RE:@ JGN
by aditi sengupta on Apr 16, 2008 12:50 PM
why should a man on the crross be any less mortal than a belief that other religions have? I have seen you on this board abusing the ram setu and now you seem to be worried since you are getting as good as you preach? Nobody has to do any name calling for other gods but respect the sentiments of other faiths. DO NOT QUESTION why the ram setu is important, if you dont want anyone to question why a man on the crross should be talked about in any lighter vein!!
RE:@ JGN
by Bond on Apr 16, 2008 12:50 PM
Dont worrry crazy funky christians are broad minded and educated,they dont indulge themselves in dirty politics.
RE:RE:@ JGN
by JGN on Apr 16, 2008 12:56 PM
Bond, see the messages of your co-religionists. I had only asked them that question after reading the abusive messages posted by them.
And crazy, pl do not post abusive messages if you do not like to get it in the same coin.
RE:@ JGN
by JGN on Apr 16, 2008 12:49 PM
I do not care for any god. You can do whatever you want. That will only show your culture. When every religion is a bundle of lies and superstitions, one calling the other inferior is like pot calling kettle black. And also I do not have prove my atheism to the religious fanatics. You people can fight among yourself.
RE:@ JGN
by JGN on Apr 16, 2008 12:54 PM
You have problems when we question the beliefs of muslims and christians but do not have any problem in abusing our native culture. Make no mistake, people like me have knowledge about many religions and can effectively ridicule your beleifs also. If you do not like that, pl stopabusing our native culture also. I am not fond of religions but I do not like the followers of semitic religions abusing our native culture and way of life which are much better than your belifs.
Kushan emperor Kanishka had an engraving of the wind-god Hanuman on his regime's seal. Emperor Akbar had also similarly depicted Ram-Sita on one of his golden guineas. Scenes from Ramayana have been sketched in the Safdarjang Madarsa of Delhi. Central India's Dhar and Ratlam principalities had engraved Hanuman on their seals. Brass guineas introduced by the Sant regime also had the etchings of Ram and his three brothers, as well as Sita and Hanuman.
The biggest travesty of facts is that even after so many literary and archaeological evidence, Lord Ram is not universally accepted as a historical personality.
The time of Ram
According to ancient Indian chronology and Puranic tradition Ram was born in the 24th Treta Yuga (Great Age). Apart from the Valmiki Ramayana and other versions of Ram's biography, there are four important references to Ram, Ravan, etc in ancient scriptures.
RE:some more details..
by Krish G on Apr 16, 2008 12:58 PM
Hi, i appreciate ur efforts in digging out facts that can keep others shut.. but some of them outta here jus wanna spark emotional responses and bust-out their stress... Jai Shri ram!
All over the world, not just hundreds but thousands of temples of Ram, Lakshman, Sita, Hanuman [Images], etc are being constructed since time immemorial. The walls of the 9th century Shiv temple Parambanan (Parambhram) of Java and the 11th century Angkorwat Temple of Cambodia are pictorially engraved with the scenes of Ramayana and Mahabharata.
Hundreds of terracotta based on the Ramayana have been found from Sirma, Haat, Nacharkheda of Hisar; Jind, and Santhai (Yamuna Nagar) of Haryana; Koshanbhi (Allahabad), Aahichatra (Bareilly), and Katinghar (Etah) of Uttar Pradesh and Bhadra (Shriganganagar) of Rajasthan. They depict the major events of Ram's exile, mainly Ram, Sita and Lakshman's Panchvati gaman; Maareech Mrugh (golden deer); the dialogue of Tirshira with Khar-Dushan; the execution of 14 demons by Ram; Sita-haran by Ravan; Sughreev sighting Sita throwing down her ornaments from Pushpak (Ravan's plane); Sughreev welcoming Ram to his abode; Sughreev-Bali combat; Ram's assassination of Bali; Hanuman burning Ashok Vatika; Trishira Rakshas's killing; Indrajeet, the son of Ravan, going to war, etc. Some of the terracotta have the verses of Valmiki Ramayana written in the script of pre-Gupta age. They can be seen in the archaeological museum of Gurukul Jhajjar (Haryana). Apart from these, hundreds of terracotta can be seen in different museums of India as well as in the British Museum of London .
RE:some details further.. Jai Shri Ram
by R K Reddy on Apr 16, 2008 12:41 PM
Then you should think that what has caused the decline of this great religion.
RE:some details further.. Jai Shri Ram
by kapil nautiyal on Apr 16, 2008 02:34 PM
True...in fact he was known not just in India...but all over South-east asia and afganistan..even now people in bali islands (there was also a character called bali in ramayana) have a theatrical play on ramayana..so also in Thailand..he was a global emperor like Alexander...however date cannot be said..it could be as far as far as 10,00,000 BC to 5,000 BC....coz powerful natural /unnatural forces could have destroyed the civilization..as in Atlantis...we must therefore think again when we say older civilizations were not advanced..its just that their knowledge was lost due to ice ages n other such phenomenon..there is much more than we know...in time we will realize this
How is Ram Setu important ? Is it because it is mentioned in their ancient scriptures ? If yes then why the forests, animals and rivers of India are disappearing and no one cares. These things are also mentioned in your scriptures. What is there in the Setu that takes precedence over (for e.g.) the ganges. Now the ganges has become a big sewage but you are comfortable with it. The vultures (garuda) have disappeared and you are comfortable with it. Can any hindu explain.
If you make it a environmental issue you might get more supporters than making it a religious issue.
RE:@Gyan Vedi
by kapil nautiyal on Apr 16, 2008 02:40 PM
its importantr because it signifies the values which ram emphasized....and sadly we have forgotten...we know ram as a god...but have forgotten his values...what actually he was...this is kaliyuga...when we fight for a thing...but forget the real reason behind the thing...however i dont want ram setu to be destroyed...coz whatever of ram and his values we know...may also die soon
RE:@Gyan Vedi
by King on Apr 16, 2008 12:44 PM
Mr Readdy ! All u r saying it is beacause of Non hindus (Who does not have strong faith on Hinduism) who do not care and belives to kill forest animal and engagged in pochering and polluting Ganga. Got ?
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:@Gyan Vedi
by King on Apr 16, 2008 12:56 PM
we respect the tiger and vultures as these r connected to our God. Ppl like u need to care for it.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:@Gyan Vedi
by King on Apr 16, 2008 12:58 PM
As Tiger is the Wahan of Maa Durga nad Vulture is of Indra Dev. Then how a hindu killed them ? I think u shuld talk to other religions
RE:@Gyan Vedi
by ramankutty on Apr 24, 2008 02:41 PM
Hindu is not a religion mr.king,it is a different type of culture or a way of life,sorry I do not like to debate with a person who do not know what is hinduism.
RE:@Gyan Vedi
by aditi sengupta on Apr 16, 2008 12:41 PM
I will answer your simple question.
Religion has no sense or logic. Tell me your religion and I will post a similar question based on the nonsense that your religion propagates. Will wait to hear what religion you are from.
Now assuming all religions are based on unfounded logic, here goes. This is not about how the Ram Setu is important any more than why a man on the crooss should be any less mortal than other humans or why a peedophile is worshiped by you know who.
This is about India and its heritage and history. You cannot talk about India if you take away centuries of Hinduiism. Hinduiism is an integral part of Indianism. Compared to the other major religions of the day, hinduism has shown the most flexibility in accomadating and adapting to change.
The alternatives we have is isslam, and I like crores of Indians have no wish to live under shariiat law. The other alternative is christiianity which unfortunately has its roots in the west. The chriistians will always treat you as slaves if they rule you.
So the point that is left is that I want a vibrant India but I dont want chriistianity or isslam to worry me. These religions have had enough civilizational clashes over the last 1000 years and India is not a battleground for them. India is about Hinduiism and we need to make it clear to all other religions that you are welcome but you need to have love for Indiianism. These religions unfortunately have other priorities.
RE:@Gyan Vedi
by ramankutty on Apr 16, 2008 12:47 PM
PLEASE DO NOT UTTER FOOLISHNESS IN THE 21ST CENTURY,RAM DID NOT EXISTS,RAMAYAN IS ONLY A FAKE STORY WRITTEN BY AN INTELLIGENT MAN AND LOTS OF FOOLS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE FIGHTING IN THE NAME OF A FAKE MAN IN A STORY BOOK.WHAT A PITY.THIS IS THE FATE OF OUR COUNTRY.
RE:@Gyan Vedi
by aditi sengupta on Apr 16, 2008 12:52 PM
Sure, if I agree with you here, then you would also have to agree that jesus was an ordinary man with a lot of melodrama and hype created by a cult called the christians to gain power and wealth. Let me stop here coz if i start with the peedophilia of mohd., i can write essays out here.
RE:@Gyan Vedi
by R K Reddy on Apr 16, 2008 12:43 PM
You didnt understand my question. My question is very very simple. What give setu priority over other religious icons. Simple.
No I dont believe in religion. I am a free thinker. So you can abuse my free thinking.
RE:@Gyan Vedi
by aditi sengupta on Apr 16, 2008 12:46 PM
Where did you see abuse in my reply? Or are you parroting only a few words of english that you know???
Setu has priority over other structures because it is in India and Hinduism is the cultural heritage of India. Hindus accepted and allowed other religions to propagate (unlike isslam or christianity in their countries), but it does not mean that you will ride roughshod over the hand that feeds you and gave you shelter.
I understand free thinking and I am one of them but you cannot dissociate thinking from reality. Get real and choose your options. Dont live in a dream world that you can bring forward utopia.
And yes, still waiting to hear what religion you are from. Or has the cat caught your tongue now?
RE:RE:@Gyan Vedi
by R K Reddy on Apr 16, 2008 12:50 PM
I did not say other structures. I said other Icons. Like Ganga. While Ganga is still sewage and no hindu cares suddenly there is love for setu. Why?
I dont believe in religion. I am free thinker. Ever heard about free thinkers ? Guess not. First do a study on that then you will understand that I have already answer the question about religion.
RE:RE:RE:@Gyan Vedi
by aditi sengupta on Apr 16, 2008 12:55 PM
This is a very stupid question. Tomorrow you will ask why a hindu does not worship every single thing that he is supposed to worship. You have to understand that the millions of hindus have varying gods and faiths. Some treat the ganga as holy whereas some treat the ram setu as holy. It is up to these individuals to strive for the protection of such structures and rivers. Bottomline, hindus of this country have every right to protect what they want. They dont need to start protecting everything at the same time. Your question has no logic.
RE:@Gyan Vedi
by Asheesh Sinha on Apr 16, 2008 12:56 PM
about your other questions , I have replied (see down). About Ganga, you know why Ganga is considered scared? Have you heard the old expression, "Ganga sabke paap aur mail dhoti hai" (Ganga cleans everyone off dirt and sin)
RE:RE:@Gyan Vedi
by King on Apr 16, 2008 12:47 PM
without a religion a man is like a animal like u who does not have the sence of culture and role of religion in developmet of human beings
RE:@Gyan Vedi
by Asheesh Sinha on Apr 16, 2008 12:51 PM
people often confuse their attitude between free thinker and down right insulting and ignorant.. You seem a prime example.
Ram Setu is a particular bridge made by Lord Rama in Ramayana. There's no other "object" present in this world that had a significance in the holy scripture of India.. Thats why it has precedence over other "Class of objects". Apart from that - cutting down a forest - illegal Poaching - illegal Dirtying a river by non renewable/degradable waste - illegal and, Breaking/destroying Ram setu - A move by Congress
Anyway, you are a "free thinker" , so you'll pay no heed to this reply and keep on posting that illogical msg on and on.. So best of luck
btw, I am an aethist, but the good thing is I sometimes think logically
From Ganesh to diwali and and throwing of dead bodies in rivers and burnning them is pollution. This people are talking fo Eco system first change all this.
RE:Every hindu festival is destruction of Eco system
by ravi kumar on Apr 16, 2008 12:40 PM
indian government have taken steps against these type of practice...
We (hindus) have got 1280 books to know the foundation or fundamental of Hinduism which includes 4 vedas, 18 Puranas, 18 Upapuranas, 6 vedangas, Gita, Ramayan, Mahabharat, Brahmanas, Aranyakas and hundreds of upanishads. We know all the places even today bit by bit the location of Hastinapur, Gandhar (Afganisthan), Kambuja Desh (Kambodia), Triwistapa (Tibbat) etc etc. Our scientist found Dwaraka from the coast of Gujarat (which was submerged that time) which is not sufficient example written in our ancient history book called Ramayan, Mahabharat and Brahmanas. We know the path way of Rama he traveled during his 14 years of Banawasa. The place Ayodhya is still exist, the river Saryu is still flowing non stop, he travel through Bihar, Orissa, Madhya Pradesh, Andhra, Tamilnadu and Kerala. A place is still exist in Kerala called Shabrimala the same place of Sabri who gave plum to Rama during his way to search Sita. A mountain is still exist in Kerala called Jatayumangalam. These all are not a coincidence the Krushna Janma Bhumi Mathura is still exist, the kurukhetra is still there. How our hindu brother and sisters (including Supreme Court) went this much rude to not to listen any fact figure which Britishers didnt written in history books which they form.
RE:Secularism and We Hindu
by Bharat on Apr 16, 2008 12:39 PM
Continuation - - - - - -
Till 1947 white people destroy our heritage and after August 15, 1947 Congress and Communists taken this responsibility to destroy our heritage shamelessly. Earlier Britishers know the history only after the birth of Jesus Christ and whatever happened before they unaware or dont wanted to believe just put BC. We have a calendar in India starting from Krishna birth date called Krushna Samvat 5103 continuing now.
I am challenging the same judge if he has same guts to deny the birth of Jesus and English calendar presently in use. The genocide to destroy will not last any more 21st Century will be Hindu century as explained by Swami Vivekananda.
RE:Secularism and We Hindu
by Bond on Apr 16, 2008 12:58 PM
Mr.Bharat we should be thankfull to Britishers as they dethroned Mughal dynasty other wise we still would be having mughal rule and studying in madarasa instead of schools,and Britishers brought railways, roads,bridges to india, look at the bridges made by them still in good condition and compare them with ours.See the railway line in Simla you will come to know.
The story of Ram was also written in various other Indian regional languages. There are at least 11 versions of Ramayana in Hindi, eight in Marathi, 25 in Bangla, 12 in Tamil, five in Telugu and six in Oriya. Apart from these, more versions of the Ramayana have been written in Sanskrit, Gujarati, Malayalam, Kannada, Assamese, Urdu, Arabic, Persian, etc. The Hindi Ramcharitmanas authored by Tulsidas has achieved a very prominent place in northern India. More than 400 great poets and saints like Kalidas, Bhas, Bhatti, Praversen, Bhavbhuti, Kshemendra, Rajshekhar, Kumardas, Vishwanath, Somdev, Gunadutt, Narad, Lomesh, Guru Govind Singh, the Samarth Guru Ramdas, Maithili Sharan Gupt, Keshavdas and Saint Tukdoji etc, have written poems, prose and literature on Ram and other characters of the Ramayana.
Even in other countries we can find versions of Ramayana, like the Tibetan Ramayana, Turkistan's Khotani Ramayana, Indonesia's Kakbin Ramayana, Java's Seratram, Sairiram, Ramkeling, Patani Ramkatha; Indo-China's Ramkerti (Ramkirti), Khamer Ramayana; Burma's Ramyagan of Yuto; Thailand's Ramkiyen etc all narrate the story of Ram in a picturesque way. Scholars also believe that Homer's Illiad and the Dionysia of poet Nonus of Rome have surprising similarities with our Ramayana.
In world literature, no other historical person has been narrated with so much devotion on such a grand, magnified and detailed scale by so many poets and authors of varied countries.
From Ganesh to diwali and and throwing of dead bodies in rivers and burnning them is pollution. This people are talking fo Eco system first cahge all this.
RE:Every hindu festival is destruction of Eco system
by ravi kumar on Apr 16, 2008 12:39 PM
indian government have taken steps against these type of practice...
RE:Every hindu festival is destruction of Eco system
by subramani sampath on Apr 16, 2008 12:45 PM
u idiots use to destroy hindu temple and built mosques on them
The most authentic and original source of knowledge about Ram is the Valmiki Ramayana. This noble work of literature credits Valmiki as the earliest poet of the world. The story of Ram did not remain confined to the pages of Valmiki Ramayana, but it also finds a mention in various other scriptures of history and ancient literature. It is talked about in Muni Vyas's Mahabharata at four places -- Ramopakhayan, Aaranyak Parva, Drona Parva and Dashrath Kathanak; in Buddhist literature it finds mention in three Jatak parables, viz, Dashrath Jatak, Anamak Jatak and Dashrath Kathanak; in Jain literature many manuscripts were written on Ram, like Padam Charitra (Prakrit) by Vimal Suri; Padam Puran (Sanskrit) by Ravisen Acharya; Padam Charitra (Apbhransh) and Charitra Puran (Sanskrit) by Swambhu; and Uttar Puran (Sanskrit) by Gunbhadra. As per Jain tradition the original name of Ram was 'Padam'.
The story of Ram was also written in various other Indian regional languages. There are at least 11 versions of Ramayana in Hindi, eight in Marathi, 25 in Bangla, 12 in Tamil, five in Telugu and six in Oriya. Apart from these, more versions of the Ramayana have been written in Sanskrit, Gujarati, Malayalam, Kannada, Assamese, Urdu, Arabic, Persian, etc. The Hindi Ramcharitmanas authored by Tulsidas has achieved a very prominent place in northern India. More than 400 great poets and saints like Kalidas, Bhas, Bhatti, Praversen, Bhavbhuti, Kshemendra, Rajshekhar, Kumardas, Vishwanath, Somdev
