Kapil ... you do not have your own standard to discuss this issue with worldclass faculties of IIT colleges.... Please know your limit.... If 1000 politicians get out, nothing is lost but if ONE prof of IIT goes, everything is lost. Therefore Kapil, You Get Lost first.
Re: How many IIT Profs are IITians (B.Tech)
by vinaay upadhyay on Sep 24, 2009 07:45 PM
Please think before you write. Can we know what product you are?People from across the globe come to IIT's for PhD. Either you don't understand the work they do or you are trying to hide your incompetence by targetting the students at IIT.
Re: How many IIT Profs are IITians (B.Tech)
by INDIAN Ram on Sep 24, 2009 07:51 PM
M.Techs and PhDs of IITs are changing the world and main power of economy, and bringing up the new Technology, introducing the promising tomorrow, B Tech are salaried slaves, just sitting in front of computer and fullfilling desires of Googles, Microsoft, IBM infosys, wipro, basically technicians and operators, with limited skills
First we use to lose only IIT students and now we will lose professors...Great achievement Mr Sibal..Anyway good news for uncle SAM....they will absorb these professors like they are in habit of absorbing creamy layer of every skill...
Re: India is Shining and Progressing...
by upkar r on Sep 24, 2009 08:03 PM
IITs and IIMS has not yet performed so well that they should be given special salary status . They already enjoy elite class status ,But if we carefully look back past 50 years their achievement has never been outstanding . Already they are earning a lot through consultancy , now they must not be given more salary hike . I think this all propaganda and drama is being created to get more and more autonomy. Just think in this perspective as a common man , Why these institute are charging exorbitant tutuion fees like 6 lakhs per annum? Is it really justified ? No not at all , A strong minister and Governmnet's signal should be strict no no for IITs and IIMs demanding the exclusive autonomy status . These Government institutes are not property of professors and elite class. In reality by achieving autonomy it is evident from the past statistics that IIMs have raised fees with in 3 years enormously , almost 300% .
They have also made CAT and JEE as a business where they earn crores for conducting exam all this should be checked but we cant expect if we elect a cong. government every time bcoz there is nepotism and they want the root of nepotism should not get weak in the whole Indian education system as well . So my all Indian friends think it seriously .
...that IITs don't receive a lot of funds and hence no ground breaking discoveries (or anything of note) emerge from IITs. But wait a minute...on what kind of funds do you think, pretty average students work and publish quality papers with their professors elsewhere (US or otherwise)? Forget the funds and all. IIT faculty and faculty in India in general have taken their jobs for granted...its only when some insecurity creeps in that one can expect results. That's a basic fact and no one can dispute it. They've had a jolly good time so far and with all the time and job security on their hands, they haven't even bothered publishing anything of note.. I think its time for the culture of accountability to set in.
Re: Some people argue...
by Atul Narain on Sep 24, 2009 07:49 PM
True. Its well known that most are very mediocre teachers with little imagination. All the latented people are out of the country anyway.
Re: Re: Some people argue...
by YoBro on Sep 24, 2009 08:00 PM
Hmm...I sort of disagree. I think many of the faculty in IITs are PhDs from US and they are very talented brains. Its just that they are put in a culture where they think, "no one around me, including my peers or seniors" are really publishing - why should I bother" and then they go with the flow. This is what I was referring to. But the same faculty, were really productive, say, when they were students, etc...
Re: Some people argue...
by AK on Sep 24, 2009 07:31 PM
Very true. Its almost taken for granted that anyone who joins as faculty will become a professor!
Re: If IIT is ultimate than why ?
by AK on Sep 24, 2009 07:32 PM
But who told u IITs are "ultimate"?! At the most one can say that IITs are ultimate for "B.Tech" in India. That ultimate thing stops just there. When it comes to research, they fare very poorly even in comparison to many other institutes in India.
Re: Re: If IIT is ultimate than why ?
by RamRam on Sep 24, 2009 07:44 PM
Don't make stupid comments. Publication comparisons between various institutes are well documented and available on net. At least, do some home work.
Re: Re: Re: If IIT is ultimate than why ?
by AK on Sep 24, 2009 08:34 PM
It wld have been grt if YOU have done it and posted it here for all of us! I can guess which paper you will refer to to prove that IITs are just behind IISc. But there are various other reports available which you might have conveniently or may be unknowingly ignored - govt reports available with PSA for example. See all those and tell us whether u still feel IITs do better research than (ok leave the likes of IISc and TIFR), even other simple non glorified instittes. And again IITs will go further down if the output is normalised against the facilities and reach including the caliber of students the institutes can afford to attract. Do u know that a simple institute like RRL, Tvm whose faculty go with rediff email ids could publish cover page articles in double digit IF journals? And how many times does it happen in IITs? I am not saying that IIT faculties are stupids - I shd be stupid to say that. The kind of facilities provided at IITs compared to other low key institutes attract the best. But, the fact is that they are pampered so much that they choose to remain at low level in research!
My little children can stay hungry without eating for a day. Please go on hunger strike for ever.
US Universities give its football and basketball coaches millions of dollars in salaries, the escalating cost is putting many if not most Americans out of college education. India doesn't need to go that way. IIT Professors can all take a one way walk to Arabian Sea. Bay of Bengal is not a bad choice.
Re: india is a anti-public, anti-heennddu nation!
by Junior Don on Sep 24, 2009 07:32 PM
Very_true_observer_even Temple_money_nowadays_are diverted_for_madrasas_to fund_terrorists. In_fact_politicians_a re_ensuring_that_hindus_fund their_own_destruction.
Re: india is a anti-public, anti-heennddu nation!
by Bigb tripathi on Sep 24, 2009 07:35 PM
I agree with you..This is a shame. We are still throwing money at something which should have been stopped long back while not spending on something good. The IITians will keep going to US and all the innovations will keep happening there.
