First, let all the people who claims that the Koodamkulam is safe one , to bring their family and house them close to the area where the fishermen are also housed. People like MMS, JLalitha, Narayana swamy etc must show courage to house their families close to the project let them show example and challenge the /face the threats of nuc power/radiation threats.
I advise Dr Kalam not to involve in this fiasco and spoil his untarnished image relying on this scam tainted UPA Govt., particularly with the news that the Gandhi family was in the payroll of KGB.
In the field of industrial safety if a plant has run for an appreciable length of time without any untoward incident we dont say the plant is safe, we say people are lucky. This is because safety is a 24x7x365 and 24x7x366 job and anything can happen at any time, you never can tell. There is no such thing as a safe plant, all industrial installations are inherently unsafe/hazardous. Whether these will operate within acceptable levels of safety depends on a huge number of factors, many of them interlinked in myriad ways.
Safety culture is one such factor. Now INdians cannot be said to be terribly safety conscious. Last year some professors from Delhi University junked a live source of radioactivity as it it were some regular kabadi, that led to at least one death and many others injured. This says a lot about safety culture even among people who should know.
What is the solution for the following issues? 1.Koodankulam is just 50 Km from srilanka & it can bomed kudankulam & wipeout south india from map?. 2.There is no solution international cmmunity to handle the nuclear waste.The nuclear waste will pollute environment for decades. 3.None of the fishermen knows there is a indian navy in Tamilnadu shores..It is always srilankan army who attacks our fishermen. 4.How DAE is going to monitor radiation? Is Govt is providing any device to monitor radiation within 30 Km? How people knows that they are safe? 5.Since it is going to be 10GW powerplant there are 50 times the heated water(compare to kalpakkam) will be pumped out of the plant to sea? How Govt is going to assure the marine eco system? 6.Is Dr kalam assures the developement activities said above or Govt? Why indian Govt should provide full control to Dr Kalam? Why the second term has not been given to him? 7.In case of accidents how DAE is going to handle since the area around KKNP is having more than a lakhs population? Where is the safe place & Do they have enough transfortation for moving the people? 8.Will Govt will pay any compensation for any accident or people will face the same fate like Bhopol victims? 9.In case of accidents how much would be the radiation around 50 miles in work case scenario & after how many years the people can return home? Is there is a survey cnducted for loss of economy in case of accident?-We may lose best fertile land..f
Re: Dr kalam ..can you please answer?
by K G on Nov 08, 2011 06:03 PM
1. Trombay/Tarapore is almost same distance from Pak as KKNP from SL but still it no issues happened. Infact this is the very reason why there is a SECURITY corridor of 1 mile in the sea. Its not a safety corridor.
2) Plastics do pollute the env for decades. Oils have. Similarly Nuclear wastes (by the way treated nuclear waste is a pollutant and not radiating element any more).
3. Valid point. Let me put it other way, the presence of active KKNP will wake up sleeping Indian Navy which will indirectly provide security to Indian fishermen.
4) DAE has published all the details. They even had tested the near impossible worst case scenario whose one of the procedure is the evacuation of people to 90kms (which was wrongly understood, because of useless PR of govt body).
5. It is also answered by DAE. Steel plants and boiling water kettle dont have same safety measures. DAE is not this much dumb enough to not distinguish this. They have published you may check with DAE.
6. How is this politics related to so called threat from KKNP?
7. Pls see later part of my answer to 4. Infact a hell a lot of safety and security measures were tested including PR wise botched up(and not technical botch up) 'impossible worst case scenario' evac drill as well.
8. Nice point. It has to be addressed by govt. when this govt was hell bent on supporting US to bring limited liability bill, surely a written compensation policy has to be given in case of any accident.
Re: Re: Dr kalam ..can you please answer?
by mani mani on Nov 14, 2011 07:33 AM
1.Does any one knows How 26/11 attack happened in mumbai? Here the target is different..Thats it. 2.Do you see any efforts to solve the basic polition issues like platics...oil..etc..Do you say the workers in nuclear plants dispiplined from general public? 3.Thanks for agreeing that they are sleeping till now.. 4.Where is the details..no one knows..Publish it on a news paper 7.On reality they scientists will escape first..first uppal you should not keep the plant in a highly populated area. 8.Govt wont provide any compensation policy..becuase they need to compensate on loss of lives,loss of assets,loss of jobs..etc
Re: Dr kalam ..can you please answer?
by Siru Thurumbu on Nov 08, 2011 06:19 PM
1. Impossible. A nuclear weapon has different fuel and at different levels and ratio than a reactor.
2.International community is working on it and so should Indians. You cannot always expect the rest of the world to give everything to you you can actually give somethings back.
3. I agree. Naval presence has always been a joke. But blame congress for it. Tamil/kerala fishermen are constantly attacked by srilankans so brazenly and our cowards in New Delhi do nothing.
4. Every light post will be fitted with monitors for atleast 10 miles. SUV's outfitted with radiation monitors. Some of the monitors are so small it can fit in your bag. The actual fuel rods are kept in water to be cooled under a dome of steel and concrete.
Dr. Kalam was not given a second term because, he was seen as a BJP person. Congress did not want him.
7. Tamil Nadu handled Tsunami rather decently. Unlike in Japan, we are rather safe, we have a lot of trains buses and trucks. The hot zone will be about 30 to 50 miles.
Re: Re: Dr kalam ..can you please answer?
by mani mani on Nov 14, 2011 07:38 AM
1.They why big hungama in chernobyl accident? 4.Radiation monitors should have integrated with an alarm system in case of accident.So that people will aware 24/7 7.Big joke.Govt was no where in the picture? Who alerted it? Do you know how many people washed out? Only NGO's helped people.
Re: Re: Re: Dr kalam ..can you please answer?
by K G on Nov 14, 2011 04:40 PM
1. Chernobyl and even fukishima did not have any automated shut down feature in case of temperature increase. Both had to be done manually. Chernobyl is worse of the two kinds. Fukishima atleast had semi-automatic shut down but the power backup was wrongly placed within the reactor place. Hence upon power-failure it didn't work. Whereas scientists have explained two levels of redundant backup power and other supplies to the fully automatic shut down feature. Chernobyl accident had casualities, but Fukishima did not have. Despite all the above mentioned advancement the same evacuation can be done in KKNP as well. There is an exhaustive process for training the people around 90Kms periodically. I think the stress test PR botch up lesson would wake up the authorities and would make them do the safety drill periodically. In kalpakkam it does happen.
4. Yep your point is right. Exactly thats what is done in the automated system, as i understand.
Re: Take Rs1 lakh from me
by venkat g on Nov 07, 2011 09:59 PM
Take 1 lakh from me if you prove that house I built is safe and will never collapse due to any earth quake? Any takers?
Re: Re: Take Rs1 lakh from me
by Vivek Dev on Nov 07, 2011 10:05 PM
It is about acceptable risk. Your house is safe. It is like jumping out from ground floor window and jumping out from 10 th floor window. Both may be dangerous but asked to make a choice between the two,people would rather choose to jump from ground floor window than from 10th floor window.
Re: Re: Re: Take Rs1 lakh from me
by gaius octavian on Nov 07, 2011 10:15 PM
nuclear plants are safe were there any accidents in India you know? other than Chernobyl there are only two other incidents and there was no loss of life , on the other hand car accidents kill lakhs of people every year why don't we ban cars?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Take Rs1 lakh from me
by Vivek Dev on Nov 07, 2011 10:42 PM
Will the government tell you about nuclear accidents? Nuclear accidents are not like car accidents, governments will not allow nuclear accidents to be reported fully. We dont ban cars because cars are a necessity, we can do without nuclear plants.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Take Rs1 lakh from me
by Vivek Dev on Nov 07, 2011 10:49 PM
Hey gaius,have you ever worked in the field of safety? Or are just making comments from whatever you get to learn from the media? Do you have any exposure to the field of safety?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Take Rs1 lakh from me
by gaius octavian on Nov 07, 2011 10:53 PM
i dont need to work in safety to know what's happening , i can read and there is a lot of literature out there and i read a lot thanks you on the other never explain anything other than saying you are in the field of safety and you know something. so can you explain to me what happens when a nuclear reactor goes critical?
Dr.Kalam is again on a misleading path. Nuclear science is not his cup of tea. He is a missile scientist. Dr.Kalam is not a nuclear expert and his opinion is not shared by many nuclear scientists in the country. Moreover Dr.Kalam was entangled in a controversy last time when Amar Singh got SP to support UPA-1 on the nuclear issue. Dr.Kalam as President of India was a flop. In fact his candidacy was not supported by the Congress nor did he as President apply his mind judiciously. His midnight assent to President's rule in Bihar while he was in Moscow was a bad precedent he had set. Further he never showed his clemency as a human being for reprieve of a Convict who had already served 12 years in a condemned cell. The hunger strike of the poor parents who had the only son and their appeal for the reprieve did not reach his conscience. He was so insensitive and he succumbed to the political pressure of the wife of then CPIM CM of West Bengal. We were really shocked at Kalam's insensitivity.
Re: Missile Expert into nuclwear domain
by venkat g on Nov 07, 2011 09:57 PM
Completely wrong statement. Who executed nuclear tests in India? Please do not cofuse President and a Scientist. It is like comparing apples and oranges.
How can you call someting political when someone gives a technical explanation on nuclear reactor. It is clear hypocrisy.
Re: Re: Missile Expert into nuclwear domain
by sagar ganguli on Nov 07, 2011 10:05 PM
Please understand a Scientist is not without sensitivity. Einstein regretted his founding equation keeping in view the devastation. Oppenheimer shared the secret to save humanity.
Re: Re: Missile Expert into nuclwear domain
by Vivek Dev on Nov 07, 2011 10:07 PM
There are many ways nuclear plant could fail causig havoc apart from reactor failure. Kalam knows zilch about safety,his field is different, let him stick to his field.
Re: Missile Expert into nuclwear domain
by venkat g on Nov 07, 2011 10:03 PM
If you have said all this before picking up one stone to start construction of plant it is OK. Now it is all done. So, why are they shouting now? Sheer political mileage.
Re: Re: Missile Expert into nuclwear domain
by gaius octavian on Nov 07, 2011 10:21 PM
why is every oen such an idiot a nuclear reactor and a nuclear bomb is different there only common thing is the reaction.there will be no explosion , no mushroom cloud.why dont people read up on a subject before they go against it , idiotic sheep
