Please dis allow Mr Sethuraman from posting any messages unless he cleans up his act. We do not want hate mongers out here. Mr Digital is close to being one. PS I do belong to FC
He comes from a normal family like us. He idea about the society is very different like education for women , widows remarraige. At that time before 30 to 40 years back, most of the people who were educated were brahmins...doctor,engg and all Govt sevvent. He wanted tamilians of middle caste and lower caste to come up in life . that's why DMK came into power because of him...... and many tamils of lower caste came to power. The discrimitaion of Lower caste people in temples almost came to a halt in tamilnadu. This was apposed by brahmins in TN and they were attacked by DMK people ....periyar became an atheist and used to speak against hindu religion because of this...his followers too became atheist..Sathyaraj too....... his teachings are just to remove castism. Proper education to all men and women equally. Eradicaion of superstitious beliefs
RE:Please don't attack periyar's idea
by virgo on May 02, 2007 10:14 PM
he shud have attacked only the erring spheres of hinduism , and that too in a dignified manner. but his inveigh against some of the more elemental forms of hinduism ( srutis ) were over board and clearly smacked of someone who was blinded by his own hatred ..
In the end he did not want to reform hinduism. rather he wanted to create a new '-ism' and convert people to him '-ism'
RE:RE:RE:Please don't attack periyar's idea
by virgo on May 02, 2007 10:32 PM
ayya, i am from the same town as periyaar ( erode ) . i have heard some of their party's propaganda and a close relative of mine was a ex periyaarite. he has said so many things about teh hypocrisy and sycophancy of periyaar's followers. in the end periyaar did far too many things the wrong way, he created many problems while trying to solve some of the social ills that were present .. Its too un befitting to give him so much importance that too on a national media like rediff. eye for an eye, doesnt help u.. dont know that ? solution for discrimination is not reverse discrimination !! then whats the difference between the brahmins and dravidian ideologues??
Live and let live . the world has already seen far too many instances of violence, bloodshed , genocide all arising ot of hate and ignorance
where has the spirit of ancient tamils so tellingly manifested in Kaniyan Poongunranar's inspired lines ' yadum oore yavarum keelir ' gone ??
its the idea u need to fight , not the humans , coz humans are by product of ideas; change ideas and humans will change.
RE:Please don't attack periyar's idea
by dinesh kumar on May 02, 2007 10:50 PM
north india is still grappling with the caste problem.the radical nature of his ideals achieved a massive change in his own lifetime.that is the greatness of periyar. he inspired the agitations in kerala.the practice of ten centuries was broken due to the inspiration of periyar. he continues to inspire the bahujan samaj party which is changing the established order in north india.
RE:Please don't attack periyar's idea
by virgo on May 02, 2007 11:10 PM
dude, have u ever visited any place out of Tamil NAdu ? I bet u havent. u r saying that north india in its entirety is casteist !! there are some places in N India which are better than TN , as far as caste issues are concerned .. remember bengal ?
Periyaar did bring in some semblance of a social reformation in TN. For eg he fought for the abolition of two tumbler system, reformed the tamil alphabets and simplified some of the archaic elements in tamil. But alas no person is good , and in this case periyaars anti establishment thinking metamorphed into a crusade against the mostly innocent Brahmins who were perceived as dominant in TN society, when in fact they were visible only in the educational sector. OBC;s traditionally had other occupations and they ruled in those . similarly brahmins ruled in their profession which by heridity was education..
And Periyaar also took to more radical ideas like anti marriage , anti India, anti hinduism. He made sweeping generalisations based on certain experiences. and that is a really dangerous thing for any social leader who wants to bring about reformation of the society. He needs to see the both sides of the coin and have a balanced outlook ,which a illeterate like periyar sorely lacked..
Periyaar may have had the right visions but his execution and his means ultimately proved counter productive.. And in the end his extreme ideology was relegated to the background, as he was simply too radical and antagonised large hues of the society ..And the DMK and ADMK which rode to power on his name did nothing more than pay lip service to his philosophy.The only thing that they held on to was anti hindi and anti brahminism since far too much political capital was at risk of dissolution if they didnt follow the principles periyar was most (in)famously known for and also it dint affect them anyway.
On the whole periyar's policies benefited some communtities ( like the OBC) and affected or didnt affect at all on some other weaker sections ( like the brahmins and SC )
Even today there is extensive practice of the two tumbler system and occasional caste riots. His ideology didnt result in noticeable benefit in those spheres of the social polity that he originally intended to change, and worse it had adverse impact on those spheres which were not part of the problem that periyar envisaged to find a solution for .
If some of the contrived results of periyar's crusade did not occur, tamil nadu would have been a far more progressive society than it is now in its present atrophied shackled inward looking condition
RE:Periyaar's impact on the society
by dinesh kumar on May 02, 2007 09:50 PM
gandhi,the father of the nation,also had a different ideal for our country.what we have today is hardly the gandhian ideal.
that does not in any way diminish the achievement of gandhi.
what atrophy do u detect in tamilnadu?
love of ones culture and language brings confidence and a better nation.
RE:Periyaar's impact on the society
by virgo on May 02, 2007 10:07 PM
I never said gandhi was good. infact no person can be perfect. Periyaar wanted to eliminate idol worship. But his followers are erecting status of him and worshipping it.. The recent mischief by periyaarites to install a statue opposite to Ranganathaswamy temple in Thiruvarangam is a case in point. Why do they keep a statue of a mortal opposite to the entrance of a temple ? is he a god ? or do his proteges want the people who come to a temple to revere a god to also worship him ?? this is a case of an act in sheer desperation.. His ideology is outdated and so is gandhi's ideology. neither gandhi was deserving of the name 'mahatma' . neither does periyaar deserve to be given so important a status in tamil society .ultimately periyaar's followers failed him by deifying him and not gettting the idea behind the man.. This means that periyarism is just another offshot of hinduism that had radical ideas about god and spirit ( just like jainism has ) and as always Hinduism is the ultimate winner no matter how many people try to atrophy it and contrive it .. periyaar has done some admittedly good things to hindu pantheon ( and worse things too ) and thats it. his ideology doesnt deserve to be classified as an iconoclastic or path breaking. His Weltanschauung is as un unique as possible and doesnt merit a serious thinker among the masses to invest time and energy to learn or follow..
RE:Periyaar's impact on the society
by dinesh kumar on May 02, 2007 10:11 PM
both gandhs and periyars achievements were the most amazing.they were great men.they stood up to their beliefs and inspired millions.erecting a statue does not mean that rituals will be conducted and it will become a shrine.
RE:Very bad ranking by Rediff team.
by greatrr on May 03, 2007 04:42 AM
Yeah periyar is as good as albert einstien - but for his brain - just for common sense & good culture, ethics - the so called "periyar" had everything else.
Please do not attack Periyar and his philosophy... please do some home work before that. At least watch this movie. At least read some of his books, then come to a conclusion. Everyone knows him as just Brahmin basher... but he was beyond that. Just talk to an educated Brahmin woman, she can tell you what she got because of Periyar....
RE:Don't attack Periyar...!
by subbu on May 02, 2007 11:13 PM
she would have got only garland made of slippers. We are saw on Dec 7th 2006 what we got because of periyar. Kerosine bombs in Ram temple and a devotee attacked with sword in front of the temple. that is what your periyar fellow had taught his followers to do.
RE:Don't attack Periyar...!
by JOHN PETER on May 02, 2007 09:25 PM
Friend i think u dont know much about E V ramaswamy. He was against Hindus only and illtreated Hindu God Statues. If he would have illtreated gods of other religions they must have taught him a lesson. Hindus often are calm people who give respect to people even though if they iltreat their gods. E V ramasamy married a woman at the age of 70 for the third time. He is more than 40 years older than her. E V ramasamy used to speak about women freedom to public which he himself didnt follow. He called tamil a barbarian language but he talked in tamil only until his death. He didnt do any thing good to Tamilnadu but these politicians made people think ramasamy is the only one who had fought for the upliftment of Tamilnadu. He became an agent of the british so much so that even when the british had to quit india in 1947 the periyar called it a SAD DAY!!
RE:Don't attack Periyar...!
by maravan kuravan on May 02, 2007 09:38 PM
I wonder how ignorant you are...! We had almost more than 80% hindus and only Hinduism in India was known to have severe caste system and untouchable issues. He did not keep his wife as a slave (she married him willingly). Do you know that in Kerala till early 20th century... low cast women could not even wear their blouses in front of a Brahmin landlord. Subash Chandra Bose tried to get support from Hitler ... can you call him as a Nazi...? He expressed his view openly. He thought only British rule can abolish untouchability and ignorance among the people... he might be wrong in few assumptions.
RE:Don't attack Periyar...!
by dinesh kumar on May 02, 2007 09:58 PM
this is a totally comical thing ,asking why did he not criticise othere religions. periyar was not conducting a theoretical debate on the pros and cons of all world religions. he was acting on the ground ,helping people to develop self respect
RE:Don't attack Periyar...!
by JOHN PETER on May 03, 2007 08:39 AM
Friend! all the landlords are from other caste only not brahmins. Some one must have taught you history wrongly.
RE:Don't attack Periyar...!
by Kumar Bhargava on May 02, 2007 10:30 PM
Maravan It is everyone's knowledge that EV Ramasami Naicker was in Congress Party. Can you tell me and the world why he came out of it or was he asked to go and what was the reason. If Sonia Gandhi were heading the party then, there would not have been a dravidian movement.
RE:Don't attack Periyar...!
by virgo on May 02, 2007 10:40 PM
he was too ambitious.. he found that there were already so many experienced nutcases in Congress. So he came out and formed his own party .. nevertheless he was not popular among tamils coz he ruffled the feathers of many a influential sections and was ignored by people ultimately. His proteges who claim to be followers of periyaar came to power not on popularity of periyaar's ideas; rather they used the medium of cinema to spread false hopes and feelings among tamils.. and also cashed in on the anti hindi feelings that ran high during the mid sixties .. ultimately it was the actions of the union govt that aided in the rapid growth of the dravidian movement
there is no movement or feeling today in TN. karunanidhi who claims to be the head honcho of the dravidian movement came to power recently on the promise of giving free color TV and free cycle.. and he used SUN TV as a PR machinery .
dravidianism is fortunately dead in the dravidian 'heartland' !!!
RE:Don't attack Periyar...!
by Akash on May 02, 2007 09:23 PM
My Message wasn't for Periyar,it was for all those who come to the Message Boards for the sake of abusing others.
To all Brahmin Bashers and Similarly to all SC/ST/OBC Bashers as well as to religion bashers such as Hindu Bashers, Muslims Bashers, Christian Bashers etc. and caste bashers . To all Hindi Speaking Bashers as well as to all Tamil Speaking Bashers as well as to all other regional language speaking bashers To all religious chauvinists, to all caste chauvinists, to all linguistic chauvinists,to all regional chauvinists.....
STOP BALKANIZATION OF INDIA!!!!!
SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!
This isn't the land of Slobodan Milosovic, don't make it one!!!!
I know some people want to keep on abusing others and want to get away with it and if somehow someone complains then they try to stop him from doing so or shout him down similar to Hitler's SS. It is just one example of the nazification/talibanization/balkanization this country is heading towards. People here are targeting communities believing what great service they do to their kins not realizing that targeting any community in itself is a great disservice to the country and to their community itself.I don't want my country to have several partitions on communal,casteist and linguistic-regional lines, but with all this going on, I can only look in dismay as to what my country is slowly turning into. A great disservice to the country is being done by this balkanization process and seems loyalties from India have now narrowed down to local affiliations,there seems to be no patriotism left!!!! It just seems to be a Feudal structure waiting to erupt similar to what happened in 47!! Shame on all those who think what great deeds they do by abusing people, those who think that their local loyalties are far greater than this country and that the country can be compromised at any cost to fulfill their wishes and give vent to their prejudices.If you have any sanity left, come to your senses!!!!
mangal pandey - the countrys first freedom fighter who revolted against britishers was an brahmin. the countrys ancient wisdom revolved around brahmins. the ancient mathematics was synonymous with brahmins. the reason why most of you hate brahmins is because they are high in confidence. brahmins have an particular way of living. they are vegeterian, high knowledge of vedas, mantras, speaking truth. the karunanidhi govt banned reservation of preisthood exclusively for brahmins. fine, any person , be an dalit who wants to be an preist should be pure vegeterian, high knowledge of vedas and speakng truth which is not possible to all others. these qualities are exclusively for brahmins. so the preisthood remained with brahmins from unknown time. the middle ages say from 1st AD to 18nth century are the darkest age in human history worldwide.not only dalit suppression, but also racial suppression of blacks by whites, slavery,violence by church, spread of islam by sword, racial genocides happenned world wide not only in india. you cannot blame brahmins solely for all dalit sufferrings. you have to remember that in middle ages strength meant power. so the stronger always oppresses weak. the brahmins are not strong physically. you cannot blame brahmns wholly for oppression against much physically stronger dalits. the brahmins are always weak physically and high in intellectuality.
RE:why you all hate brahmin s?
by abc_xyz abc_xyz on May 02, 2007 10:29 PM
I think, this person has no idea about the cunning nature of brahmins (esp Tamil Iyers and Iyengars). Of course not all are like that ..but around 75% of them are known to be cunning, back-stabbers and most importantly, known to suppress their rivals (even if they are from their same case/sub-caste). There are such people in other communites too, but their number is just about 25%.
Simple fact, take any organisation, If the General Managers, Directorsa are Tamil brahmins, they make sure, only brahmins succeed them and give good apprisal to only those people. Even without any proper cricketing skills, Sadagopan Ramesh (Tamil Iyengar) made it to the indian cricket team because of the TNCA head Srinivasan (Another Iyengar). I bet, there were atleast 100 better players from TN then, but only he got selected.
What did C. Rajagopalachari do when he was the CM of Madras State ? He wanted to have "Kuzhakalvi Thittam" ..meaning, children learn their parent's occupation in the afternoons , after school, so that the oppressed caste, remain oppressed.
Thankfully, a non-brahmin stalward , in the form of Mr Kamaraj, stepped in at the right time and faught against these follish acts.
Take any management/educational/medical sector, if you have a brahmin boss, and you also have brahmin peers in your group, its most likely that, you brahmin colleague gets a better deal from your boss. Iam cent percent sure, almost everyone has faced these kind of problems.
If you are in a group of 3-4 brahmins at study, they make sure, they get the knowledge from you (euology), but make sure,they don't impart theirs. And at the time of Examinations/ interviews/group discussions, they will do anything to back-stab you and get ahead.
man ..i mean it, i have faced such things right from my high school days...
Please note: Iam not talking about the reamining 25% brahmins, whom i respect a lot for their heardwork/ belief and self-confidence. This is just for the moajority group of backstabbers.
RE:why you all hate brahmin s?
by artie leharry on May 03, 2007 12:47 AM
Mangal Pandey is a freedom fighter no doubt, but not the FIRST ONE!
Vellore mutiny was the first one against British. But then, this news is not given prominence in Indian history, is it because this was not carried out by a Brahmin? was caste , religion, region a factor?
Thats exactly what happens when certain section of the people wield power and discriminate, start showing part of history that only glorifies them...
RE:why you all hate brahmin s?
by Vikas Joshi on May 02, 2007 11:24 PM
Dear Mr. abc_xyz
It is regrettable that u label bramhins as cunning and back stabbers. Kindly note that practically all the reformist movements carried out in India had direct or indirect support of Bramhins. Bramhins were the only class of people who could read and write they taught people who are non bramhins to read and write. There was no blanket ban on education there were just some restrictions placed and they were placed with a genuine desire that the knowledge does not earn a bad name. For eg politics is considered bad and this is because there are a lot of people who by there behaviour have given a bad name to art of politicking. Mr Narayanan the late ex president spoke very highly about the encouragement and support given to him in his earliest career phase by Mr. Nehru who was a bramhin, Our Hon. ex president also spoke in glowing terms of a bramhin who allowed him to stay in his house when Mr. Narayanan was a student. Mr. Kalam speaks highly of his bramhin friend in his numerous books and lectures, Mr. Babasaheb Ambedkar had many bramhin supporters in his movement for dalit improvement, there were highly revered saints who were bramhins and who worked with dalits even 600 to 700 years ago. So while there was a section which was opposed to the presence of dalits in certain sectors there was an equally big if not bigger section of bramhins who fought for dalit rights, infact many people who have been awarded dalit mitra (friend of dalits) are bramhins.
Please note that this article is not to argue or fight, these are some of the facets of lives of the great friends and brothers belonging to dalit sections of society themselves have mentioned in their writings or speeches. I genuinely hope that a situation soon arises when the groups do not have to argue pros and cons, but a genuine understanding grows and respect and affection for each other becomes a reality
RE:why you all hate brahmin s?
by subbu on May 02, 2007 11:25 PM
oh. mr.abc_xyz. first learn to reveal your name. a person who doesnt want to reveal his name cannot tell truth. what u tell are all blatant lies. sadagopan ramesh played well in the ranji trophy thats why he was given a chance in the Indian 11. but he was sacked because he couldnt adapt to fast pitches of australia. this is a normal happening what is there to stuff brahminism into it. and similarly u said brahmin managers will always appraise brahmin staffs higher but i have seen many brahmin managers will only appraise better intelligent and talented staffs higher. I thin probably whatever caste u belong to might not be that much intellectual that is why u r causing so much of hue and cry against brahmins. that is because your inability is creating jealously and a vacuum in your head so that your peanut sized brain cannot think as much as a fellow brahmin. Phew I dont want to waste anymore time with morons like u. hope u got the message.
RE:why you all hate brahmin s?
by abc_xyz abc_xyz on May 03, 2007 12:06 AM
Mr joshi,
Aprreciate your views. But here,iam talking essentially about the Tamil brahmins and not the north indians. I do not have much idea/ not have mingled very closelt with north indian brahmins, hence do not deserve to comment about them. they may be be good, may be bad ..but thats for others to comment/discuss.
Here, the Tamil iyers and iyengars have this very peculiar behavior (like Subbu) who just can't digest other community to compete with them.
Revealing name or not, truth is there for everyone to see. Go and ask non-brahmin tamils who have successfully completed graduation against all odds (and who are 1st generation graduates too) ...they will explain better.
This message was to Mr Joshi , and not to any morons like Subbu.
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by artie leharry on May 03, 2007 12:53 AM
dude, this is not a fight happening in TN or India, where you want to reveal your name.
This is Internet. Unless you are new to this arena, you will know what to do in public internet forums.
People who think of revealing their full identity in Internet, don't think you are brave, you are just being foolish to make it easy for identity thieves (unless you live in India).
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by k7 on May 03, 2007 12:21 PM
that reeks of massive inferiority complex. why do u want to be helped in examinations? u mean to say brahmin candidates get ansers tutiored to them? u mena that they dont even open their mouths in group discussions and yet get selected? if there are brahmin directors etc it is because they waorked hard up the ladder. they didnt suddenly become directors one fine morning.no one is foolish to entrust a nincompoop with such a buig post if the person does not deserve it.u feel bad becuase u were a bad student. apparently u spent ur time smoking cigarettes and sashaying at the local tea shop while the poor brahmins whom u are targetting saw how their fathers worked hard to send them to good schools,build homes and houses.
RE:why you all hate brahmin s?
by on May 02, 2007 09:49 PM
I have never come across any Bhramin who is not a liar including you. They are nothing but selfish, self centered cunning people. I know many Bharmins who wake up to the smell of beef and cannot spend a day without eating beef. So don't even try to say they are vegeterians. Tell me how many people know veda in Bharmin community. So don't even try to create an impresion as if they are so pure. I know some agraharam which smell of more filth than a cherri.
RE:RE:why you all hate brahmin s?
by k7 on May 03, 2007 12:16 PM
that shows ur blind and irreverent stance towareds brahmins. i fully agree with kalyan ram.i am a brahmin and y concept of brahminism is vegetarianism,studying hard to earn a decent livelihood.brahmins as u know are not landlords,nor have they asked for lands like many others. theirs is hard earned money. my father,his father and now me and my brothers are in service. we are not stinking rich businessmen who have nee handed over sorawling businessses in inheritance. so thats my concept and kalyan ram's too.we work hard and so we are confident.u get that idiot? to me a brahmin is one who strives and toils to get what he deserves.
RE:why you all hate brahmin s?
by kalyan ram on May 02, 2007 10:23 PM
thats the conditions you made it to the brahmins today. brahmins were freely mingling with other castes and eating beef today. they have no option. thats why the countrys situation is deterroiting day by day.when you cannot respect your countrys wise men you cannot develop. kill all the brahmins in india and this country will be nothing but idiots. sooner or later china and pakistan will jointly attack india and this countrys history will be finished. this country and its peope will suffer in the future for making brahmons life miserable.
so u people believe that only 3% brahmins follwed untouchbility and created ruckus in tamil society, shame on u , what about all the kshatriyas,vysaya.and other bc s who follow this to the core even til today, this stupid periuar attacked brahmin because they r soft target, why is every body not blamed as a whole for this stupid system of ours,one should be a fool to acertain that 3% brhamin dominated everything and other castes are happy not being dragged in to this. one should be shamed to say they were dominated by mere 3% people. that idiot periyar just targedted brahmins because they are weak for his political interests. and some stupids were speaking of aryan theory. aryan theory is a big false notion created by british and europeans to get a grip on this country and claim the great vedas as property of europe. dont follow that stupid reasoning.no one came from outside everything was born in this great country of india.and stop attacking any single community which niether had political power or arms strenght to implement this castism , blame the whole society .and stop foolwing stupids as periyars, grow up.
RE:priyar
by behara vamsi chaitanya on May 02, 2007 08:42 PM
periyar is being attacked because of his idiotic policy of blaming just the brahmins for all the evils in hindu society and even going on attack this community with his followers and degrading them for politicol interests when not only brahmins but every other cast including the bcs targeted dalits and followed untouchablity.
RE:priyar
by virgo on May 02, 2007 10:20 PM
thats right.. he only attacked the brahmins.. his caste (telugu naickers and naidus ) were all following far more exterme versions of casteism and he never uttered a word.. in the end he wanted a scapegoat for his own failures in life and he found brahmins an easy prey.. i just cannot understand how garlanding lord ram's statues with footwear ( irony that he was named after Lord Rama ) will make hinduism more reformed.? will he ask question a christian as to how jesus was born to a virgin mother ?? or will he ask a mohamedan how allah rewards martyrs with 72 virgins in the heaven ?? all goes to show that he wanted to just create a neo semitic relligion called periyarism and convert unsuspecting people to his brainless periyar worshipping religion
RE:priyar
by r patil on May 02, 2007 08:32 PM
This in reply to one of your preveous post.As you know I come from non-brahmin community.My father and all his school friends and relatives also studied till 10std .That is the reason he did not made us quit schooling and made my brother study atleast 10std and we joined college and graduated.MY cousins who studied in varnacular school did their masters ,one did her PHD in phsics other gave her MPSC twice first time she became class II officer and at second attempt she became class I
officer .On top of it my cousin who is classI officer is handicaped lost her one leg in accident and lost her one year of schooling.Till she became 24 yrs she had undergone so many painfull grafting surgeries.
The greatest thing about her is she refused to take handicap reservation,she actually wanted to be a doctor but standing for 6 long hr in practicals was impossiable for her that is why she did BSc and later MSC and MPSC.
What Iam trying to say is that to become a rocket scientist your father need not be a rocket scientist.It is ussualy we come to know about different field from our freinds and teachers and news paper than our family.I did my
Engineering in merit distinction while having a 10std passed father and they were dozens like me.I agree that before getting engneering seat I took Bsc with PCM group and not with Biology group because I did not knew anthing about micro biology ,bio technology and the job benefits came along with it.
Since reservation is from so long in Tamil nadu
I can safely say many of the reserved young population is atleast graduate or atleast 12 pass.This is enough to make their children rocket scientist if they wish to become one and hence they should be removed from reservation list.When you say population of obc is 46% but getting 30% reservation that is not technically correct i beleive because, new born children,middle aged and old age people are also counted in that. Further when Ambedkar wrote the constitution we were not told that college seat and salary jobs were going to be divided as per the population,more population more represtation .Infact we were promised that we were not going to be discriminated on caste lines and EQUAL opportunity will be provided to all irrespective of the cast and social status.
By the way I am second generation to go to school and 1st generation to attend college.
My another cousin who did 12 after studying in varnacular school till 10th she was married of at age 17.Now she has put her children in english medium and takes tution of english medium school children on marathi subject because she has studed in marathi school.
The best part of it all is she takes up studies of her children by reffering to marathi -english dicnory ,because she is not that good in english.Iam very sure she will make her children atleast graduate.
I agree with subbu many FC can get back door entry in reservation by making their cast as backward on paper.I personally know one tamil couple who both are engineers they are proud to their upper status of the cast ,but for political reason their representives have made their cast MBC not even OBC.
RE:hari from chennai,just check this forum.who uses hate first and foremost.
by k7 on May 03, 2007 12:25 PM
darling madaya is not an abuse. it means you fool and u are just that.
RE:hari from chennai,just check this forum.who uses hate first and foremost.
by greatrr on May 03, 2007 04:46 AM
If he was so rational - what was the logic of wearing a black cloth?? then does he himself believed in superstition?? how can he advice others?? For reforming people why would a shirt color matter??
RE:hari from chennai,just check this forum.who uses hate first and foremost.
by digital on May 02, 2007 08:10 PM
Well they can call us whatever they like but the truth is that we have eliminated them from the political scene in TN. Periyaar helped this great thing happen to TN and India needs the same revoltion. These brahmins should be kicked backed to where they have come from.
RE:hari from chennai,just check this forum.who uses hate first and foremost.
by Dattataraya Iyer on May 02, 2007 08:32 PM
High ambitions; Well as a matter of fact its the nonbrahmins who have caused more misery and harm.The different castes such as Thevars, Kounders, Naickers etc have been involved in caste based discrimination & violence.
RE:hari from chennai,just check this forum.who uses hate first and foremost.
by JOHN PETER on May 02, 2007 09:23 PM
you are right, In villages no Landlord are Brahmins they are only from other caste. They only caused discrimination in villages.
RE:hari from chennai,just check this forum.who uses hate first and foremost.
by subbu on May 02, 2007 11:34 PM
yes. if u want to kicj us back to where we came from then we would be in India only because that is where we came from. Huh. are u trying to joke? see mr.digital. there is a saying in tamil that sadhu mirandal kaadu kolladhu - If calm person gets angry even the forest will tremble. If u want to come to violent ways we are also ready. If u r a guy and have guts come and meet me in person. dont hide behind a computer somewhere and cowardly type messages like these. Rediff should actually moderate these messages and remove those messages which incite violence against a particular community.
