Quid pro quo - ID card project given to Infosys even as Infosys award for academic excellence given to PM's daughter, a Delhi University academic. Cash amounting to Rs 50 lakh. So much for Manmohan Singh's widely touted honesty!
There are already enough cards and IDs, no need for further waste of resources. Pls save the resource and use on poverty alleviation.
I think the govt is systematically changing the concept of democracy in India, as democracy in India is becoming the government of the ruling govt for the govt on the helpless people of the country suffering from poor drinking water / electric supply, worst bureaucracy, corrupt policing and inefficient judicial system. No govt dare to improve them but only profile the citizen with stamp after stamp of cards and IDs.
As a minority, we all are afraid from such kind of profiling of UID for targeted harassment and agree with the concern raised in the article. In a country like India with so much loose law and order and poor governance. Presence right wing opportunist always waiting to go any level like targeted harassment and killing to capture power.
We will appreciate if the govt save resources from this activity as well as cut defense and atomic arms race and invest them on poverty alleviation and general welfare like in Belgium. They provide world class housing, education, and health to their citizen free against the tax collected. They are not atomic power but welfare state in real sense.
Let the Govt of India provide basic necessities, like drinking water, electricity, honest policing, efficient judiciary, bureucracy and governace.
Re: No need of UID but basic necessities
by pkr ramesh on Jun 04, 2010 07:44 AM
Has Passport,PAN,KYC,Voter ID harassed you.What has minority to do with this ?Are minorities separate from Indians? I thought minorities are protected better by secular govt,not harassed
Re: Re: No need of UID but basic necessities
by ratheesh raman on Jun 04, 2010 09:39 AM
i didnt know that passport, PAN KYC, Voter Id come to your doorsteps!...come on man, every one knows how much effort a person spends on each card. and it is absolutely non-essential to have a new card, if it is worth then it is ok to take pains.
why wasting money, by keeping techczar as the mascot...?
Re: Re: Re: No need of UID but basic necessities
by MAHESH GUPTA on Jun 04, 2010 10:00 AM
This may appear to be an additional card. However, dear, it has security features to uniquely identify an individual and his nationality, etc. which are essential from fraud prevention, misappropriation of targetted subsidies, and security checks. Till now, no other card is able to do it, simply because, irresepctive of the facts stated on the identity cards, the biometrics are not captured anywhere, thus making them vulnerable to fraud. Hope this clarifies.
Re: Re: Re: Re: No need of UID but basic necessities
by ratheesh raman on Jun 04, 2010 01:37 PM
man, i mentioned in the earlier messeges too...it is not the card which has to be smart but the people/system/country which has to be. No card can make a dumb smart.
i can see the endless optimism that the new card or yet to come cards will address so many of our concerns.
illegal immigrants, financial inclusion etc, survive not because we cannot identify them, but because the govt has no will to solve the problem.
the system is the fraudulent one, even fake passports are common, and you expect the card will be foolproof.
it may be tamper proof to some practical extend but the officials who collect the data and make the database are not tamper proof, there is no surety that a pakistani or bengladeshi wont get a UID in an Indian persons name.
you take biometric, nanotunneling, antineutrino collision detection system or any out of universe system it will only complicate the simple things.
absolutely non essential card, which is unwanted intrusion to the citizens legally allowed and upheld privacy!
Re: Re: Re: No need of UID but basic necessities
by pkr ramesh on Jun 04, 2010 08:31 PM
Mr Raman The reply was for Mr Irfans message.I felt/ feel he was communalising the discussion.Yes my PAN,Passport came by post .Voter IDwas hand delivered, of course after due procedure.I did not pay bribe for any of the three.I respect your views and and I continue to hold my view Good Luck God Bless You.Till we dicuss on some other topic bye
Re: Re: Re: Re: No need of UID but basic necessities
by ratheesh raman on Jun 04, 2010 08:50 PM
Mr. Prakash i understand your views. but what i meant was that it is worth strengthening our current cards, and providing new cards for all the beneficiaries of schemes, but a mandatory card is absolutely non essential.
you are lucky enough that your IDs got delivered at your doorsteps without bribe/effort. but many, especially rural ones, are not so.
i can understand your views of having a good social security system...and keep posting it is good to hear views even though it differs with mine. good luck
Omit religion,caste,region in UID.Include 1.name 2.parent's name(both father&mother)3.age(may be declared)4.photo 5.finger prints 6.occupation 7.income(monthly)8.family details. 9languages spoken further details may be intrusive and/or have a chance to get misused.
First of all you don't know the basic of governance, liberty doesnt mean you are not accountable. To keep the transparency and govern you need a centrally governed and monitoring system.
I am sorry to say but this is the truth the person like Gopal is damaging India and its future for better place to live and do the business.
Re: You have gone Mad..!!
by ScrapUID on Jun 04, 2010 10:30 PM
Kashyap, do unlearn the basics of governance that we have been taught. Aren't u as a citizen obligated to speak out when citizenry has grave doubts about the fears of government intrusion. how about transparency about the deadly chemicals in the veins and arteries of an embryo in its mother's womb. how about making those liable and accountable for such wilful acts of chemical warfare against even the unborn child. Also it will be interesting to see how Unique Identity Card Number missionaries like u will preach the good word about biometric identity based governance numbers to the fiercely shy Sentinelese and Shompen tribes in India's Andaman and Nicobar islands. As a fellow citizen, i urge u to reconsider ur views.
first of all, the article is just too long ! the ability of any activist to put across the point of view is inversely proportional to the length of the preaching !!
secondly, analogy of the Jews and Nazis is ill-placed, in the same sense that we should not be dependent on nuclear-power, as in 1945 US used nuclear devices in Japan. I wonder what the writer's view point (if there ever was one !) on this any time !!!
all the issues that have been outlined by the writer had happened without an information database and anything that is to happen in the future would not depend on the information database (created by the UID). then what are we talking about ?
rather than opposing something to justify one's "activist" tag, it will be better to demand a clear description of the benefits of the UID project to see whether there is merit in them !
Re: Why the UID number project must be scrapped
by kinggurudev on Jun 04, 2010 11:58 AM
Prior to UID, it was the use of IBM's punching card technology by Nazis. Didn't IBM's UID Number lead to holocaust of the jews. Historical facts are sacred, its not a matter of opinion. Indian citizens are quite innocent and have very poor memory. How is Nandan Nilekani different from Ramalinga Raju? What if Infosys and UID follows the path of Satyam. Why is it that on January 7, 2009, Chairman of Satyam, Ramalinga Raju resigned after publicly announcing his involvement in an accounting fraud. Why is Ramalinga Raju currently in a Hyderabad prison along with his brother and former board member Rama Raju, and the former Chief Financial Officer Vadlamani Srinivas. Like UID, Satyam too advocated financial inclusion of the poor like UID authority. Very soon, one will hear telling us that Emergency was imposed for the benefit of the poor!
Why Rediff published such krap? writer is a ISI backed communist. no sense no logic only long bakwaas. only faltu fears. seculars are worried about bangladeshis and pakistanis hiding in india becoz UID will help in catching them. If I not did any crime why I like to hide from govt. only crimnals, corrupted, rapists, terrorists, thier suportrs want to hide. already we hav 30 crore refugees, how many more we can handle?
Re: absolute nonsense!
by ratheesh raman on Jun 03, 2010 10:26 PM
and you think that the dream of a criminal free society is one (more) card away!...dont we already have enough cards to check the criminals, and if we dont have better not to have it! coz it is also not going to make a difference.
democracy and civilized society means upholding a persons individuality to the fullest, with out negatively affecting the society. So if you are not a criminal you have all the rights (or freedom if you hate the word right) to keep your business with you.
Your telephonic conversations about recent trip to mount abu is of no interest to government if you have no criminal holdings, and it is your freedom that no one else know it if you wish so. and mind you every thing is not public,(and in immodest way how a person is born every one knows, but parents will almost never tell the saga to their children)
Only dictatorship will end up counting people by numbers.
a smart card is not going to make you smart, if you are smart you could make even a simple ration card smarter. if you are not better not complicate and waste the money, better we can build gutters on either side of few important roads.
Let there be a referendum to see what people want. Then, will the benami files in income tax or politicians' benami fronts be unearthed? Will the benami bank accounts in India and abroad be unearthed? If not, then why have this luxary? What do our westernised human rights activists say?
This whole progect is for to tame the indian PEOPLE, tHIS IS inforce the concept of credit rating. So that banks can force their policies on you and you dont have any place to escape, and secondly in if in your company your manager have given a bad remark for what ever reason, then that remark will be attached to you forever and it will create problem in your further carrier. Harresed forever, people in US and UK are victims even they have such good laws, I dont know how Indians will deal this one.
Re: It will only haress people
by ratheesh raman on Jun 03, 2010 06:35 PM
Just addition to the already existing list of cards. Ration card, PAN card, election card/voter card, Passport, consumer card (gas), electricity card, Villege beneficiary card, NREGA card.
now another card who is the Uncle (of course father is still in imagination and will be unveiled later) of all cards!
Ofcourse this shud be scrapped, it is against the principle of our politicians, how else can one grant bangladeshis and pakis, free hutments and ration cards. The ID project will curb a lot of such activities, the communists in WB will lose all hold over whatever lil power they now have, congress will have to start some real secular policies to get the hindu vote bank.. its best we allow this project to be scrapped, our politicians will not survive otherwise.
Re: Mad Analysis
by ratheesh raman on Jun 03, 2010 06:37 PM
if all the cards sofar has not done any good to identify the illegal immigrant, well, this card is also not going to be different.
only thing it will add more headache to the common man who is least bothered where our country is heading to ...
politicians will never perish as only the ones who never perish becomes the politician!
Re: Mad Analysis
by pkr ramesh on Jun 03, 2010 09:51 PM
Has US with all so called sophisticated system stopped Mexicans,LATAMS from becoming illegal immigrants? UK being an island stopped illegals? Has Europe stopped illegals? Just as Water flows from higher to lower level people will migrate from lower economic areas to higher areas Arent people from all over flooding Mumbai UID is not a police man
Re: Mad Analysis
by Shashank misra on Jun 03, 2010 06:13 PM
If it not made to help people and by no way it can curb illegal immigration issues, but it will defenitely help financial institutions to regulate the lives of people. Ex your credit rating became low and you can get loan only on 20% (not 8-9% ), every bank has this info now and you will not get loan on normal rate, because a bank had written that you credit rating is bad. and it will be benificals for bank to make credit rating bad.
When I read these kind of arguments I am surprised, this is like saying we should not use knife for cutting vegetables as it can be used for murder too.
Re: bullshit
by ratheesh raman on Jun 03, 2010 06:40 PM
the knife for cutting vegetables were selected by you, not forced on you. I am sure in late night on a strange road a person weiling the same vegatable knife can cause panic in you. hope you will find the difference (and hope it is a late night vegetable vendor you see).
