Probably the the lack of interested in development of proper resources like schools and higher education. In America anyone wanting education can get one in fact there are too many seat available that they desperately look for foreign students to fill them.But with India there is too much corruption people wanting education are deny the right to get a seat at any decent college, and there are too few of them. This what they wanted the government divide and conquer, because th Babus political raj does not wish to develope do the society is at each others throats by vote bank politics . While Americans are least worried about these things as in foreign. Why the USG places so many restrictions on open colleges and Universities.
talking agains quota system, people should talk against castism istelf. Only if the castism is completely wiped out then the quota system could be removed. Until then this system would exist.
Re: Instead of
by shashwat kirwai on Aug 11, 2010 05:34 PM
its quite the opposite, first eliminate quota, this will eliminate discrimination. earlier system was kindof like quota with quota given to upper caste, this increased discrimination. present system is also increasing discrimination.
Re: Re: Instead of
by sethu raman on Aug 11, 2010 05:45 PM
the one which has started first shoud go first... besides that reservation is the only strength for the low caste people, in this discriminated country. BTW I am not sure if ur second name kirwai corrseponds to ur caste?
I am a techie with satyam, and graduated from a premier college in bengaluru. And in engineering, there were atleast 20 categories ?rt from merit, called 2a,2b,2c,2g etc etc. This is absolutely senseless and it means someone from merit with a good rank does not get in, because some mediocre guy with a poor rank gets in because of quota. And my institution had enough guys, who were BC by name only, but economically they were better of than us!! Why on earth are we giving quotas then? Only MERIT should be the sole criterion. Otherwise, atleast look at the economic state of that candidate, and if that cadidate dose well, then he can be selected. The govt is doing nothing for the thousands of hardworking graduates who find it tough to get into vvarious courses, thanks to the quota menace!!
Re: What about the rich people from the so called BC's who get i
by sethu raman on Aug 11, 2010 05:23 PM
ask ur ancestors why on earth they enjoyed this uppercaste previllage for more than 2000 years?
Re: Re: What about the rich people from the so called BC's who g
by Sanjay on Aug 11, 2010 05:32 PM
There more chandals then they are upper class, sad to state. The upper caste you speak are by name only, they lost their status long ago and behave closer to chandals eating dead bodies, and that of rakshas for lying , cheating and being truthful..
What it meant to be upper class, was to be truthful, hygienic, benevolent the well wisher of all but such qualities are non existent in their class and such Rakshas wish to call themselves upper class because of birth privilege which may be unknown.`
Re: Re: What about the rich people from the so called BC's who g
by Truly Secular on Aug 11, 2010 05:27 PM
Raman, What you want to now? I am not sure, where from you got 2000years. Caste system become more rigid during Invaders rule.
Try to think as Indian. Don't abuse your own country.
Go and see USA. I see some much rascism. How many whites married to blacks?
The answer is let us educate and behave like equals.
Re: Re: Re: What about the rich people from the so called BC's w
by sethu raman on Aug 11, 2010 05:36 PM
Secular... In US white and balcks are not native americans. Probably India is the only country where the own country people got discriminated. I got 2000 years history from manu sastram date backs to before christ. BTW, in some states of US they have reservation for black people... U know that?
Re: Re: What about the rich people from the so called BC's who g
by shashwat kirwai on Aug 11, 2010 05:37 PM
valmiki, ved vyas, vishwamitra all were from low castes. but there karma made them brahmarshi. earlier discrimination was not there. it became prevalant only during occupation.
Re: Re: Re: What about the rich people from the so called BC's w
by shashwat kirwai on Aug 11, 2010 06:11 PM
I meant low caste in present sense. Manusmriti may advocate discrimination but it can not undo wisdom of ved, upnishad and gita, which though advocate castism never accept or advocate discrimination. In gita even it is written that caste is not from bisrth but from actions.
Re: Re: Re: What about the rich people from the so called BC's w
by sethu raman on Aug 11, 2010 05:43 PM
oh really.... so u didnt read about manu sastra... In mahabarath karna was discriminated for his cast. I guess it is also dated back to 2000 years?. But you itslef said that valmiki, vyasa were low caste... that itself says there was a discrimination
Re: Re: What about the rich people from the so called BC's who g
by kaushal jha on Aug 12, 2010 02:06 PM
becoz intelligent always ruled.And if you don't stride to be on your future generations will again be ruled by someone whois working hard at present
Yes it is true, even employment chances are been sacrificed under quota system. In a govt sector, thro the help of one minister, a very very rich guy managed to get into a govt job, thro quota system. There is no need for him to go for a job, earn money to eat and live. Their family assets is more than enough for them to live with. Still as a selfish mode, with the help of a casteist minister he managed to get that govt job. Unfortunately, it happened in congress govt, in kerala.
Indians who dont think beyond reservation cannot save this nation ....its already late... The overall percentage of so called minorities is more than the majority....so quota system is just vote bank politics....
The truth is these so called professionals coming from quota system are ruining the country with no knowledge & vision just shortcut success....with corruption....
in the history of india major role was played by many from upper caste be it freedom moment/reforms and list is endless ....and these people never got any quotas....but by sheer hard work and determination....
Unless India becomes true democracy with inclusive growth we cannot bring change....
Re: Quota System & Vote Bank
by Manoj Kumar on Aug 11, 2010 09:58 PM
Yeah.... Indian will never think beyond reservation, before reservation came into effect who was discriminating against whom it's known fact. Now coming to quota people ruining this country, all the SCAMS, since 1947, you can't find any professional over there. Current e.g. CWG scam. History has been written in the way upper caste people wanted that's why we have Arjuna Award not Eklavya award.
But who cares? This is India...After Bhopal Disaster someone created a song "IF YOU WANT TO COME TO INDIA BETTER JUMP INTO A WELL"
Reservation is in fact like helping a disabled man to run marathon by promoting him from Start line to finish line, while the other man keeps on running all the way for 30kms. And that is why Americans rejected it, But they have in the end elected a Black as President in white house over his competencies and not on reservations.
Here, people will surely fight for subsidies and subsidies and support systems - (can be compared to Life support systems in Hospitals) as BIRTH RIGHTS rather than prove it right.
All people who do not get admissions and jobs due to reservations - BETTER JUMP INTO A WELL.
The core cause of Corruption is now the protectionism offered by Reservations in Government systems. Even in courts, the judicial system is biased against Brahmins who are less than 4% of Indian population but form 80% of Human Resources.
Should It be not Based on Geography & Financial Status after 60 years of reservations.
Even Dr.Ambedkar had originally put the task of reservation for 20Yrs. He burnt the modified constitution copy before his death.
As I mentioned above, PEOPLE WOULDN'T STRUGGLE AND PROVE THEMSELVES. MOST WILL RATHER TAKE SUPPORT SYSTEMS AS BIRTH RIGHT. SO BETTER BE BED-RIDDEN.
People be VIRTUOS. DON'T TAKE SUPPORT SYSTEMS AS BIRTH RIGHTS. BE BRAVE AND LEA
Re: Something More....
by Anand Pandey on Aug 11, 2010 05:22 PM
People should not jump into the well. If things don't improve from here people either should try to change the constitution which is ammended many times or demand for a seprate country. Quota system is nothing but a political tool.
Re: Something More....
by Sanjay on Aug 11, 2010 05:22 PM
Probably the the lack of interested in development of proper resources like schools and higher education. In America anyone wanting education can get one in fact there are too many seat available that they desperately look for foreign students to fill them.But with India there is too much corruption people wanting education are deny the right to get a seat at any decent college, and there are too few of them. This what they wanted the government divide and conquer, because th Babus political raj does not wish to develope do the society is at each others troaths by vote bank poltics . While Americans are least worried about these things as in foreign. Why the USG places so many restrictions on open colleges and Universities.
Re: Something More....
by sethu raman on Aug 11, 2010 05:14 PM
Hare Kar.... its full of arrogance, when u compare a low cast guy with a disabled. I can see that you sound educated but not in a proper way. Please try to have some broader view
Re: Re: Something More....
by Anand Khatavkar on Aug 11, 2010 05:24 PM
No use arguing with a person whose mind wanders only in cabaret. Its like wrestling in muk, you can only make ownself dirtier..
Re: Re: Something More....
by Anand Khatavkar on Aug 11, 2010 05:24 PM
No use arguing with a person whose mind wanders only in cabaret. Its like wrestling in muk, you can only make ownself dirtier..
Re: Re: Re: Something More....
by sethu raman on Aug 11, 2010 05:26 PM
kar answer for my question.... what u said pretty much argont to compare a disabeled person to a low caste guy. First you come out of ur mindset.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Something More....
by sethu raman on Aug 11, 2010 05:32 PM
Even its arrogance... if you refer like that. The fact of quota system is the poor ones should be given the chance which was deprived for so many centuries. It is just to ensure justice for them..
We have quota every where. It starts with parliament. It goes upto Village Panchayat.
We never think about creating more opportunities. We only think about more reservations. We are very happy to see that reservation is no more an election issue. Because it already reached 60-70%. Better they make it 100% so that it will not be an election issue.
We have a system where people join politics to earn money. They mentor rowdies and goons. We can not expect politicians to think about country and people.
Justice is denied to poor people. They forced to take up arms. SOme of them convert to christianity for money. Then they are told to abuse their own mother land.
Country is pulled in all directions by various vested interests. Criminals and Missionaries is one such vested interest.
Re: This is called as Karma
by Truly Secular on Aug 11, 2010 05:12 PM
Do you think you get benifited by abusing some one? Do you think country can progress with such mindset?
Re: Re: This is called as Karma
by abcde on Aug 11, 2010 05:17 PM
India will never progress, all are fighting here.. :) incl everyone..its the mentality. ppl dont stop abusing where as the others retaliate..sell urselves ppl and go to sleep u and indians are shite.
Re: Re: This is called as Karma
by sethu raman on Aug 11, 2010 05:21 PM
hahah Shashwat its difficult educate you.... its simply like if I ask... can u be whatever u r without your upper caste impression?
Re: Re: Re: This is called as Karma
by shashwat kirwai on Aug 11, 2010 05:40 PM
hoho my uppercaste has nothing to do with my education. infact if i were obc i might get better college.
Re: Re: Re: Re: This is called as Karma
by sethu raman on Aug 11, 2010 05:48 PM
oh really i wonder how god creates people with so much talent and for some other with no talent.... is he not be called as b*a*s*t*a*r*d?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: This is called as Karma
by shashwat kirwai on Aug 11, 2010 06:07 PM
nobody is equal, secret is to accept the difference. god only help those who help themselves.
Re: Re: all because
by abcde on Aug 11, 2010 05:10 PM
including bjp.. all the bjp leaders are known for infidelity towards their married ones, what a joke of them ruling the country, i hope there exists no government nor politics in india, better to be under british rule..
Re: Re: Re: all because
by Subbu on Aug 11, 2010 05:16 PM
Then in that case, let it be presidency rule. Emergency declared. Bring uniform civil code. Let the president be either Dr.Abdul Kalam, or Narendra Modi
