an obnoxious illiterate supposedly atheist madman who advocated the economic and social destruction of brahmins is now revered today and worshipped in temples. Guess this happens only in India.
RE:Periyar
by Varun Vashista GM Swamy on May 03, 2007 10:41 AM
Mr. Padmanabh... Hindu = dosent mean only brahmins... atheist dosent mean madman and stop saying obnoxious illiterate... as though you are the only scholar in India...
RE:Father Periyar
by Mathivanan on May 03, 2007 08:29 AM
You guys dont get the big picture,do you?
As always,we indians stick to the person more than the principles!Periyar lived in an era,where faith & worship of GOD was the only way to go.Indian socities have not much heard of "atheism" ,leave alone put them to practice.Besides,Periyar arrived at "atheism" only when he started questioning,untouchability,casteism etc.To prove a point that GOD is more a concept than reality,Periyar put into practise "chappal garlanding".It made the common man on the street to sit back and think.
As for Periyar followers who have gone astray,well they had difference of opinion/principles and hence they parted ways even during his life-time.
Periyar gave a life-line for the middle-class and downtrodden tamils.No 2 ways about it.
RE:RE:Father Periyar
by greatrr on May 05, 2007 03:34 AM
A person looking at sand can say this is useless sand. But if you work upon it - you can make glass out of it. Periyar's logic is the same. He shut his eyes and claimed there is no God.. doesnt really mean god is non existent.
Another example - if all common men want to meet prime minister, it simply wont happen. Reason is the PM is a very busy person & has lots of other important work. You cant meet him easily. Same it is to see god.. you have to struggle hard & elevate yourself. For cases like so called "Periyar" its hopeless - perhaps he may be reborn as a brahmin kid :)
RE:Father Periyar
by Sriram Vanamamalai on May 03, 2007 08:53 AM
Well you dont get it do you? If you believe something then garlanding chappals is the way to go to prove your point. I dont agree with you does that mean I can garland you with chappals would you agree for that? That was a foolish way to prove your point my friend. he is a hypocrite because he did not go after superstitions in other religions because he did not have the guts.
RE:Father Periyar
by Gajanan Mohite on May 03, 2007 09:09 AM
Compare any ones in TN to Kamaraj in terms of performance . They all come to a nought. My Tamil friends inform me that Kamaraj gave the best performance in TN. He never hurt any community , did not go on false reformist agenda , but he opened schools and made girls school education free ( This also my Tamil friends inform me, Even the miday meal idea was Kamaraj's idea, which was extended by MGR.) When I hear so much about Kamaraj's achievements for Tamil Nadu , why not anoint Kamaraj as the greatest.
RE:RE:Father Periyar
by Xavier on May 03, 2007 01:40 PM
Gajanan... Periyar was a social reformer not a chief minister to deliver to the people with power. What u said about Kamaraj is correct. He was a great leader, but his followers dont follow his principles, but his caste. Kamraj was a Nadar, now there is a caste party growing in his name (Which even Kamraj would not want...).
Moreover this is not about who is greatest Kamraj or Periyar. They share their fair part of roles in social upliftment.
And Sriram As for ur "garlanding chappals is the way to go to prove your point". True its not the way to show... But when we struggle to prove our point to one HRD educated minister Arjun Singh or even others supporting that reservation based on caste is not fair, how cud u possible explain a society having only 5 senses. 5 senses??? yes, they knew nothing apart from their work & didnt want to know. It was like throwing pearls at swans. They didnt know the value of their life, what rights they had... And they firmly belived their pathetic birth was their karma. Just lived with whatever imposed on them. Periyar was man who kicked the 6th sense in them. By garlanding the gods & goddess he tried to wake them up from their slumber of slavery & ignorance. Wanted to tell them "Look no God punished me...there is no God...Go live ur life..." Periyar wanted to remove the practice of Casteism from Hinduism. If Periyar were today, he would be fighting for the brahmins and all FC's against inequality.
RE:RE:RE:Father Periyar
by shekar on May 04, 2007 10:32 PM
xavier, that is true maywati as follower of babasheb and kanshiram is about to give power to brahmins as brahmins are out of power since 1990 in up.what a coincidence.
RE:Father Periyar
by Suresh Menon on May 03, 2007 09:44 AM
Gajanan Mohite, with all his talk of the greatness of Sanathan Dharma, shows his lack of respect when he addresses people (Mata Amritanandamayi is 'Ammachi')
RE:RE:Father Periyar
by Gajanan Mohite on May 03, 2007 01:00 PM
Apologies for this mistake. Only Amma Mr Menon. in Mumbai a Malayalee with whom I had gone to see her in a pandal , used the word Ammachi. I will inform him if it wrong to address this way.
RE:Father Periyar
by digital on May 03, 2007 07:02 AM
Can you tell one good thing that the brahmins have given to humanity. Just one good thing ? its not a hard question...just one good thing...
RE:RE:Father Periyar
by Beech Boy on May 03, 2007 07:45 AM
Dude, everything good that you see around in India is because of Brahmins. After reservation, look at the state of all the governement offices in India. People who would not have got a job by a far shot are now sitting in important places creating havoc in the administration of this country.
RE:Father Periyar
by Sriram Vanamamalai on May 03, 2007 08:00 AM
There is one more good thing we brahmins dont create out casts and lunatics like this Digital guy.
RE:RE:Father Periyar
by Asirvatham Benny on May 03, 2007 07:52 AM
The good thing is that they instigate religious fightings between caste hindus versus minorities and they sit safely in government offices and agraharams.
Periyar. Periyar was not having any faith in god/goddesses like so many great men /social reformers who really thought for the uplift of the people like BUDDHA-KABIR-PHULLEY, NARAYAN GURU,HARUCHAND-GURUCHAND OF BENGAL,VIVEKANANDA, DR BABASAHEB AMBEDKAR AND MANYABAR KANSHIRAM. ALL OF THEM WERE RATIONAL PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT FOR THE REOPLE NOT FOR THE GOD. BRAHMINS CREATED GOD FOR THEIR OWN BENIFIT NOT FOR ANY OTHER PEOPLE. GOD IS NOT CREATING MAN IT IS MAN WOMAN -> CREATES CHILD -> MAN/WOMAN. SO GOD IS A CONCEPT. BUT NATURE IS ABOVE ALL. OUT VARNASHRAM LET DISCUSS ASHRAM WHICH IS 4 PHASES OF LIFE OF A HUMAN BEING. IN THIS PART OF SYSTEM LIFE OF HUMAN IS CONSIDERED 100 YEARS AND 1ST 25 YRS IS FOR EDUCATION(BRAMACHARYA), 2ND 25YRS IS GARHSTHYA(=SEXUAL LIFE WITH OWN WIFE WITH HEALTHY BODY-MIND-SPIRIT AND OF COURSE MUTUAL CONSENT) TO CREATE CHILDREN AND TO BRING THEM UP. 3RD 25 YRS VANPRASTHA ( AWAY FROM SEX), FATHER EXPLAINS HIS EXPERIENCE HANDOVER THE CHARGE OF WORLDY AFFAIRS. 4TH 25YRS= SANNYAS(AN INDIVIDUAL BE ON FOUNDATION OF TRUTH). HE SEES ALL THE PEOPLE EQUALLY, ACQUIRES THE SAMMYAK DRISHTI. AND THUS HE LIVES IN PEACE WORKING FOR THE PEOPLE TILL THE LAST BREATH. BEING IN ASTRAION I USE FOUR COLOR FOR FOR SECTIONS WHICH HELP ME IN MY ADMINSTRATION WHEN THE FILE IS SARRIED TO ME . CASTEISM HAS BEEN CREATED BY THE BRAMMIN FOR THEIR OWN BENIFIT RESULTING MORE THAN 6000 CASTES IN INDIA. AND TO VER COME VARNA PART OF THE SYSTEM GREAT MAN HAS TO COME THE SYSTEM WILL MKE THEM GREAT AND IT IS NOT GOD IN ANY WAY. THANKS.
RE:varnashram=varna ashram vis-a-vis Periyar
by shekar on May 03, 2007 06:00 AM
u certainly seem to me that u come from cadre based party ,either u r from uttarpradesh or from maharastra and what u brought is informative and hope so u do ur work wholeheartdly without fear but my advice to u is to make ur life also very stable and also on firm economical background so that u become model to all people surrounding u and also to the society and to your party.jai bhim.
RE:varnashram=varna ashram vis-a-vis Periyar
by Laxmikiran K on May 03, 2007 07:31 PM
Dinesh Mallick, I could not undestand half the stuff you typed because of your incoherent speech. With such disjointed thinking you want to be able to spread your message and expect people to follow. What a joke. Also, Narayan Guru was a firm believer in God, so what you are saying is crap.
Periyar means "greatman"; Millions of brahmin families benefitted, because he was instrumental in stopping "rajaji's kulakalvi thittam". If that scheme was pursued the bramin community would not be migrated to all Indian cities and foreign. They will still be chanting vedas in Temples,Poojas, srerthas and some would have not seen any places than thier tiny village.
Periyar is revolutionist who brought social reformation without any violance ( like gandhi's ahimsa ). It is because of Periyar and periyarism tamilnadu is tody; otherwise tamilnadu would be another tamil eelem or a Bihar.
So Tambrahms, praise periyar for all that he has given; for uplifting your livelyhood.
Why is it whenever you people want to give examples of something bad, you casually mention Bihar?!!
Can't you think of any other place? Do some research on Bihar. You will find that it is like any average state in India.
It is the media that has unnecessarily maligned it. What happens in Bihar, happens in other states too!! The difference is that the media makes a freak show out of it!!
RE:
by Mathivanan on May 03, 2007 08:37 AM
Kudos Gomathi!You put it perspective perfectly.
Periyar is more than a revolutionist,he is a rare phenomenon.There is no great wonder in the highly educated well travelled folks coming up solutions & findings to solve humanities problem.
But Periyar,even though he was not highly educated,took on the society which was deeply rooted in superstitions,mythology etc.In the process he broke the myths prevalent in Hinduism,brahminism...too bad for them!But Brahmins are very much alive and kicking in TN,so no worries....
Greatrr Go get a life.If you choose,you can get married to a teenager,by all means,no stopping.Come up with valid arguments & statements
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by greatrr on May 03, 2007 12:00 PM
Thanks I have a life already buddy!! I choose wise & am not a pervert like your Periyar. He was just a high profile thug to me. Nothing more! wearing a black shirt and calling him a reformist doesnt mean a damn thing. You dont have to unleash violence to correc the society. If you ask for leaders - gandhi was, he had the support of thousands and lived like mahatma.
RE:
by greatrr on May 03, 2007 12:09 PM
BTW just curious - if periyar wanted to reason brahmin practices alone - why not question muslims and christians?? for eg., christians wear a cross - he didnt question that, rather questioned only brahmins wearing a thread?? he went a step beyond by sending his men and many areas in and around tanjore saw people cutting these threads and ransacking poor tamil brahmin homes. Anyone who goes with violence is a thug to me. Your so called "periyar" didnt dare to ask muslims as to why they grow a beard.. everybody has a faith - and he didnt dare to ask that community coz he knew thats the end of him. He rather chose to attack the weakest of the society the brahmin lot. There are several others who fought in the same lines - nobody got the same name as this guy whom you claim as periyar. Rajaji also did fight, kamraj also did fight, vaidhyanatha aiyar also fought - but they didnt hurl a garland of chappals against Lord Ram. If he was non superstitious - whythe hell was he wearing a black shirt?? I am saying he chose black coz he was superstitious himself!! Why a man needs unique identity when he claims he is not superstitious?? he was a attention seeker & a big failure in life, more so a psycho & vent his anger against people in the wrong fashion. Get it straight!!
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by greatrr on May 03, 2007 03:35 AM
The only revolution about periyar is that he married a teen when everyone thought he was old!! For a guy who says there is no god - he needs no damn thinking or sense to say that!! Only a guy who says there is something - needs intellect and conscience to understand what god is. He is a fake and toothless coward who attacked brahmins and unleashed violence against them.
He married a girl from low class because no one from his community was ready to give him girl. Which parents will offer their girl to a play boy and butcher equivalent?
And it's a fact. His first wife died as she couldn't withstand his torture.
RE:Whom are you trying to fool?
by Mathivanan on May 03, 2007 08:38 AM
A fact..?? You watched him from close quarters..?Even if he did,your so called"GOD" could do nothing about it..???!!! Shame on your GOD
RE:Whom are you trying to fool?
by greatrr on May 03, 2007 12:14 PM
If you talk against god he wont show up and take a pistol and kill you. its a personal belief that a person carries - one thing for sure .. u can only feel god - the way u feel air!! to see one has to be extraordinary.
RE:Whom are you trying to fool?
by Raman on May 03, 2007 02:22 AM
I am sure ur a Brahmin and someone believing in all nonsense beliefs and bow ur head for some fake god man every day,how can u understand the greatness of the man Periyar,if not for him Tamilnadu wouldve been ruined more by stupid beliefs and Pro Brahmin dominations
RE:Whom are you trying to fool?
by west on May 03, 2007 04:12 AM
Greatness??? If you call the fraud who heinously married a young girl by influencing her as great, then you should surrender yourself before any god man because they are the greatest of the great.
RE:Whom are you trying to fool?
by west on May 03, 2007 04:19 AM
Is he and all the present TN leaders are not cowards??? Why don't they attack the other classes? Because, they know the consequences. Even if muslims openly announce that they will oppress all other religions, the TN ministers only support the muslims... why??? you know the answer.
RE:Social Justice should reach in all spheres of life..!!!
by Sriram Vanamamalai on May 03, 2007 01:49 AM
Shows your guts. Not even ready to publish you name. BTW stop this name calling. Its inhuman to treat a fellow human like you say. How will you feel if you are given that treatment?
The varnashram system has four levels - Shudras, Vaishyas, Kshtriyas and Brahmins. Any Individual can go through all these levels and further higher in his/her life time. Infact saints are people who have crossed all these four stages. The four levels to a certain extent (only to a certain extent) resembles the famous theory on "Hierarchy of needs" The four varnashram system are not castes. They are different levels. Hindu religion has not prescribed any devadasi system. Some of the greedy men created it like sati in ancient India. So there is nothing wrong with Hindu religion. Some greedy men have created their own interpretation for their benefits. It is like bribing was a taboo once upon a time. It started like a gift and ended up like demand or birth right. Now it has become part of life. So the problem of casteism is not part of Hinduism and the religion can't be blamed for that.
RE:RE:Varnashram...
by Sriram Vanamamalai on May 03, 2007 01:11 AM
Guess I am wrong I should have read some information before putting this online. I APOLOGIZE
RE:periyar not an legend
by artie leharry on May 03, 2007 01:02 AM
making millions of people to have SELF RESPECT and to fight for women and social injustices, are silly for you,
