then does it not sink to the same SC that no one woships at babri masjid and it can also be demolished fully?? utter foolishness.. ur parents are old and no use having them? so u kill them?? when the worldovr countries are preserving age old hertigate sites, also manmade and natural structures, why is that we in India are blind to it. May be the governemnt and the courts will do all to preserve the mosques and churches. My god, how many churches have sprung up in Chennai - how is it that they have easy access to the lands? dont anyone question about that??
RE:who worships??
by subramani sampath on Apr 16, 2008 12:51 PM
yes.. I live in chennai. I am really fed up with this. these churches are built exactly opposite to hindu temple. and i am not sure how they are acquiring these lands. in Besant Nagar they were using loudspeakers for christian propaganda.. they were blabbering something like.. blood jesus is coming to chennai.. one of my frnd who s also christian was furious abt this...
That was the conclusion based on the scientific study made BY Geological Survey of India and which was tabled before the High Court of Madras, which declared it man-made ... This study did actual excavations, the ASI report did not do any excavations ... how can that report be accepted ?
The GSI study concluded on the basis of 3 facts .... 1) the sedimented rocks on ram setu are of different origin than the sea-bed rocks 2) the rocks are similar to that part of the coast of rameswaram from where it was said in Valimiki Ramayan that the rocks were brought by Hanuman and his army 3) these Rocks have a more sharp edges, showing that chiselling or some form of human modification was done before putting the rocks there! (in ramayan, its mentioned that Nal & Neel were 2 members of the army who actually worked on these stones before depositing them)
Cant these be accepted as irrefutable proof : geographical evidence matching with said history ! WHAT MORE PROOF RATIONALISTS WANT ?????
Such coherent proof is not found to proof that Muhammed indeed went to Jerusalme flying on a donkey ! Such coherent proof is not found to proof that Saint Jesus Christ is indeed buried at the Church built by Constatntine' mother !
WHY CANT WE CONSIDER THE PROOF THAT GSI PRESENETD TO MADRAS COURT ? IF REQUIRED, GO FOR ANOTHER EXCAVATION AND REPEAT THE PROCEDURE IN FULL PUBLIC GLARE AND SCRUTINY ! SHRI RAM'S HISTORICITY WOULD AGAIN BE RE-AFFIRMED !
MR. JGN always pretent to be an Atheists, but he always protect hinduism, he cannot tolerate facts of hinduism. he always abuse islam only, He is RSS Mula trained in Dheradoon.
RE:JGN
by R K Reddy on Apr 16, 2008 12:35 PM
He is a fake. He has no answer to a simple question that i asked him. he thinks that by abusing xians he can abuse me. He might never have heard about the term free thinker. :-)
Since thousands of years, not just in India but also all over the world, one of the greatest men who influenced and touched the hearts of millions %uFFFD both common men and elite alike -- with his strength of character is Ram. His time was that of great kings and world empires. This was the era when the whole world understood one language and speech, as mentioned in the holy book, the Bible (Genesis 11.1). Then neither was the world divided into Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Jews etc, nor broken up on the basis of modern day caste barriers. Then there were only two divisions in human society %uFFFD Arya and Un-Arya (asurs, rakshas). Those who were not strong of character and men of words were un-arya. All mankind had only one culture.
Literary work
The most authentic and original source of knowledge about Ram is the Valmiki Ramayana. This noble work of literature credits Valmiki as the earliest poet of the world. The story of Ram did not remain confined to the pages of Valmiki Ramayana, but it also finds a mention in various other scriptures of history and ancient literature. It is talked about in Muni Vyas's Mahabharata at four places -- Ramopakhayan, Aaranyak Parva, Drona Parva and Dashrath Kathanak; in Buddhist literature it finds mention in three Jatak parables, viz, Dashrath Jatak, Anamak Jatak and Dashrath Kathanak; in Jain literature many manuscripts were written on Ram, like Padam Charitra (Prakrit) by Vimal Suri; Padam Puran (Sanskrit) by Ravisen Acharya; Padam
Since thousands of years, not just in India but also all over the world, one of the greatest men who influenced and touched the hearts of millions %uFFFD both common men and elite alike -- with his strength of character is Ram. His time was that of great kings and world empires. This was the era when the whole world understood one language and speech, as mentioned in the holy book, the Bible (Genesis 11.1). Then neither was the world divided into Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Jews etc, nor broken up on the basis of modern day caste barriers. Then there were only two divisions in human society %uFFFD Arya and Un-Arya (asurs, rakshas). Those who were not strong of character and men of words were un-arya. All mankind had only one culture.
Literary work
The most authentic and original source of knowledge about Ram is the Valmiki Ramayana. This noble work of literature credits Valmiki as the earliest poet of the world. The story of Ram did not remain confined to the pages of Valmiki Ramayana, but it also finds a mention in various other scriptures of history and ancient literature. It is talked about in Muni Vyas's Mahabharata at four places -- Ramopakhayan, Aaranyak Parva, Drona Parva and Dashrath Kathanak; in Buddhist literature it finds mention in three Jatak parables, viz, Dashrath Jatak, Anamak Jatak and Dashrath Kathanak; in Jain literature many manuscripts were written on Ram, like Padam Charitra (Prakrit) by Vimal Suri; Padam Puran (Sanskrit) by Ravisen Acharya; Padam
Friends, scientifically this project will destroy the entire ecosystem of the rich Gulf of Mannar and Palk strait. This project will cause extensive damage to the rich coral reefs and species like dolphins, sharks, endangered sea turtles and hundreds of indigenous fish species. Man is often too selfish to ignore the fact that this Earth is also a home to innumerable animal and plant species. Its not our sole property.
Corals are essential for bio diversity as they support hundreds of fish species in mutual co-existence. it serves as the feeding ground of several endangered underwater animals. Its our duty to preserve them. Coral reefs reduce sea erosion and thus prevent submersion of coastal plains. It also increases oxygen level in sea which acts as a carbon sink, a big hope to fight global warming.
RE:Destruction of Ecosystem
by sajansajan on Apr 16, 2008 12:33 PM
Thanks for the info but then why did you not oppose Narmada dam project. There are at least 5 reports both by national and international agencies describing how this totally avoidable project destroyed entire eco systems.
Or now you get special affinity to ecosystem becoz you have other reasons to oppose the project?
RE:Destruction of Ecosystem
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 16, 2008 12:37 PM
Mr.Sajansajan, Its my personal point of view and not talking on behalf of BJP or other political parties. I am from TN but still oppose this project due to these scientific reasons. If it would have been the same case in narmada project, I am all for the environmentalists and tribals.
I HAVE BEEN ASKING THIS QUESTION AGAIN AND AGAIN AND ALL THE INTELLIGENT HINDUS SEEM TO BE CONFUSED OR THEY DONT KNOW THE ANSWER AT ALL. PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION POSTED BELOW.
A simple Question to all hindus.
How is Ram Setu important ? Is it because it is mentioned in their ancient scriptures ? If yes then why the forests, animals and rivers of India are disappearing and no one cares. These things are also mentioned in your scriptures. What is there in the Setu that takes precedence over (for e.g.) the ganges. Now the ganges has become a big sewage but you are comfortable with it. The vultures (garuda) have disappeared and you are comfortable with it. Can any hindu explain.
And if you want to abuse me instead of answering me then you can abuse me as much as you like.
RE:?
by bullseye on Apr 16, 2008 12:40 PM
reddygaru,intelligent people object to sscp becouse this is unviable due to lesser draft, narrow passage,less traffic in this region, security risk,recuring cost for dredging every year,maintainence cost like pilotage makes this sscp as white elephant.it will benefit only karuna family and not you/me even ship owners. karuna record is veeranam water project,cooum beautificaion project.they spend huge money with no result but gave good income to karuna co if you are tax payer,you might be contributing money to this wasteful project with no return to people and govt but only to karuna co.
RE:?
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 16, 2008 12:32 PM
Dear Friend,
This project will destroy the entire ecosystem of the rich Gulf of Mannar and Palk strait. This project will cause extensive damage to the rich coral reefs and species like dolphins, sharks, endangered sea turtles and hundreds of indigenous fish species. Man is often too selfish to ignore the fact that this Earth is also a home to innumerable animal and plant species. Its not our sole property.
Corals are essential for bio diversity as they support hundreds of fish species in mutual co-existence. it serves as the feeding ground of several endangered underwater animals. Its our duty to preserve them. Coral reefs reduce sea erosion and thus prevent submersion of coastal plains. It also increases oxygen level in sea which acts as a carbon sink, a big hope to fight global warming.
RE:?
by Pramod upadhyay on Apr 16, 2008 12:52 PM
if we r not able to save ganga , vultures etc atleast we r saving something and well begin is half done . after ramsethu we will follow them. but wat u r doing try and save them instead of hindering others , if u can we will join u later.
RE:?
by Niraj Kumar on Apr 16, 2008 12:29 PM
You are right that hindus don't care for many of the things mentioned by you, however, it doesn't mean that they should also be not caring for Ram Setu. If hindus are coming together to save their heritage, the same collective can be mobilised to take up the other issues.
RE:?
by aditi sengupta on Apr 16, 2008 12:40 PM
I will answer your simple question.
Religion has no sense or logic. Tell me your religion and I will post a similar question based on the nonsense that your religion propagates. Will wait to hear what religion you are from.
Now assuming all religions are based on unfounded logic, here goes. This is not about how the Ram Setu is important any more than why a man on the crooss should be any less mortal than other humans or why a peedophile is worshiped by you know who.
This is about India and its heritage and history. You cannot talk about India if you take away centuries of Hinduiism. Hinduiism is an integral part of Indianism. Compared to the other major religions of the day, hinduism has shown the most flexibility in accomadating and adapting to change.
The alternatives we have is isslam, and I like crores of Indians have no wish to live under shariiat law. The other alternative is christiianity which unfortunately has its roots in the west. The chriistians will always treat you as slaves if they rule you.
So the point that is left is that I want a vibrant India but I dont want chriistianity or isslam to worry me. These religions have had enough civilizational clashes over the last 1000 years and India is not a battleground for them. India is about Hinduiism and we need to make it clear to all other religions that you are welcome but you need to have love for Indiianism. These religions unfortunately have other priorities.
RE:ONLY HINDUSM IS REAL MUSLIMS CHRISTIANS SURDS JAINS ARE ALL KAKE
by reo on Apr 16, 2008 12:25 PM
@ hey stop going behind other s u crazy f..ker first u give an answer its simple which one is better and then start going at others.
RE:ONLY HINDUSM IS REAL MUSLIMS CHRISTIANS SURDS JAINS ARE ALL KAKE
by reo on Apr 16, 2008 12:28 PM
i consider u choice of treatment from unani medicine but first reply my question , my frustration is because u are unable to answer my question
