If India has ambitions to be a world power, remove millions from poverty and fulfill India's full potential, then nuclear power is the way to go. No doubt that. So, if the above aspirations doesn't matter then you don't need nuclear power. India can remain as it is now or worse. For anything in this world to function, it requries energy. Whether it is a living being or a electric system. A huge country like India requires a lot of energy. The cheap availabilty of the energy catapults growth. The correlation of number of power plants(nuclear reactors) to standing in the world scene is very high. So, India definitely needs lot of energy.
India's has 2 choices - 1. Uranium and 2. Thorium based. India doesn't have plenty of uranium fuel and is dependant on foreign countries. Hence the US deal to open the markets and gain access to technology. This also gives the big toy (nuclear bomb), providing deterrant security from invasion. India holds the largest deposits of Thorium and is a much more better efficient and cleaner power source than Uranium. Less radiation, less harmful byproducts and much more safer as well. No bomb can be made from it. And India is number one leading researcher in it. Western countries were interested in nuclear bombs so they built lot of uranium plants. Now, to get a thorium based nuclear reactor built and running takes more research and time. India needs a tried and test nuclear reactor to meet India's short term needs. Hence the deals.
Nuclear reactors are worst way to generate electricity. Problems are:
1. High installation cost. 2. Requires constant supply of "extremely expensive" radio active elements. 3. Very expensive to manage radioactive waste. 4. Very risky to manage radioactive waste. 5. Any problem at one part in a reactor very quickly creates problem in other parts leaving less possibility of repair. 6. Any accident in a reactor is very likely to create radioactive cloud and this cloud can kill millions of people across states.
This space is too little to describe all other problems.
When the whole world has already taken decision decades ago to phase out all nuclear reactors, India is spending billions of dollars for new installations. Check bigpeace `dot' com/pmaffitt/2010/12/12/india-nuclear-power-development/
It is impossible that people approving these deals are unaware of the huge problems of reactors. So, how much bribe money is involved in these deals? Who are those people ready to compromise the safety of Indians for bribe?
Hope concerned organizations take steps immediately to uncover those greedy people and put them behind bars for life.
India should focus in Solar, Wind, Hydro other types of power generation. But before that, make it mandatory for all houses (with a standard income) to install solar water heaters. This alone will reduce the usage of Giga watts of electricity.
Re: STOP INSTALLATION OF ANY NEW NUCLEAR REACTOR IN INDIA
by prashantNagvekar on Mar 17, 2011 02:59 PM
Is solar energy or wind energy cheap ? Tell me what you know about economics about energy.
Solar energy is very very very costly to the environment. The panels require so much iron ore and the residues can not be disposed just like that.
idiots like you cite some obscure reports of nuclear waste and cite the 'WHOLE WORLD is moving ahead'. But you will come back and behave like an idiotic psuedo patriot when an article praising the west appears.
Whats the wattage cost of wind energy vis-a-vis nuclear energy ? Both are developed in the west. So the knowledge you and I have are from the same books they wrote.
Re: STOP INSTALLATION OF ANY NEW NUCLEAR REACTOR IN INDIA
by prashantNagvekar on Mar 17, 2011 02:59 PM
Is solar energy or wind energy cheap ? Tell me what you know about economics about energy.
Solar energy is very very very costly to the environment. The panels require so much iron ore and the residues can not be disposed just like that.
idiots like you cite some obscure reports of nuclear waste and cite the 'WHOLE WORLD is moving ahead'. But you will come back and behave like an idiotic psuedo patriot when an article praising the west appears.
Whats the wattage cost of wind energy vis-a-vis nuclear energy ? Both are developed in the west. So the knowledge you and I have are from the same books they wrote.
Re: STOP INSTALLATION OF ANY NEW NUCLEAR REACTOR IN INDIA
by prashantNagvekar on Mar 17, 2011 03:01 PM
Is solar energy or wind energy cheap ? Tell me what you know about economics about energy.
Solar energy is very very very costly to the environment. The panels require so much iron ore and the residues can not be disposed just like that.
idiots like you cite some obscure reports of nuclear waste and cite the 'WHOLE WORLD is moving ahead'. But you will come back and behave like an idiotic psuedo patriot when an article praising the west appears.
Whats the wattage cost of wind energy vis-a-vis nuclear energy ? Both are developed in the west. So the knowledge you and I have are from the same books they wrote. .
Re: STOP INSTALLATION OF ANY NEW NUCLEAR REACTOR IN INDIA
by prashantNagvekar on Mar 17, 2011 03:03 PM
Is solar energy or wind energy cheap ? Tell me what you know about economics about energy.
Solar energy is very very very costly to the environment. The panels require so much iron ore and the residues can not be disposed just like that.
idiots like you cite some obscure reports of nuclear waste and cite the 'WHOLE WORLD is moving ahead'. But you will come back and behave like an idiotic psuedo patriot when an article praising the west appears.
Whats the wattage cost of wind energy vis-a-vis nuclear energy ? Both are developed in the west. So the knowledge you and I have are from the same books they wrote.
Re: STOP INSTALLATION OF ANY NEW NUCLEAR REACTOR IN INDIA
by patriot on Mar 17, 2011 03:10 PM
true, we will never learn to form queues even in peace.. best example of chaos can b seen in metro rails, u noe u'll get the nxt in 2 min, still no patience ,only push & pull.. god forbid if a calamity strikes india, the death toll by stampede will b higher than by earthquake ..
Re: STOP INSTALLATION OF ANY NEW NUCLEAR REACTOR IN INDIA
by patriot on Mar 17, 2011 03:12 PM
we will never learn to form queues even in peace.. best example of chaos can b seen in metro rails, u noe u'll get the nxt in 2 min, still no patience ,only push & pull.. god forbid if a calamity strikes india, the death toll by stampede will b higher than by earthquake ..
Re: STOP INSTALLATION OF ANY NEW NUCLEAR REACTOR IN INDIA
by Maximum on Mar 17, 2011 03:24 PM
How you have handled tsuanmi in south How you have handled latur earhquaqe How you have handled mumbai diluge
if nuclear tragedy happnes not only millions will die but will play havoc for future generations as well
Re: STOP INSTALLATION OF ANY NEW NUCLEAR REACTOR IN INDIA
by Maximum on Mar 17, 2011 03:25 PM
How you have handled tsuanmi in south How you have handled latur earhquaqe How you have handled mumbai diluge
if nuclear tragedy happnes not only millions will die but will play havoc for future generations as well
Re: STOP INSTALLATION OF ANY NEW NUCLEAR REACTOR IN INDIA
by Jaganath Bharat on Mar 17, 2011 03:26 PM
New reactors are the best choice. No doubt they require special safety features, but they're worth it. Reactors can be built in ships, underwater and on islands. All the other methods (solar, wind, hydro) are also welcome, although they don't have even half the efficiency as nuclear.
Re: STOP INSTALLATION OF ANY NEW NUCLEAR REACTOR IN INDIA
by Ekalavyan Acharyan on Mar 17, 2011 03:34 PM
Use thorium as nuclear fuel. It is much safer and much more cleaner than Uranium. India needs lots of energy and nuclear is the best and cheap option which can provide more than enough energy for a long time. What we need is cool and calm head to think, plan and safeguard our future. Car accidents kill more people than nuclear, chemical pollution kills even more and damages environment, so the argument that nuclear reactors would be bad to people and envrionment doesn't hold. Everything has got a price. A fire can burn and kill, that doesn't mean people use fire to cook food. Gas is an explosive mixture but many house wives use it every day in their life. This analogy is in a small scale ie. family and nuclear power is a on a larger scale ie. nation wide.
So, plan wisely and we can use it to our benefit and growth. Just like the above analogy of housewife scared of a gas cooker using wood, India can be scared to use it and carry on living as it is now.
Re: STOP INSTALLATION OF ANY NEW NUCLEAR REACTOR IN INDIA
by Ekalavyan Acharyan on Mar 17, 2011 03:35 PM
Use thorium as nuclear fuel. It is much safer and much more cleaner than Uranium. India needs lots of energy and nuclear is the best and cheap option which can provide more than enough energy for a long time. What we need is cool and calm head to think, plan and safeguard our future. Car accidents kill more people than nuclear, chemical pollution kills even more and damages environment, so the argument that nuclear reactors would be bad to people and envrionment doesn't hold. Everything has got a price. A fire can burn and kill, that doesn't mean people use fire to cook food. Gas is an explosive mixture but many house wives use it every day in their life. This analogy is in a small scale ie. family and nuclear power is a on a larger scale ie. nation wide.
So, plan wisely and we can use it to our benefit and growth. Just like the above analogy of housewife scared of a gas cooker using wood, India can be scared to use it and carry on living as it is now.
Re: STOP INSTALLATION OF ANY NEW NUCLEAR REACTOR IN INDIA
by Ekalavyan Acharyan on Mar 17, 2011 03:37 PM
Use thorium as nuclear fuel. It is much safer and much more cleaner than Uranium. India needs lots of energy and nuclear is the best and cheap option which can provide more than enough energy for a long time. What we need is cool and calm head to think, plan and safeguard our future. Car accidents kill more people than nuclear, chemical pollution kills even more and damages environment, so the argument that nuclear reactors would be bad to people and envrionment doesn't hold. Everything has got a price. A fire can burn and kill, that doesn't mean people use fire to cook food. Gas is an explosive mixture but many house wives use it every day in their life. This analogy is in a small scale ie. family and nuclear power is a on a larger scale ie. nation wide.
So, plan wisely and we can use it to our benefit and growth. Just like the above analogy of housewife scared of a gas cooker using wood, India can be scared to use it and carry on living as it is now.
Re: STOP INSTALLATION OF ANY NEW NUCLEAR REACTOR IN INDIA
by Nida Condomwalla on Mar 17, 2011 03:41 PM
I presume Solar & wind energy is economical.... And Dams can be build quite easily I guess.... Don't through out the baby with the water....
Re: STOP INSTALLATION OF ANY NEW NUCLEAR REACTOR IN INDIA
by Nida Condomwalla on Mar 17, 2011 03:42 PM
I presume Solar & wind energy is economical.... And Dams can be build quite easily I guess.... Don't through out the baby with the water....
Re: STOP INSTALLATION OF ANY NEW NUCLEAR REACTOR IN INDIA
by swapnil patil on Mar 17, 2011 04:25 PM
1. More people die of car accidents than in Nuclear disasters every year.
Shouldnt India be banning cars by that logic??????
There is one thing definitely worse than Nuclear electricity, it is NO electricity.
I think if India started charging Rs 20 per unit of electricity and Rs200 per litre of petrol and diesel we would all reduce consumption. No nuclear plants needed at all...
Dont throw the baby out with the bathwater. If more safety precautions need to be taken. Well they need to be taken but nonpractical suggestions are stupid
This article shows Japan had shortcomings, which are not likely to happen in India. For one, the press in India has unique and extreme freedom, and the type of secrecy that leads to disaster and denial in certain East-Asian countries simply cannot occur in India. Additionally Indian designs are always taking into account extreme weather conditions. Where the rest of the world failed, India can do better. No need to compare with Japan, USA or France. This accident will only encourage engineers to seek even higher safety standards and healthy redundancy.
Re: not convinced
by ekvira gupte on Mar 17, 2011 02:33 PM
Japan is 1000 times ahead of India till than they are washed out. There is no comparison of India with Japan or China as we are only ahead 1000 times in corruption ,looting own countrymen forget who thinks about the security. Better say no to disaster.
Re: Re: not convinced
by Jaganath Bharat on Mar 17, 2011 03:15 PM
It is sycophants like you that categorically speak anti-Indian and praise anything foreign that cause disaster in India.
Re: not convinced
by ekvira gupte on Mar 17, 2011 02:32 PM
Japan is 1000 times ahead of India till then they are washed out. There is no comparison of India with Japan or China as we are only ahead 1000 times in corruption ,looting own countrymen forget who thinks about the security. Better say no to disaster.
Re: Re: not convinced
by Jaganath Bharat on Mar 17, 2011 03:18 PM
North, South, East, West, centre, island, mountain, desert?! I'm talking about entire India and the world, not a small area of it. Background is irrelevant. Everyone has a right to speak on global issues.
Re: not convinced
by The Democracy on Mar 17, 2011 02:47 PM
Either you have no clue about nuclear reactors or you are one of those involved in taking bribe to approve the nuclear reactors in India.
Press is doing right work by making common people aware of the facts which will be kept hidden otherwise by ministers, business houses and corrupted officers. So, don't blame press in India.
If you think India is ahead of Japan and US to avoid accidents in nuclear reactors, then you are not at all knowledgeable enough to comment here.
Re: Re: not convinced
by Jaganath Bharat on Mar 17, 2011 03:19 PM
Take your own advice. There are plenty reports in the press in favor of Indian nuclear energy too. There is a healthy balance, and I'm very happy with the freedom of press.
Re: Re: not convinced
by N.sivaprasad on Mar 17, 2011 05:16 PM
Nuclear reactor are safe in India, This will come to light after the current safety auditing of the reactors is done. One that happened in Japan will not happen in India as in India all the possible environmental and natural calamity factors are considered in site selection for reactor is factored in the design depending on the site. They keep at least 400 km away from any seismic active area. The sites are monitored before and after the installation of the reactors. The modern reactors are having many improved safety devices In addition the Japan incidence will through more light and gives us an opportunity to learn more on safety. During flood in Mumbai many people are died due to electric shock because of damaged electricity carrying live wires in the flood water Did we stop the use of electricity. very frequently gas cylinder blasts are happening in India and people have died. Did we stop using the gas for coking . In fact we store such an item in very house The high intensity earthquake followed with immediate tsunami is very rare event for any of the reactor sites in India. We should not underestimate the usefulness of the Nuclear energy and application of radiation
Wrong Question..becasue anything can happen in india..even without Knowledge of Indian atomic scientist..even they dn't know about Precation measure...SO POOR INDIA....POOR PEOPLE...POOR LAW....RICH POLITICIAN.....
Nuclear plants are inherently unsafe as they use the same nuclear reaction used in nuclear weapons. The only difference is that the reaction is controlled with rods, and other systems. When the control system fails this can lead to a nuclear disaster. And you dont need an earthquake to make that happen. It can happen becaouse of plenty of other reasons. The Indian nuclear establishment is trying to pass off Jaitapur citing freakish earthquake in Japan. But this is a shameful attempt to mislead the people.
See, all the technological advancement of Japan and sophistication , was wiped out in HALF HOUR flat. Its just gone.
Dont spend life chasing crores or rupees and so called 'PROPERTY' - 1 BHK, 2 BHK and all. Its not worth. We have one life. Live every day as it comes and believe in God and goodness.
Stay away from Mumbai , Chennai and Kolkata or any other coastal cities. They are not worth investing your life's earnings and then pray God.
Nuclear power plants are engineering marvels and to run it successfully need a lot of knowledge, skill and to a great extent good luck. Good luck in the sense luck from natural calamities, attack by enemy forces etc. India is very good in the first part and rest is in the hands of God and hence it is better to look for alternates like wind energy, energy from waves etc.
In Japan the system built on secrecy and isolation clamped down even harder. Fukushima had a host of control systems built in, designed to withstand the harshest of shocks, including a major earthquake. Friday’s earthquake, however, coupled with the subsequent tsunami, did manage to wipe many of those controls out, and now scientists are scrambling to control the cooling and release the pressure building up inside. Imagine the condition of India with its every sector paralysed by corruption. The people in Japan are told to take Iodine tablets and remain in house. Can our Indian govt will be efficient to provide iodine tables in such crisis for its citizen, forget the nuclear system built with corruption can be controlled at any leakage. Jaitapur nuclear project should be opposed completely and should not be allowed to install. Another factor Congress ruling states are facing threats of terror outfits such as simi at ease in association of ISI.
Re: INDIA
by GR Patel on Mar 17, 2011 03:17 PM
1) Do not assume that Indian system is not secret. Politicians do not design the controls and safety requirements. 2)Indian people have more immunity than the Japanese and they do not need to take tablets -:-) 3) Political issues are in all countries!!
