Caste is based on birth. In fact, to put it more clearly, caste is inseparable from birth, caste is birth. In other words, all members of a family belong to one caste.
I may choose a profession different from my father's profession, but still I belong to my father's caste, in the sense that I genetically belong to my father's family.
Caste is genetics-based. People belonging to a particular caste are genetically closer to each other than to other castes.
It is scientifically established that a child inherits several things from its parents. It inherits good things, bad things. A child inherits good things such as intelligence, logical thinking, morals, love, compassion and so on. It also inherits bad qualities such as jealousy and hatred. It also inherits diseases such as heart disease, diabetes and so on.
So, biologically, naturally, nature has a way of transmitting certain things (good or bad) from parents to children. Caste system tries to make use of this natural phenomenon. A child does not have to start from scratch. A child readily starts with some qualities inherited from its parents and grandparents. There is absolutely nothing wrong about caste system. On the other hand, caste system is natural and scientific and there is everything good about caste system.
Indians lost originality in their thinking and look at everything through the eyes of westerners and other religions.
Re: Caste is scientific
by P D on May 15, 2010 06:03 PM
whar reddy is telling is 100% correct. I will add 1 more thing that even not all religions are same, just by talking to a people and his behaviour one can tell his religion. a person even he is occuping high post will still behave like his caste genes.
Re: Caste is scientific
by Arun on May 14, 2010 12:14 PM
If u sprouted from 1 great great grwat granddad, rnt u marrying your own siblings idiot? Nature has classified all living things into 2. Male and Female. Each gender has its own properties. Lets go by that. Not some autocratic high class using the caste system to look poor people low.
You are very low though u clas from an upper caste.You just stink.
Re: Re: Caste is scientific
by PRK Reddy on May 14, 2010 03:09 PM
I decently explained my arguments in favor of caste. I never talked about upper or lower castes. It is very clear whose messages stink here.
Talking about siblings, do not jump into your own conclusions without fully knowing about caste and gotra. In spite of my touching upon these topics, you seem to jump to conclusions without understanding thing.
By the way, it appears from your messages that you do not belong to India or you do not seem to practice Indian culture and religion. Are you fully-foreign, or half-foreign i.e. Indian by birth but foreign by practice? I pity people like you.
I merely expressed my views in favour of caste and caste-based census. Where is the need to take such offense? Are you from the religion of peace?
Re: Caste is scientific
by PRK Reddy on May 14, 2010 11:45 AM
Naturally, biologically, a child inherits qualities from its parents and grandparents. This simple truth is the basis of caste system. The son of a doctor is likely to be a better doctor. The son of an engineer has the potential to become a greater engineer. The son of a software professional has a greater tendency to become an even greater software professional than his father and mother. Nature provided this facility. And our intelligent ancestors made use of this facility provided by nature.
There are two things. (1) The child inherits biologically through genes. (2) Secondly, the atmosphere in the home: if my father is a doctor, by seeing him, it is easier for me to become a doctor. Since my father is already an accomplished doctor, he can also guide me well in becoming a doctor. I do not have to start from scratch. I can make use of the progress made by my father.
If you are proud of your father's profession, you can start from where your father left it.
Of course, if you are ashamed of your father's profession, then you would not like to practice it.
It all depends on whether you love or hate your father's profession.
Keeping aside an individual's choice and individual freedom, thinking from a society's point of view, caste is good for the society because, generation after generation, beter and better doctors, engineers and other professionals are produced.
Re: Re: Caste is scientific
by Opinionated Man on May 14, 2010 03:12 PM
To take up your father's profession and keep up the good work, you need to retain the caste??
what rubbish????? You have given all illogical arguments my friend.
Re: Re: Re: Caste is scientific
by PRK Reddy on May 14, 2010 03:25 PM
I think you still did not understand what caste is. That is why you are talking about "retaining" caste. Caste is merely a name given to genetic identity. Whether you explicitly follow a caste system or not, caste is implicitly present. It is a biological/genetic phenomenon. Just as you can not change your father or mother or grandparents, you can not change your caste. In fact, caste is a collective name given to your parents grandparents and all your ancestors put together. That is what is caste and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
To become a good doctor, caste may not be necessary, but what is wrong in making use of your ancestral heritage if my parents and grandparents are good doctors. I will biologically inherit their skills and secondly by virtue of growing up among them, there are better chances of my becoming a doctor better than they are. The probability is higher.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Caste is scientific
by Opinionated Man on May 14, 2010 04:10 PM
T retain all the good things of your ancestors, and feeling one with them , you need not cry out loud your caste and in the process create a divide amongst yourselves.
Re: Re: Caste is scientific
by PRK Reddy on May 14, 2010 11:53 AM
Indians lost their originality. They started looking at everything through the eyes of westerners and other foreigners.
Secondly, people belonging to foreign religions made malicious propaganda against Indian systems and culture. They wanted to change the religion of Indians. Their aim is to spread their own religions, so that Indians lose their identity and think and behave like foreigners.
Their aim is that Indians should hate everything Indian. Indians should develop infereiority complex about all Indian systems, traditions, customs and culture. Indians must give up their ancient traditions and follow infantile "intelligence" of the West.
Even the so-called social reformers during the last couple of centuries could not think properly and came under the influence of western thinking.
Whether we practice caste explicitly or not, caste will always be there, because in our creation, a child inherits qualities from its parents. As long as this biological, genetic law works, caste will remain, irrespective of whether we explicitly follow a caste system or not.
Shame on Rediff and all the so-called intellectuals fighting for casteless society!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Caste is scientific
by PRK Reddy on May 14, 2010 03:17 PM
I agree groupism is an evil. But that does not mean caste is an evil.
You already have groupism based on religion, based on political ideology such as communism, based on regional identity such as Telangana, Vidarbha and so on.
Leave caste alone. Indian sociary may have been fragmented by caste, there may be groupism based on caste, but you do not have to blame caste for that.
There is so much groupism based on some religions. There are very dangerous, terrorist groups based on religion. Will you advocate banning these religions?
Please don't blame caste for groupism. Groupism by caste became prominent only after 1947. Prior to that different people practiced different castes and lived harmoniously.
In software design, you need strong cohesion and loose coupling. Caste system achieves that. Within a caste, there is strong cohesion and between castes, there is loose coupling.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Caste is scientific
by Opinionated Man on May 14, 2010 04:08 PM
Caste is the biggest form of groupism after religion in India.
Whether you like it or not, castism is the seed for major problems in India be it mandal commision, or be it vote bank politics in colleges to national level.
So castism, is best if we keep it silent just like gothra.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Caste is scientific
by Opinionated Man on May 14, 2010 04:09 PM
Btw, I agree with the strong cohesion part, but definitely not loose coupling.
We don't have a choice. Caste-based census is a must, because the Constitution of India grants special privileges based on caste and religion.
The recent judment in favour of 27% OBC quota, quotas for SC and ST, and several populist schemes based on caste and religion - all these demand that census must be taken based on caste.
The population and other lifestyle parameters of all castes including forward, backward, SC and ST must be taken. Let us know the population of each caste. Let us analyse which are the backward castes and which are the backward castes. Let us also analyze the reasons for backwardness.
Is population a reason for backwardness of a caste? Most of the forward caste families have only 1 or 2 children. But a significant number of backward caste families have 3 or 4 or even more children. So, is this uncontrolled population a cause for backwardness? So, what is the solution for this backwardness? Is more quota a solution? Or is population control a solution?
It is very essential that census data is collected for each caste and religion. This will enlighten us about the reasons for backwardness of certain communities.
So, caste-based census is mandatory, for the simple reason that many schemes of our great government are based on caste.
Whether caste is a demon or not is irrelevant. You want to support caste-based quotas, but you want to oppose caste-based census. Caste-based quotas and schemes require caste-based census.
Re: Re: Caste-based census is a must
by PRK Reddy on May 14, 2010 03:28 PM
I strongly oppose caste-based quotas, but since caste-based quotas are already there, we need caste-based census to determine their efficacy. If necessary, we can use this census data to build a public opinion against caste-based quotas.
Re: Caste-based census is a must
by PRK Reddy on May 14, 2010 11:19 AM
I am from a caste called Reddy, which is a forward caste in Andhra Pradesh. I am anti-Congress, I am anti-secular and I am anti-constitutional too in the sense I do not like several things in our great constitution, such as special privileges based on religion and caste.
I strongly believe it is necessary to take caste-based census, so that we know the status of each caste, and see whether our quotas are working or not.
Indians are not for equality. They prefer fairer skin. Upper caste. Male dominant.
If there is a day when the last "so called upper caste Indian" would marry his son or daughter to a person without a question about the caste, we then can talk about "caste less", "reservationless" India. Till then we will have to live with this curse.
Re: Caste, Racism and Inidans are inseparable...
by Opinionated Man on May 14, 2010 03:02 PM
FYI, i have married a girl without knowing her caste. Neither of our parents had a problem with that.
Re: Re: Caste, Racism and Inidans are inseparable...
by Arun on May 14, 2010 11:47 AM
oh... Then marry ur mom, grand mom, siblings... Thats what u meant with the stupid posts rite?
Re: Re: Re: Caste, Racism and Inidans are inseparable...
by PRK Reddy on May 14, 2010 11:57 AM
Ignorant, westernised people like you should know that there is something else called gotra within a caste. People within a gotra are siblings. People of different gotras are not siblings. You can rest assured that our ancestors took all factors into account.
It is good that you are thinking and waking up from your ignorance!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Caste, Racism and Inidans are inseparable...
by Arun on May 14, 2010 12:23 PM
Your great grand dad had 100 low caste keeps and gave birth to 100 kids each. So, there are sooo many gothras. Each gotra refers to 1 keep. What a logic?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Caste, Racism and Inidans are inseparable...
by Arun on May 14, 2010 12:17 PM
who laid the rules? You m@r@ns to f@ck your own sisters... and call it gotra....
Re: Caste, Racism and Inidans are inseparable...
by Opinionated Man on May 14, 2010 03:07 PM
If Idnia favours something, it does not mean that it is correct.
Earlier untouchability was law, but we all know that it is evil.
Castism and its prevelave has been eating the society and will always do so.
Re: Re: Caste, Racism and Inidans are inseparable...
by PRK Reddy on May 14, 2010 03:40 PM
Untouchability was not a "law".
There were several reasons. To put it simply, somebody who was a pure vegetarian did not want to touch somebody who is a non-vegetarian. Vegetarians lived in their own villages called agrahaarams. They did not want to have anything to do with others. Is this a crime?
For simplicity, I used only vegetarianism. But there are other factors also such as traditions and customs. People who follow certain traditions want to keep away from people who do not follow these traditions. Is this a crime? Is this an evil?
Live and let live. If somebody want to practise what they believe is right, let them practice them, as long as they are not oppressing others. They did not go and plunder them, loot them or kill them. How is it a crime?
Nothing wrong, if intentions of Govt. is simple and straight, It is the duty of Govt. to provide equal opportunities to all, but today caste has become vote bank politics, no action on Maya, Mulayam, Paswan, Lalu who bank upon on caste based dirty politics.If Govt. is play this card of divide and rule, census is a curse.
How can one abolish caste in India since it is an integrated part of the Hindu religion. When one says i am Hindu, he definitely belongs to some caste, without which his identity as an Hindu does not exist.
Re: what is caste ?
by alok bhagat on May 15, 2010 07:37 PM
nobody is abolishing caste. it is just that we dont want people to be differentiated on basis of caste.
Re: Re: what is caste ?
by Rajalakshmi on May 15, 2010 08:16 PM
manav,
plese go and study abt hinduism. then only u will understand what caste is. Don't blabber foolishly that without caste there is no hindu identity. Hinduism has a deep philosophy about caste...if u understand u will appreciate the reason.
Jau jakar pahle unlogo ka sign leke aao jinhone desh ko jativad ke naam se barbad kar diya he aur garib logo ko (aur garib bhrahmno ko bhi) bhikari bana diya he. Jau jakar pahle unlogo ka sign leke aao jinhone caste based reservation jesi nonsense abtak chalu rakhi he. Jau jakar pahle Arjun Singh ka sign leke aao jisne IIT or IIM jesi world class institute me bhi OBC quota ghused diya he.
uske baad, tum jaha kahoge vaha me sign karne ke liye tyyaar hu!
Re: "jao jakar pahele" like a famous di
by sanjeev ganguly on May 13, 2010 06:52 PM
very much true my freind, though in a filmy style!! i liked ur style!
