Even in modern times if we want to know the age of any person, we first look for his/her school or college certificates or his horoscope. If someone has no papers or documents to know his age then he is subjected to an ossification medical test. But when the question is of any ancient historical person, why do we ignore the writings and literary evidences and instead search for archeological evidences in buildings, statues, seals and bones found buried in earth?
10. When the foreign Indologists and historians and their blind Indian followers want to search for history in the divine revelation the Vedas, they quote the Rig Veda (10.60.4.4) where there is a mention of Iksvaku, the ancestor of Ram and the founder of Ayodhya. The Atharva Veda mentions Ayodhya as having nine gates. The Atharva Veda (18.3.16) mentions the name of Vishwamitra, Vashista the preceptor of Ram, and Bhardwaj. But when it comes to Ram and Ramayana, they claim it is all mythological and fictitious. Is it not hypocritical?
11. Even today, some of the Asian countries believe in Ram, Ravan, Lakshman, Sita and Hanuman. Sri Lanka believes in the Ramayana and therefore till date has proudly shown the coronation of Vibhishan in its parliament; Ashok Vatika has been converted into a famous tourist attraction and not only that, the Sri Lankan government is still paying pension to the descendents of Ravan. Thailand has a place Ayodhya, and the king there is still called Ram, even though a Buddhist. The most i
Valmiki proudly says to Ram, 'I am the 10th son of Pracheta, and I never remember speaking even one untrue sentence'. How can such a missionary and follower of truth could have written an imaginary story of Ram?
7. Has anyone given a detailed description of generation after generation of a fictitious, imaginary person? Kalidas has described 19 generations of Raghuvansh, Ram's ancestors and descendants, in his book Raghuvansh. Shabdakalpdrum has mentioned the 11 names of Ram's lineage as Bahuk, Sarg, Anshuman, Asamjas, Dilip, Bhagirath, Aja, Dashratha, Ramchandra, Kush and Luv and has mentioned these kings were the world rulers in that era. Even after all this if we don't accept Ram as a historical figure it is beyond the realm of wisdom.
8. Has anyone ever questioned the character of any writer when the hero and writer were contemporary? Rishi Valmiki was a contemporary of Ram and has used the present tense in the Ramayana, not the past and future tense. Then how can we question the historicity of Ram and other characters of the Ramayana?
9. Even in modern times if we want to know the age of any person, we first look for his/her school or college certificates or his horoscope. If someone has no papers or documents to know his age then he is subjected to an ossification medical test. But when the question is of any ancient historical person, why do we ignore the writings and literary evidences and instead search for archeological evidences in buildings, statues, seals
RE:Some details.. Jai Shri Ram!
by King on Apr 16, 2008 01:10 PM
If u accepts the existance of of Kalidas and Valmiki on the behalf of these books then how can u deny Sri Ram;s existance while the Ramsetu is a big proof.
save iot only for other than religious reasonRam sethu can be saved if for the reason beyond religious purpose. India had enough religious conflicts by the forms of mandir, masjids, hindutva etc. Progressive country like India can not afford to have any religious conflicts like this anymore.
RE:Save it for othar than religious reason
by R K Reddy on Apr 16, 2008 12:56 PM
I think these guardians of faith are doing more harm to hinduism than any other people. Had it not been for people like these, hinduism would have been the most followed religion in the world today instead of being confined to just one small part of the world.
RE:Save it for othar than religious reason
by JGN on Apr 16, 2008 01:00 PM
Have you seen the belligerance of the followers of semitic religions? Why only hindus have to compromise? The Holy quran says that "the muslims should not even friends from the non-believers" and ask the followers to kill the "kafirs" where ever they are found.
RE:Save it for othar than religious reason
by aditi sengupta on Apr 16, 2008 12:57 PM
Give me some logic. You seem to make outlandish statements without any logic. Free thinking, ok yes but logic and sense .... ZERO. Dangerous combi as can be seen by your posts.
RE:Save it for othar than religious reason
by R K Reddy on Apr 16, 2008 01:01 PM
do you have anything other than personal abuse ? You are yet to answer simple questions. :-) Is it not true that hinduism was the only religion in this entire region. But if you see today it has not only lost geographically but in even in terms of numbers it has been reduced to a minority in this region. It is because people common people feel disconnected with issues like these that do not focus on their daily lives.
RE:RE:Save it for othar than religious reason
by aditi sengupta on Apr 16, 2008 01:05 PM
Give me a break. Actually just goes to show how predatory issslam and chrixxxity are. Hinduism is the most accomadating of all religions and I have answered all your questions, if you care to check the previous posts. There is no abuse anywhere, I am just asking for proof because you have made like so many statements without any logic. You can keep shouting on this message board but you need to understand that for every statement you make, YOU need to give proof and logic. You are conveniently making ludicrous statements and asking others to prove it is false. This is what causes bad blood. I can start as well making all stupid statements like you have been and placing the onus on you to prove it is wrong.
You need to realize that as an educated man (if you are), you need to back your statements. Not the other way around. If you dont do that, you will get what you are getting right now in terms of abuse.
RE:RE:Save it for othar than religious reason
by King on Apr 16, 2008 01:04 PM
you idiot who r asking the question after question. Come on debate with me . You r just idiot nothing else
RE:Save it for othar than religious reason
by aditi sengupta on Apr 16, 2008 01:02 PM
I pray for such english to be bestowed upon you and whoever you are supporting. When I ask for one shred of logic, you can babble all you like about english or lack of it. Shouting and babbling does not change the truth. When you make a statement, follow it up with proof and logic. No need to show how educated you are by babbling away.
RE:WE INDIANS DO NOT ACCEPT RAM AS GOD
by R K Reddy on Apr 16, 2008 12:54 PM
Why are you including all indians ? India is democractic country everybody has the right to think as they like.
Valmiki knew Ram to be a human, a noble man, the best of his era and in his time wrote Ramayana as both were contemporary. He has also shown Ram to possess human traits and emotions, just like any ordinary person. We, in our blind faith, have accentuated the question marks on the historicity of Ram and Ramayana by treating Ramayana like a fable and depicting its noble characters as birds and animals.
Our foolish beliefs did not end here. We spin strange new stories which ultimately maligned the noble character of Ram. Ram never disowned Sita or exiled her to the forest in a pregnant state. Valmiki never wrote this. We got the Seer Shambook executed by Ram, calling him a shudra. Valmiki never mentioned this. No intellectual scholar or tapasvi could be a shudra, at least in Vedic times. But through interpolations and additions in the modern day Ramayana we have made Maryada Purshottam Ram into a person inflicting injuries and harassment on women and low-borns. Valmiki's Ram was the bravest among the brave, the noblest among the noble.
The foreign scholars and their Indian followers who have spread the mythological canard that Ram and Ramayana are historically untrue, figments of imagination and only a fable are no more responsible than some of our Indian poets and writers. The preachers and exponents of Ram Katha and the directors and actors of Ramlila have inadvertently and ignorantly further contributed to the doubts about the genuineness of Ram. Devoid of true faith and unaware of the true glory of God, we have turned Ram into God and God-incarnate.
Like the fables of Panchtantra we have metamorphosed the erudite scholar of Vedas and a guru of grammar, Hanuman, into an ape; the architect of Ram Setu, Jambavan, into a bear; the famous doctor-surgeon Sushen and his colleagues Angad, Bali, etc into monkeys; the brave Jatayu who was the former king of Gridhkoot who fought Ravan in the sky after the abduction of Sita, into a vulture. The most shocking belief is that the most beautiful scholar lady Tara was married to the monkey Bali. Sita was believed to be born of the earth and ultimately returned to Mother Earth. Our imagination knew no bounds.
Valmiki knew Ram to be a human, a noble man, the best of his era and in his time wrote Ramayana as both were contemporary. He has also shown Ram to possess human traits and emotions, just like any ordinary person. We, in our blind faith, have accentuated the question marks on the historicity of Ram and Ramayana by treating Ramayana like a fable and depicting
The scientific interpretation of the photographs of the remains of Adam's Bridge (Ram Setu) taken by NASA's [Images] Gemini-11 spacecraft in 2002, reveals that this ancient bridge linking India to Sri Lanka [Images] was manmade, and it was dated to be at least 1.75 million years old. According to Valmiki Ramayana, it is true that Ram and his engineers constructed this bridge for transporting his army into Lanka. If we accept that it was indeed Ram who got this bridge constructed then he lived in the middle years of the 28th Treta, and not in the 24th, and neither in the transition between Treta and Dwapar of the 28th era (Chaturyugi). Even if we accept this, it doesn't alter the calculations based on planetary positions of the constellations. Then the constellations would have completed 66 cycles before coming back to its original position.
It is also not wrong to state that an email message was sent by NASA officials in July 2007 to N K Raghupati, chairman of the Setu Samudram Ship Canal Project, stating therein that the remains of the bridge do not appear to be connected to any human activity. Why NASA differed from its original stand is unknown. Even if Adam's Bridge is a natural geological formation, it could have been beautifully used by Ram to construct a temporary bridge for his army to cross over to Sri Lanka. No scientific test has yet been carried out to measure the ascending or descending contours of Adam's Bridge. Moreover, after millions of years since its
RE:some details by our rediff user...
by sony kalloor on Apr 16, 2008 12:54 PM
1.75 Millions years back there was no Human beings ! how did Nasa dind out the bridge was human made !! on scientific grounds
RE:RE:Every hindu festival is destruction of Eco system
by kapil nautiyal on Apr 16, 2008 01:04 PM
abdul bhai...this is one statement I agree with...religion should in no way destroy ecosystem...or hurt others sentiments...we should respect this...god doesnt want us to make rivers unclean...similarily we shouldnt coz air pollution by shouting in loudspeakers...jagrans n prayers in mosques...we shouldnt also not try to show off our religions by putting outward things like caps clothes which differentiate us from others...religion is internal more than external..this we should understand
RE:Every hindu festival is destruction of Eco system
by sanjay khetan on Apr 16, 2008 12:50 PM
abdul thanks we hindus are working on it by playing Holi with safe colours, bursting crackers with more light than sound and also working on toxic free statues of Lord Ganesha.
I request you to tell your community not to kill innocent Goats on Bakri Idd (Millions are slaughtered).If my message saves the life of one Goat, I have done my job
In the last few years, some highly motivated computer-literate group of people have designed a software called 'Planetarium Gold Software' which is generally used by scientists to measure the distance and locations of planets from earth and to predict lunar and solar eclipses. The Valmiki Ramayana (Bal Kanda 18.8.9) mentions (the planetary positions vis-%uFFFD-vis zodiac constellations) at the time of Lord Ram's birth as 'the ninth lunar day of the bright fortnight of Chaitra, asterism Punarvasu was in the ascendant and (as many as) five planets (viz, the Sun, Mars [Images], Saturn, Jupiter and Venus) happened to be exalted (appeared in the zodiacal signs of Mesa or Aries, Makara or Capricorn, Tula or Libra, Karka or Cancer, and Mina or Pisces respectively) and Jupiter in conjunction with the Moon appeared in the zodiacal sign of Karka'.
'Ram was 39 years old when he killed Ravana'
The same details were entered in the Planetarium Gold software to determine the important dates in the life of Lord Ram vis-%uFFFD-vis the present planetary positions and zodiac constellations and calculated that Ram was born on January 10, 5114 BC, which means to say 7,122 years ago. While they deserved all appreciation and thanks for this new approach, their ignorance of astronomical calculations and in the absence of any literary proof, their result cannot be relied upon. According to astronomy, the positions of zodiac constellations come back to their original place after a cycle of approximately
RE:some details.. by our rediff user ...
by Palani on Apr 16, 2008 12:54 PM
please enlighten by furnishing answers to the following questions. In which language valmiki has written ramayana? Is the existing ramayan is the original form? if not why it is changed?
What is the time of the the oldest existing copy of valmiki ramayana ?
Ra travelled from ayodya to rameshvaram. are the people talking the same language? is there any mention about that by valmiki? whether ravana also was taliking the same language as rama? Are the srilankans talking the same language? Is there any word about hindu in valmiki ramayana?
RE:some details.. by our rediff user ...
by Palani on Apr 16, 2008 01:06 PM
scientists say that there are two new planets now. what is their position in zodiac?
RE:some details.. by our rediff user ...
by Palani on Apr 16, 2008 01:01 PM
ram was 39 year old when he killed ravan. What was the age of ravan?
Valmiki narrates some events where valmiki was not present, how knew the happenings? who reported the events to him? particularly when hanuman went to sirilanka valmiki did not go. he describes how hanuman gave a picture of his visit to srilanka. How he come to know that? Ravana took sita on a flying charriot. Why he could not use it during the time of war?
