F UID is meant to complement your mobile phone and aid be more effective in reaching poor, I am surprised that recently only certain equipment from certain companies were banned for security reasons. In General All Equipment from All Companies including the hardware and software be used for malicious purpose against anyone using that equipment, how are you going to stop that. Maybe using UID and your mobile phone you do not need anything else, like roti, kapda and makaan. It is a one fine solution which takes care of everything else.
Re: About UID
by MKeny on Jun 07, 2010 05:54 PM
Banks can harrass people using the data, lot of banks do that. forget aliens we will have lot of local predators.
Re: Re: About UID
by MKeny on Jun 07, 2010 05:57 PM
Using your UID and mobile phone maybe you could be put into a state of perpetual feel good for ever
Dear Gopal Ji, If you can not do/think anything good pls dont confused the innocent citizen. Every effort towards devt has its merit and demerits but if merits are more we should accepts it to execute and provide your vital concerns or knowledge with possible solution to while implementation. Pls let ROLL ON THE PROJECT and dont stop,bad thing about UID will automatically corrected while setting a reviewing comitee or frequency to it.
Gopalakrishnan has taken UK for comparison. Our need is that identification of each individual is a must since, there are a lot of people from neighbouring countries clandestinely entering India; criminals are freely wandering from place to place, if UID is demanded, such people could be identified easily. Besides this, all finance companies can heave a sigh of relief, when advancing loans; and as a proud citizen of India, one can identify in other countries, where one's identity is verified. In every move, there will be a negative thinking and any adverse result arises, we can correct it. This is the positive approach. If you talk of tyrannical rule, or democratic rule, anybody can go on finding loopholes, but how things are working good for the common man alone should be looked into.
IF UID is meant to complement your mobile phone and aid be more effective in reaching poor, I am surprised that recently only certain equipment from certain companies were banned for security reasons. In General All Equipment from All Companies including the hardware and software be used for malicious purpose against anyone using that equipment, how are you going to stop that.
Re: ABOUT UID
by MKeny on Jun 07, 2010 05:26 PM
Maybe using UID and your mobile phone you do not need anything else, like roti, kapda and makaan. It is a one fine solution which takes care of everything else
you and your Citizens Forum for Civil Liberties is doing nothing good for the people of india.please dont mislead and pull india back.UID will prevent activist from eating the government funds. Let the government funds reach the poor
Dear Mr. Gopal Krishnan, Please stop, if your are not going to do any good to this country, please don't stop other from doing it..........Your argument is senseless.......every time in this country when some one wants to correct the system or reduce the corruption or crime, people like you (selfish idiots)come and raise issues........UID is a system which will provide identity and hence the right person will receive the benefits from the govt., but you want corruption to go on for some nonsense understanding of yours........ Hence please stop and let this country prosper... Instead of raising issues, contribute in the project by providing solution to your queries and helping the system in becoming better.....that will be great of you, not this. Hope your read this and will get some brains..
Democracies like UK and India respect their citizens right to privacy and civil liberties unlike Nazi regime of Germany and so called-Communist countries like China. Autocrats like Nandan Nilekani cannot take Indian citizens for a ride. The unique identification (UID) number project is executed without any legislative or parliamentary sanction. Representatives of people's movements, mass organisations and institutions have rightly opposed the unique identification number (UID) project which has agreed to use the services of foreign companies, their software and hardware with least regard to the perils of sharing data pertaining to the entire population of to foreign companies and countries, the way it has happened in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq and Japan.India will not have the courage like to deny such data to US. Why did Yukio Hatoyama, Japan's prime minister resign recently within just eight months in office because he could not fulfill his election campaign promise. He had landslide election win in the elections by pledging to create a "more equal" relationship with the US and promised to move the marine base off the island, which hosts more than half the 47,000 US troops stationed in Japan under a post second world war 50-year-old security agreement. Okinawa residents are demanding that US troops be taken off the island. UID is based on study commissioned by the US Department of Homeland Security. It will make India, a colony of US like Japan
Please don't mislead people with wrong information.Every country has the right to know about their legal residents/Citizens. You gave the example of UK ,even in UK they have "National Insurance number" like Social Security in US.I think it's a wonderful step by Govt of India. I really don't get the point why people are against it.If you are legal resident ,you should strongly support this project.We have PAN number, voting ID card ,ration card...etc. What's wrong in consolidating all these different i'd into one.According to me ,i think technology is the only way to eradicate corruption from the society. Please don't act like communist people ,they were against computers too .But now everyone realize the importance of it.Specially ,on security grounds when India is facing a major threat from internal as well external front ,its a must go project.There is no question about it.Every new thing has pros and cons and am sure UID too have some cons but if we sum up both , i think UID has lots of advantages.
Re: Sorry , I disagree
by ScrapUID on Jun 07, 2010 11:31 AM
Electronic Voting Machines (EVM) and UID are not trustworthy and potential of fraud is inherent in it. That's why for instance, EVMs have been abandoned in Ireland, the Netherlands, Germany, Florida and many other places. UK has abandoned UID projects as well. India should also abandon it. India uses roughly 1.4 million EVMs in 829,000 polling stations in a general election. The EVMs record votes to the machine’s internal memory and provide no paper records for any recount. Too much “absolute trust” is being placed in the hardware and software of the EVMs and projects like UID. There is a longstanding scientific consensus that such machines are fundamentally vulnerable.
Re: Sorry , I disagree
by ScrapUID on Jun 07, 2010 11:23 AM
Following the footprints of the Secrets Committee of British East India Company, in its megalomania the present regime has pre-decided the role and thoughts of the citizens so that they act like an anti-politics machine. The present regime, it acolytes and beneficiaries want citizens to be of same shape and size. It wants them to be put on Procrustean bed. Any attempt to reduce men to one standard, one way of thinking, or one way of acting, is called placing them on Procrustes’ bed, and the person who makes the attempt is called Procrustes. Nandan Nilekani is a Procrustes. Procrustes was a robber of Attica, a historical region of Greece who placed all who fell into his hands upon an iron bed. If they were longer than the bed, he cut off the redundant part; if shorter, he stretched them till they fitted it. UID is a Procrustean bed.
University of Michigan have successfully hacked into Indian electronic voting machines (EVMs) Data security and vulnerability to manipulation of is quite possible in the IT World as elsewhere. Researchers from the University of Toronto exposed a China-based computer espionage network that pilfered classified documents from India's Defence Ministry. Government announcing a plan to set up a DNA databank. DNA databases can be corrupted, potentially victimising innocent citizens.
The National Population Register (NPR) and National Intelligence Grid (NATGRID) can track and profile individuals by studying transactions and patterns. The NPR is being compiled not under the Census Act but under the Citizenship Act, 1955. The Census Act guarantees confidentiality and says personal data is “not open to inspection nor admissible in evidence”. Such protection is missing from the latter, which makes citizen registration “compulsory”. The information generated by the NPR will be shared with the UIDAI and NATGRID.
