RE:mr prasad has used the term kelattu karunayee against periyar
by subbu on May 02, 2007 11:36 PM
but who gave him the authority to ridicule Hindu gods and cut sacred cross belts of brahmins? Come-on leave this brahmin hating. enough is enough
Do right thiking people think hate is the medicine for hatred? Do you feel blood is the medicine for blood? You are saying the same mistake what brahmins had committed those days.
RE:Hate for hate - Blood for Blood
by digital on May 02, 2007 08:05 PM
brahmins have not given up their claim of superiority over others. It is upto the masses to show them their real place.
RE:Hate for hate - Blood for Blood
by Sriram Vanamamalai on May 02, 2007 09:40 PM
Digital your name seems to be half synonymous to your brain. In Digital world everything is a combination of 0s and 1s. You seem to have the first half thats is 0s only in your brain.
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by k7 on May 03, 2007 12:29 PM
well said sriram, and "1" seems to be digital's score in all the examinations he appeared in.he scored 1 on 100 which he cant diesgt.
RE:Hate for hate - Blood for Blood
by k7 on May 03, 2007 12:28 PM
darling brahmins are too bsy eking out their livewlihood,that they have no time to engage in a battle of superiority.when they get selected for posts without any crutch, that itself shows their superiority.they dont have to shout from the rooftops.
RE:Hate for hate - Blood for Blood
by r patil on May 02, 2007 08:36 PM
Cristain and muslims have not given superiority complex(My God is the only God my religion is the only true religion).What worst thing about these religion is they dont keep it to themself but promise us HELL FIRE.Please tell us how to teach them a leasson or two.
there was no overt hatred on this forum before mr sethuraman ramanathan came on.
he is a prime example of spewing venom.
during the entire self respect movement there were the most minimal cases of violence against brahmins.and yet hitler is brought into the picture.brahmins are 3 % of the population and they can compete for 31 % of the seats.
RE:the hatred of sethuraman ramanathan
by greatrr on May 03, 2007 04:48 AM
Hey .. there is no minimal maximum fundas.. Violence is violence. If he thinks he can attack a community - he cant expect good words from them.
RE:RE:the hatred of sethuraman ramanathan
by r patil on May 02, 2007 08:38 PM
Really Digital I find Islam and christainity two sides of the same coin no difference.
I have searched for piece and equality for many years. I had follwed Jesus and the Bible since birth. Even in my Church there is tremendous discrimination against people based on caste. Only 2% of all pastors are Dalit Christians ..rest all are BC/MBC. In the US, Indians are not treated equal..it was a shocker to me when I first arrived here and I learnt that Bible preaches slavery and many Americans believe it was blessed by God. I tried to know about Islam..never mind it is too violent a cult to be followed. I finally found truth in the teachings of Periyar. I know Periyar would not like it but to me he is the true God and the only God. What we need a is a massive propogation of Periyarism. Pl be careful about involving people like Karunanidi or Veeramani or Jayalalitha or Ezra Sargunam etc...they are politicians and breed evil everywhere. What we should have is a people movement to establish equality and truth amongst Tamilians.
RE:RE:Periyar was true God
by r patil on May 02, 2007 08:43 PM
Dear Michaeal equality will only come when dignity of labour is their in society.Even people of OBC caste are not going to respected people who are doing manuel jobs even if they come from the same caste.
Good that you came to know about BIBLE supporting SLAVERY.Indian christains even if they read SLAVERY in BIBLE they simply refuce to even accnolage it.
RE:Periyar was true God
by Micheal Rao on May 02, 2007 09:54 PM
Thanks Patil. BTW pl note that I have nothing against Christians or Hindus. I have realized that it is the religion that makes people what they are or what they are forced to do/say. All my family is still Christian and from a OBC background. They are very good people and I love them a lot...but it is the Church/religion that forces them to close their mind to the truth. When I married a Brahmin girl many years ago my family coerced me to have her convert to Christianity. Even after she converted they still did not accept her not because she was a Brahmin but because she was not a Born OBC Christian. It is then we came to the US and guess what...we are not equal in the eyes of Jesus(as quoted in the Bible..). The people in US are very kind people but it the Church which closes their mind. With my brown skin I started reading/knowing about Islam but..once again I will not even get into that. Just to let us all know that even Pakistani Muslims are not accepted as equals by the Arabs or Persian Muslims. In the US the Pakistanis do not even claim to be Pakistanis but call themselves Indians. My point is Jesus or Mohamed or Hindu gods might have said the correct thing but these have not been documented in stone or metal. What we have is just the interpretation by various people. It is in this context that I was lead to the truth through what Periyar stood for. He might have done many wrongs so did Jesus or other Gods, but we just do not know them. The organized religions have built up a strong organization some with an army. This is the case with Tamilnadu too or even India. What we need is a people movement without the likes of Veeramani/KK or JJ and learn not to dislike a fellow human. Let us start with liking a fellow Tamil and slowly progress to making peace with a fellow Indian and then a fellow South Asian...I suggest read the teachings of Periyar and forget what he did. When I say Periyar was a true God I meant it in the Spiritual sense and not in the Divine sense.
RE:RE:Periyar was true God
by r patil on May 02, 2007 11:08 PM
Hi Micheal Iam sorry to tell you that christanity and Islam beleive themself to choosen people.It is not the chruch(priest/pastore) or masjid (imam/mullas) which tell them to do so,remember these people are only following what their holy books say to believe.I have seen man whites and blacks priest in ISCON and I dont think they consider themself superior to Indian priest.Neither do Indian priests consider them to be inferior. After all Bhakt and bhakti are beyond and race,colour and cast.
Iam again sorry if my posts hurts you, but I have to say that after having studied in a convent school and wept in front of jesus statue (which is a common thing to see in roman catholic chruchs)I feel completely fool of myself reading BIBLE.BIBLE has condemped Idol worship advocated killing of unamrmed men,women,children and even animals .Taking enemies virgins as sex slave.And since GOd's word cannot be changed(I mean BIBLE which is called god's words )I have no other choise but to reject it.
By the way instead of following Pariyar I fill thousand time better to follow lord Ram's teachings(note I dont beleive he was god).Atleast he pracised what he preached. He gave prority to studies when he was a student,Gave priorit to his father when his father was alive,Gave priority to his wife after marriage,when he became king he gave priorit to his people,When he became father he took care of them once they were handed to him.IN all sense and in all walk of life he did what was best for others.We cannot have ideal societies only with people giving lectures we need examples.I hope you understand.
The Indian society needs Periyaar. Not one not two but many Periyaars. He was a true reformer. This movie should be made tax free and should be shown in every part of India. Periyaar not only elimated the brahmanism but also put in place a better social system.
rediff !!! go out there and write on CURRENT issues !!! get a life !!!! it does not matter anymore what happened 100 years ago...it matters what is going to happen tommorrowwwwwwww
RE:yawn yet again
by digital on May 02, 2007 07:32 PM
yeah just today the rss brahmins played a ploy by calling the sikhs as hindus... North India needs a Periyaar
RE:yawn yet again
by Sriram Vanamamalai on May 02, 2007 09:42 PM
RSS does not have brahmins alone. Do you even know what it is Without knowing dont even talk.Wait I know you have preserved your thoughts for immature rantings
RE:yawn yet again
by kailas shah on May 02, 2007 08:38 PM
Digital, as your name suggests you seem to be Mentally frustated guy who wants to take his frustration out. If you have any guts; disclose your real name & we can have a real logical debate.
Or else take an advise of a Doctor; you need some treatment at this stage.
RE:yawn yet again
by reena kulkarni on May 02, 2007 07:36 PM
sikhs can be hindus but cant ever be muslim or christian..lolz man u need to brush up on history, see how sikhism started
RE:yawn yet again
by digital on May 02, 2007 07:38 PM
thats why I said north needs a Periyaar to fix you brahmins as he did it here. Long live the social movement of Periyar.
RE:yawn yet again
by Dattataraya Iyer on May 02, 2007 08:48 PM
Fix Brahmins? forget it and wake up from your dream.Brahmins can prosper on self belief alone and we don't need any resrvations.
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by reena kulkarni on May 02, 2007 07:37 PM
i am a sikh married to a hindu guy and no issues abt that..so wats the big deal? sikhs are hindus only, a branch to protect against agression from U KNOW WHO !!! :p
RE:yawn yet again
by sethuraman ramanathan on May 02, 2007 07:46 PM
yes; brahmins needed to clean up the pollution caused by people like you. unfortunately, after seeing you, i know that they have still a few more clean up acts left.
RE:yawn yet again
by subbu ram on May 02, 2007 08:17 PM
Grow up - it doesn't matter which caste u belong to . All that metters is what type of person are you, what is the value-add you are doing to the society. Being a Brahmin or a Shudra does not change anything. We are not in gthe 16th century for God's sake..
RE:yawn yet again
by reena kulkarni on May 02, 2007 07:42 PM
Brahminism is a way of life...follow it and u will only be helping urself.. dont be a fanatic and rid urself of the backward complex !!
RE:yawn yet again
by digital on May 02, 2007 07:44 PM
and that very way of life was changed by Periyar. There is nothing like backward in concept of Periyar.
RE:yawn yet again
by k7 on May 03, 2007 12:32 PM
YEAH HE WAS SO FORWARD.HE PROVED THAT MARRYING SOMEONE HIS GRANDDAUGHTER'S AGE WAS A WAY TO BRING INDIA ON THE DEVELOPING PATH
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by Sriram Vanamamalai on May 02, 2007 09:44 PM
If there is nothing backward then why do you call yourself backward class and need reservations answer that?
Dravidar Kalagham/Kazhagam as it is called has one of its wing Ravanar niruvanathinar (ravana community)..and their preaching.."There is no GOD"..Doesn't it really sounds ridiculous!. Ravana was one of the foremost devotees of Shiva.He has been also called Ravana-Brahma by Hindu scriptures.He was even revered by RAM for his knowledge.Some of the Shiva sthuthis are composed by him are even chanted during pooja.. Pretty sad that these persons use his name to propogate aesthetic ideas..
RE:Why use Ravana's name..
by digital on May 02, 2007 07:31 PM
why is the Ravanar niruvanathinar community arrested for burning the idol or Ram on dushehra ? When Ram belivers can burn the idol of Ravan why cant the Ravan belivers burn the idol or Ram ?
RE:Why use Ravana's name..
by harifromchennai on May 02, 2007 07:38 PM
Do you think hate is the medicine for hatred? Do you feel blood is the medicine for blood? You are saying the same mistake what brahmins had committed those days.
Simple Question: Why is a Brahmin never jailed for calling himself a upper caste and calling others as lower caste. Periyaar was a visionary and thats the reason he ended brahminism in TN. Tamil nadu is making good progress in the social reforms because the brahmins are cut to size here.
RE:Why?
by dinesh kumar on May 02, 2007 07:44 PM
how is that? they are 3 % of the population and they can compete for 31 % of the seats. or do u allege that some other form of discrimination is being exacted on them.
RE:Why?
by k7 on May 03, 2007 12:35 PM
i am abrahmin. i ahev never called myself as belonging to an upper caste. that is in ur filthy mind. it is u who refers to brahmins as persons belonging to upper castes. caste consideration runs in ur blood,so why blame brahmins who have much more interesting things to do in life?
RE:Why?
by Right said on May 02, 2007 07:43 PM
oh yeah... just do a quick census on corruption and the social makeup of all the govt offices... get the picture. AS they say the face says it all when you enter a govt office... if you consider that offensive then you havent heard anything!!!
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by dinesh kumar on May 02, 2007 07:46 PM
so corruption is endemic to some peoples and absent in others.maybe u can submit a thesis to the magazine 'science'
The dravidian parties have been in power continously fr the last 4 decades and the congress has all but been wiped out. The BJP has made no in roads into the state. This clearly means that the dravidian ideology is stillhaving a hold and will always be. This is the legacy of Periyar. No one can deny this. It will be a miracle if congress or BJP come to power in TN. You can compare tht with Indian winnig the world cup in cricket. I am not telling that Periyar was great, he did indulge in some excesses during his time but he gave others a chance to dream to make it big. Fr people who argue that what god have these parties done for the state i would say that TN is the most industriaised state after gujrat, maharashra and punjab. TN is better off in agriculture too in spite of getting so little water from Karnataka. Literacy rate is high compared to congress ruled states, no farmers suicide, no naxal problems and i cn go on. So just think before blogging. I am no fan of karunanidhi or jayallitha but because of the dravidian movement initiated by periyar TN is better off than many many many congress rules, BJP ruled communist ruled states in India. nd i reiterate that i am not a periyar fan but just admire him for how he transfored the psyche of an entire state.
RE:RE:Bloggers have no idea of the dravidian movement
by k7 on May 03, 2007 12:39 PM
good. now that u have admitted urself that tn is good academically, do u see any point in pursuing reservations? dont u understand that it is the individual's relative ability or inability which gets him a higher post. or a better seat in iit and not caste alone? if u are so confident that tn has progrssed industrially and academically where is the need to tom-tom periyar and his so called ideals? it menas that periyar or no periyar as a tamilian, u take pride in the achievements of tamilians. that shiould be the unifying factor.caste is always a divisive factor
