to education with UID. govt can give an ID to beneficiaries of schemes, but should not impose it on to the general public (as all are not going to come under beneficiary schemes) dont we already have sufficient number of cards, this one is absolutely non essential.
If u criticise U must also suggest an alternative atleast let some people work ....So Mr Gopal Krishna first suggest an alternative till then chill.....
Re: UID
by kinggurudev on Jun 06, 2010 05:49 PM
What is the alternative for tobacco, opium and drugs? whatever is injurious to human health must be abandoned. UID too is quite harmful. just avoid it if u can and support a democratic campaign against it.
I do agree with the views of the author. It is just fooling the people. They iradicd not iradicate poverty in last 63 years. How r they going to do with UID. Govt is acting as an e-gestapo in the name of poors. I discard this.
Re: Discard the UID project
by indian on Jun 07, 2010 04:45 PM
because right persons were not ther for last many years.please dont pull the nation back.please allow those who are trying to irradicate poverty sincierly to do so
i donot the over exggerated points make any logic for scrapping the project.it is good project,but may be having some negative points.criticising for the sake of critism is not valid.so the project should stay.practically people in this generation where it is required to work in other states are suffering for IDs & adress-proofs etc unnecessarily,so the will solve the problems & work as universal tool to every citizen.
Re: UID
by ratheesh raman on Jun 05, 2010 03:57 PM
our inefficient administration is not going to get any better with UID. we already have so many ID cards, voters card was almost universal to Indians. after 5 years they will come with a card which has nano tunneling, or darkmatter encrypted, it is just fooling the public.
most of the messeges in this messege board are very ambitious i say...they expect a miracle in the form of UID...but i think it is just waste of money and creeping into public freedom.
