The reason for the excess of these people is due to the autonomy of the IITs. The contractual basis of the faculty in the first years will remove this kind of thing from the IIT atmosphere. If the HRD will bow down to the IIT faculties then the consequences will be as follows. (i) It will create a disparity among the intelluctuals , working in various fields. The IIT professors will not be able to get any thing from DST and CSIR for research as most of the funds provider are out of IITs and they will not like them because of the disparity. This will be more beneficial to IIT faculty who wants to teach for 2 hrs per week and hate to go to lab. (one can review for the lab visits of the faculties) (ii) It will spoil the IIT atmosphere, peon starving on the pay and has to get orders from a aperson who gets salary of USA , living in INDIA. (iii) People will not go out for higher studies and would love to grab one position in IIT by flirting an old IIT faculty who is chairman for the selection. and many other.... I hope Sibbal will be strict to what he said.. If all facultis go to resign, I am sure IITs will not have bad result, 150000 persons of same qualitis are waiting to go and work in their own country..
Re: The second part of the last message
by Shiva Muthu on Sep 24, 2009 08:56 PM
We know, you can not solve at least one problem from the cuttent assignments to IIT students...
Re: Read it carefully
by RamRam on Sep 24, 2009 08:44 PM
There will be some. You cannot generalize. If you take this kind of comparison, then no engineering college can function.
Re: Read it carefully
by Shiva Muthu on Sep 24, 2009 08:53 PM
10% Super Professors at Univesity in India because Administration will play politics through our NETAS. thats why 20 % cap for Prof. at NIT and 40% IIT. EVery educational institute has to be a political ground by our ministers.
Re: Re: Read it carefully
by ideas on Sep 24, 2009 09:01 PM
Who is coming to do politics to IIT, Sibbal is just telling what Govt can afford to give the faculty of IIT. If they think they arr worth of more they can resign and they can show to sibbal that they are of more worth. You do not know , that 15 of them can have a job out of IIT and not any other.
So, there is no question of treating IITs differently. Many private engineering colleges are there which can produce same set of B.Tech student if they receive quality student. And for qualifying CAT you dont need the knowledge which was supplied by IIT. Only thing that is needed is good IQ and sound basic knowledge whic can be found in private engineering college also if the student is inherently good. Also it is not reasonable to compare with salaries for USA universities. In USA almost all the faculties are not permanent as in the Indian system. Here in our country, faculties do research well if their students are good. So it is very evident that very few faculties are working hard to improve the quality of research. In India survival for faculties are very easy. They can manage huge amount of project without producing any thing. Nobody is there to check what is the outcome. I personally believe in the system where salaries should be high but jobs will not be permanent. Every faculties and staffs need to explain and defend their work to the service acceptor. As for example in USA system where faculties are evaluated by student. Also the Univerisites in USA are financially more independent and they have many kind of additional funds from where they provide extra money to the qualified faculties. Therefore IIT faclties should understand that if they continue to consume tax payers money then there is no reason they should be treated differently from faculties in other org.
Re: Salaries for IIT faculties
by himanshu sonkar on Sep 24, 2009 08:42 PM
You need to study at an IIT to understand the difference between studying in IIT and any other private institute .. I can tell that from personal expereince :)
Re: Re: Salaries for IIT faculties
by Maria Gracia on Sep 24, 2009 10:20 PM
How did you know that the quality is different btw the two? Did you complete you PG or UG in both IIT and other colleges to evaluate it? Don't come ard and tell you did PG in one and UG in another. The level of subject maturity and subject are totally different btw UG and PG.
Don't be a bong and just go abt IIT and stuff. It is 98% the same syllabus btw the 2. Just coz the top rankers rush to it doesn't make it high standard. Nowadays, even a govt. college student can challenge IIT guys as the scope and depth of IT sector has maximised. You get all the stuff you want on the internet. You just have to update your knowledge on your subjects thats all. In a few years time all these differentiation will vanish.
Why IIT Profs. are not �ashamed� of asking US rates of slaaries? There are many issues to be introspected by them before asking for big money? How many of them produce quality/high impact research papers excepting a few? may be they will tell the excuse that they don't have infrastructure compared to the US. Nonetheless, The IITs are well funded with good infrastructure compared to any average (European Union)EU/US universities. The goverment provides cheap housing, excellent schools for their children all in-house. This they cannot imagine anywhere in EU/US. While in the US/EU the profs. are paying a significant portion of their money for houses alone. Also the cost of living is just nothing compared to the US/EU in Indian IIT facilities. I have another doubt? What infrastructure is needed for a Prof. who does research in theoretical or computational disciplines other than pen and paper and a PC and in some exceptional cases a cluster of computers? The most urgent thing needed to make the Profs. at par with international standard is just their patience and devotion which most of them lack. Moreover, did any IIT prof. come even remotely near to the Nobel? But in the Us and Eu universities you can find many.
Re: IIT vs US Uty
by AK on Sep 24, 2009 08:41 PM
Very true. And even in terms of funding, there is no dearth of funding for research in India now. But still we lack greatly in ideas! The need of the hour is Max-Planck institute kind of set ups which focus solely on research. In IIT the faculties try to ride on the quality of their undergraduate program. Just cmpare the ease with one becomes a prof in IIT and say in any German or even American institutes. Its cake walk in IIT and that has contribute immensely in promoting mediocrity and lethargy.
Re: IIT Teachers and other teachers
by RamRam on Sep 24, 2009 08:36 PM
Man, you are proving to be so stupid and its increasing with each post. Can you please post on the qualification requirements, if you know??
Re: Re: Re: IIT Teachers and other teachers
by RamRam on Sep 24, 2009 08:40 PM
Can you post the qualification requirements and compare??? If not, don't continue arguing
Please have a look at the demands of the IIT Profs. They have never asked for US-style salaries. In fact, most of them chose to return to the country to teach in IITs at a much lesser pay that they would have got even as postdocs. They are not the greedy people that Mr. Sibal is making them out to be. All they ask is a better pay for incoming faculty. Remember, these guys who are protesting, are in already. They are not crying themselves hoarse to get themselves a fatter pay cheque. They are worried about getting good people and sustaining the IITs. Now have a look at what the government has done in the pay fixation. Grade pay of 9500 has been created just for IIT Associate Professors, so that they may be denied the perks like Business class travel, that come with a grade pay of 10000. Babus with comparable salaries enjoy all these perks. Even though this has hurt the IIT Profs, they have chosen not to go to town about it. A cap of 40% has been set to the number of professors who can get the AGP of 12000. This is against the very spirit of the IIT system, in which people get promoted if they are good and don't, if they are not. All they are saying is that a deserving person should not have to wait just because there is "no vacancy" at the top. This kind of caps have killed our university system. The IITs are just trying to "not get killed".
Re: the IIT Professors have not asked for US-style slaries
by Haramohan Roy on Sep 24, 2009 08:29 PM
The Associate Professors in the UGC scale get the AGP of only Rs 9000! So, what is bad about 9500?
Re: Re: the IIT Professors have not asked for US-style slaries
by RamRam on Sep 24, 2009 08:32 PM
I guess you don't have a clue on the qualification requirements. Buddy, do a good analysis and comparisons. Don't keep on going with your non-sense and vague arguments.
if all the babus and ministers tigten their belt there will be enough money for the teachers -right from the village to IIT-- it is just an ineffiecient eye wash to say that india does not have resources. mr sibal must understand that he has not been put in charge to suggest the obvious -- HE HAS TO FIND THE RESOURCES TO KEEP THE IIT IN GREAT SHAPE AND THAT STARTS FROM THE FACULTY.
MR SIBAL nusr BE like A CEO who has to turnaround a situaction and notvjust press report.
we know india does not have money - WE ALSO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY LIES.
