Every one here on this forum is talking only about the so called menace of caste based reservtion but there is not a single comment on the Minority Reservation both religious as well as Linguistic Minorities obviously because none of them have felt the pinch of this reservation. Last year one of my neighbourhood orphan child from open catagory secured 90% marks in 10th standrad and applied for admission to science stream in the college managed by Sindhi Trust which is in the vicinity of his house. Here 50% seats are reserved for only Sindhis. The orphan child could get admission only in the third list and that too an UNAIDED SEAT where as the Sindhi students getting much less marks could comfortably secure admission with AIDED SEATS. The not so well educated mother of the child who is widow is running from pillar to post to secure funds for her child's education . Is this the equality before law we should be pround of ? Incidentally some one on this post has rightly commented upon the seats secured by paying heavy capitation fees in some private colleges run by the autonomous universities . What quality do you expect from the wards of these wealthy people? Is is not an injustice on poor candidates irrespective of his caste? If you demand abolition of reservation then reservation of all sorts should be abolished and there should also not be auction of paid seats under the guise of Management Quota.
Re: Minority reservation.
by Shailendra Kulkarni on Aug 12, 2010 10:16 PM
In Mumbai, many linguistic communities (like Tamil, Kannada, Malayalam) are doing the same thing for decades... Now, these people have started their own schools (exclusively for their own people).. And this is when the same people do not tolerate other languages in their own home states....
I think it is not the education system. It is the caste system which is the real killer of talent. If the education was given equally we would have been a developed nation. After the quota system..this so called few upper caste people have make fake certificates as SC and used the advantage of it instead of the people who desverved it.
Re: caste system is the real killer of talets
by Vijay on Aug 12, 2010 07:55 PM
Before you bluff, read the history of India. Education was given to all in ancient India until the British came to India. Even in Manu Sastra, only Vedas were forbidden for lower castes and learning Vedas is of no use in today's material world.
It is the British rule that spoilt Indian Education system and our historians paid by British are attributing all to caste system. Caste system was prevalent in India but untouchability came in very late in the game.
Re: You narrow minded creature!
by Onkar Mukherjee on Aug 12, 2010 09:53 AM
people embra naxalims bcause they are dimwits acording to you. Let there be light.
Re: Re: You narrow minded creature!
by Sebastian Cherukanam on Aug 12, 2010 10:08 AM
Not because they are dimwits but because they are not counted when it comes to progress and as a result, the one sided (vertical) growth creates an adverse impact in their daily life. When people face this for long, they are forced; I repeat they are forced with no choice left.
Also students from other communities develop depression, suicidal tendencies, and criminal inclinations. Many have committed suicide due to the system.
1. In india how many ppl. actually know what they exactly want to do with their career. Very few who are actually focussed. Else most of the ppl are guided by their parents who just see if the stream has the potential of earning a good money for their kids or not. S: Parents should guide their kids to know what is their interest and then help them to pursue their career.
2. Cracking the entrance exams by mugging up is not that difficult. ppl. go to the best coaching classes and their mind is trained in that direction. So somehow they crack the exam. Does that make them talented and those who couldnt untalented.
3. Technical institutes - How much stress is given on trying new things, to try to do some innovations. The same theory is taught to them. Some of them good enough to mug these things up and score good. So is that really a talented guy.
I think there must be exception to all of these. But that will be around 10-15% and I am talking it irrespective of caste. So rest of them are waste or they are just unfocussed. What is the meaning of talented. Every person is talented. How do you caliber that is the point. Very few recognizes the real potential. Is getting good marks or getting a degree in engg. or medical is the talent.
Dr.Basu is absolutely right .We are i n the 21 century and under democracy .What nonsense we are talking of being exploited for centuries .We as a nation encourage by this policies incomepitence and poor peroformance. When begging is easy why work hard seems to be the moto. When all the time we want caste to be included in the Census Why not make it mandatory every one should put sC,ST,OBC,Minority etc by the side of their degrees particularly Engineers ,Doctors ,CA,s or Architects etc .So we knoe which leach we need to avoid .The so called Criminals are today politicians so much so that biggest bad word we use for any is call him politician .Sixty years we allowed ra*pe of merit even the so called visionary or architech of this non sense did not foresee the damage.The earlier we get rid of this nonsense the better it is for the nation to become a super power . We are already facing the music - corruption and good for nothing doctors and bureaucrats - the worst is yet to come . Beeging is easier -so I find it easier for taking alms than working .finally reservation is not a solution - it is multiplying the problem .give then everything free but the joke*rs should be meritorious.
Re: CONGRATULATIONS.
by HRM on Aug 12, 2010 09:20 AM
I agree with u that we live in the modern 21st Century. The nonsense that we are talking is about the age Old caste system. For all practical purposes, the caste system in India is not abolished but modernised along with age and wisdom. If u really want to enjoy Elitism, and in toto then abolish casteism by choosing talents from the lower strata of the communituy. Otherwise both will repel with each other and it is dangerous to a society like India.
THE ABOVE IS A CANCER BECAUSE TOP RECRUITERS ASK WHETHER THE CANDIDATE HAS TAKEN BENEFIT OF QUOTA.POLITICIANS ARE REAPING THE RICH HARVEST BY ABOVE & THEY THEMSELVES DON'T GET TREATED BY QUOTA DOCTORS.QUOTA HAS DIVIDED THE STUDENTS IN TWO CATAGORIES A. QUOTA B. GENERAL. THE ANSWER TO THIS IS TO TO GIVE ADDITIONAL 5%-10% OF MARKS OBTAINED IN QUALIFYING EXAM. AFTER THIS THERE WOULD BE OPEN COMPETITION & THOSE AVAILING QUOTA ADVANTAGE CAN DO ONLY ONCE DURING THEIR LIFE TIME IN EDUCATION OR JOB. SCRAP THE QUOTA SYSTEM AFTER 25 YEARS.
THESE DIRTY POLITICIANS DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE PAINS OF GENERAL CLASS CANDIDATE NOT GETTING A SEAT WITH 51% MARKS BUT "QUOTA" STUDENT GETS ADMISSION WITH ZERO OR NEGATIVE MARKS.
After these caste based general survey approved by cabinet recently everything ought to be according to quota; UPA Chair Person, PM, President, Supreme and other courts judges, Army Generals, Ministers; nothing should be on merit. There could be some private seats up for sponsorship similar to engineering and medical colleges. The person with the lowest mark and maximum number of attempts at exams must get top priority for his determined pursuit of excellence. The pass marks for them must be lowered to 15 after awarding 10 grace marks. The backward class students age limit for all admissions and jobs may be raised to 50 and retirement limit may be 75. Their pension may be double that of meritorious candidates. Their eligibility for pension could be 5 years service after excluding paternity/maternity/sick leaves.If PM or President falls sick or wants to fly he must be attended to or flown by a SC/ST doctor or pilot. Meritorious candidates' first appointment must be in North east, J & K, or Andaman, Lakadives; There could be quota of Bharat ratnas, Khel ratna awards reserved for backward, most backward, adivasis,SC/T.
Re: Reservation Policy
by True Indian on Aug 12, 2010 08:50 AM
That is correct. Reservation or no reservation, the corruption is anyway in place. Remove corruption, remove casteism and remove reservation.... Unfortunately in many places even the educated ppl. asks the first thing is about caste. If that doesn't go it will be impossible to remove reservation.
Dr.Sanjaya Basu When he was just 10 years old typed a one-page weekly news letter and had it circulated. Without his parental guidance, he would not hv done it.
In India How many parents are educated? 35% of our population are uneducated and only 15% reach the high school level. Out of 10 only 1 gets into tertiary education ( Top management Institution ). Dr. Sanjaya Basu's can afford his daughter a higher education in abroad. Only few can afford it. It is the quota system that benefits the backward students to hv an access to education. Otherwise, the educational system in India would hv been colonised and the illetracy rate would b even more unimaginable. I strongly disagree that in india, a student can get admission only if he is found elite. elitism may also sometimes lead to situations in which a group of people might claim to possess high abilities or simply an in-group or cadre grant themselves extra privileges at the expense of others. In a Caste ridden society like India, who will come under the bracket "elitism"? So the concept "Elitism" for seeking admission in University is not acceptable. Elitism can be there in other selected fields but should not be there in INDIAN educational system.
Re: Dr Sanjaya Baru statement is dangerous
by baski on Aug 12, 2010 08:55 AM
Kalanidhi Maran is backward because of his caste as is Karunanidhi. He has sponsored the costliest movie ever. It is not economic backwardness that spurs quota. It is the so called social backwardness. This is intended to strictly remove brahmins and eliminate them using state sponsored methods. Parties have come to power on this plank in Tamil Nadu. Nobody cares for the poor. They can be fed free rice and given free colour tvs in order to keep quiet and vote again.
Re: Re: Dr Sanjaya Baru statement is dangerous
by nandakumar swamy on Aug 12, 2010 11:32 AM
Its just beacsue of looted money and gov favour for him in A-z thats why he is grown....
Re: Re: Dr Sanjaya Baru statement is dangerous
by HRM on Aug 12, 2010 09:32 AM
Mr.Baski, if u feel a community is displaced,then u too can fight for a quota
Re: Re: Re: Dr Sanjaya Baru statement is dangerous
by Uday on Aug 12, 2010 12:10 PM
Quota for any "communitity" will not solve the problem. It should be based on economic condition...
Re: Dr Sanjaya Baru statement is dangerous
by Pranav B on Aug 12, 2010 09:14 AM
Backward and poor needs upliftment. that does not mean we have to put down the talented. It is possible that both can be helped.
Re: Re: Dr Sanjaya Baru statement is dangerous
by HRM on Aug 12, 2010 09:23 AM
Mr.Pranav, that is exactly what the society needs. One should not displace the other to gain an inch of space
Re: Dr Sanjaya Baru statement is dangerous
by kaushal jha on Aug 12, 2010 10:48 AM
and who is against free education.I am ready to pay extra tax for someone who can't afford education but wud never agree to see a doctor who is a doctor not coz he was intelligent but born privileged.And how quota system helps you get into colleges, by allowing you not to work hard.Rather the point you missed here is that poor students should be given free education.
Re: Dr Sanjaya Baru statement is dangerous
by mahesh bule on Aug 12, 2010 08:58 AM
I am strongly opposing your statement. As Dr. Baru said quota system on the basis of cast is totally disappointing, its very true. It has to be on the basis of economic basis. You can see, the most educated family (rich) of backward classes are taking advantage of quota system but those who actually need it they are very apart from this facility. For this elitism is only option. In economically backward (not on basis of cast) quota also there should be merit.
Re: Dr Sanjaya Baru statement is dangerous
by bhagat singh on Aug 12, 2010 08:47 AM
His statement is true and that is the fact 'Good students are sacrificed for the quota system'... But now the more dangerous issue is privatisation of education, and it seems like UCG is spoiling the technical education quality of the country, by offering them Deemed University status left and right. UGC is not the governing of Technical Education nor it knows ABCD of it but the funny thing it is recognising them.
Re: Re: Dr Sanjaya Baru statement is dangerous
by True Indian on Aug 12, 2010 08:56 AM
I agree with Prabhakar. I still know the places where casteism is practiced at large. Politicians garner them for the political support and this menace still remains in place. In Maharashtra itself few days back when ppl. come to know that their mid-day meal are prepared by backward class ppl. they refused to eat and demanded to remove him...... Such cases raises the doubts what will happen to such ppl if reservations are removed. If they are treated right now like this, with no reservations they will have place to go.
