Advani's singular projection of himself was considered as a master stroke since it worked in the Gujarat elections when Modi was projected. Arun Shourie nixed their chances when he pop-upped Modi's name. Varun could have said the same thing in a moderate language- I dont know what sort of poetry he writes, must be trash. This is what the public remembered. BJP never went speaking coherently about alternative governance and what they would do.They were busy bad mouthing. The issues were so large and any incumbent government would have fared dismally with the baggage- except for the nuclear deal and the economic crisis ( we have done better than the rest of the world)- and these issues were never taken up forcefully- thus the public lost track only to be jolted by Arun and Varun and send them scurrying for succour.
For their so called 'agenda'...Ram may have well said.... As a King I must be in the people's hearts, I must have the people in my heart at all times. Puranas say... Remember Him if you want.. but if you remember Him and later discard Him. He will not return.
Like BJD in Orrissa, JDU in Bihar, CongI in Andra, BJP in Karnataka, HP, MP, Chhattisgarh, Jharkahnd, Gujrat did well. All this because of good local governance. Now in Maharashtra, UP the vote division played a role. In Kerla, WB it was strong anti-Left wave. In Panjab, Rajastan Hariayana CongI did well and BJP didn't. All things which could go well for CongI went well.
Good thing is that we have a proper mandate to a party. Now, let's hope the govt delivers on the promise.
BJP is the party of FEW Upper Class Hindus... (Guj Money lenders) (marwadi business men)
They ruled past generations considering themselfs are gods own men..
They made caste system and kept fellow hindus as slaves in their own country...
If they considered their fellow dalits as equal, NO British, NO Arabs, NO Pathans, NO French .... etc,,, would have entered our country.....
Come back as a natinal party acceptable to all cultures, languages and religious groups of India.. UNITY in DIVERSITY is INDIA... NORTH to SOUTH... EAST to WEST..
Still they dont let their daughters marry a Lower Class Hindu.. are they equal???
Conversion is like change votes from BJP to Congi or Congi to BJP.. Conversion of Mind is your own personal issue.
Why you and me not getting CONVERTED.... I have a JOB.. I have an income....I am indepent BJP policies was against.....PEACE...UNITY...& STABILITY...
BJP want to build temples & masjids all over India NOT JOBS.....not Development of Poor people by support.....
Re: BJP need to change...a Convertion is needed...
by shubhankar sharma on May 17, 2009 05:20 PM
i am shocked at the amount oif poison that runs in your veins. shocked. all that u have writeen is crap. total crap. bjp was not even in existence when india was undergoing the caste system menance. are u aware that bjp had the largest number of MP;s in last lok sabha? that narendra modi, sviraj chauhan, yediyurappa, kalyan singh, uma bharti etc are all OBC leaders? what are u talking about? have some shame man. have some shame. dont lie and show ur frsutration on the message board. u suufer from an inferirity complex. its no one's fault. it is ur fault. leave the stigm and joing all others in the main stream. u will find there is no one stoopiing u.
Re: Re: Re: BJP need to change...a Convertion is needed...
by shubhankar sharma on May 17, 2009 05:26 PM
u have not replied to my facts? why not? cant u accept them? why double stndards?
Re: Re: BJP need to change...a Convertion is needed...
by ram on May 17, 2009 05:27 PM
Great Joke Shubshankar..........you would make the next jhonny lever...........
Re: Re: Re: BJP need to change...a Convertion is needed...
by shubhankar sharma on May 17, 2009 05:34 PM
again 'ram' u ahve not replied regrading the facts. abuses and tomfoolery is ok, but specific reoly woukld be better.
Re: Re: BJP need to change...a Convertion is needed...
by sam george on May 17, 2009 06:04 PM
why does the truth appear to be poison. the bjp only talks about ram mandir and ram sethu and never about poverty eradication or Dalit upliftment. they are agitated more about cow slaughter than about Dalit genocide. the bjp are the present representatives of the ancient brahmins who divided India for their benefit. the bjp is anti-Muslim, Christian, Dalit & Tribal and neutral to OBC because of their numbers. the bjp is truly anti-national.
Like BJD in Orrissa, JDU in Bihar, CongI in Andra, BJP in Karnataka, HP, MP, Chhattisgarh, Jharkahnd, Gujrat did well. All this because of good local governance. Now in Maharashtra, UP the vote division played a role. In Kerla, WB it was strong anti-Left wave. In Panjab, Rajastan Hariayana CongI did well and BJP didn't. All things which could go well for CongI went well.
stunning ,stinging & stinking is the defeat of BJP at the national level calls for a serious revamp of think tank of so called ideology . the party will have to chart out a new course project a youthful team hitherto represented by the likes pramod mahajan focus on national issues like economic development ,security issues rather than wasting time in rotten issues like hindutva ,temple building and fail to polarize voters don a pan indian face rein in fringe elements like balthackery who foment parochial tendencies become a self reliant party not depending on clutches of allies now the role of bjp is all the more important what with a compromising congress in power let bjp spread length and breadth of the nation and come to power 2014 with an youngleader.
Re: waning influence of hindutva
by arjun on May 17, 2009 05:00 PM
WHY?????? BLAME ADVANIII....
BJP need to change... Convert...
BJP is the party of FEW Upper Class Hindus... (Guj Money lenders) (marwadi business men)
They ruled past generations considering themselfs are gods own men..
They made caste system and kept fellow hindus as slaves in their own country...
If they considered their fellow dalits as equal, NO British, NO Arabs, NO Pathans, NO French .... etc,,, would have entered our country.....
Come back as a natinal party acceptable to all cultures, languages and religious groups of India.. UNITY in DIVERSITY is INDIA... NORTH to SOUTH... EAST to WEST..
Still they dont let their daughters marry a Lower Class Hindu.. are they equal???
Conversion is like change votes from BJP to Congi or Congi to BJP.. Conversion of Mind is your own personal issue.
Why you and me not getting CONVERTED.... I have a JOB.. I have an income....I am indepent BJP policies was against.....PEACE...UNITY...& STABILITY...
BJP want to build temples & masjids all over India NOT JOBS.....not Development of Poor people by support.....
Now that we are introspecting, lets try and be honest over here... If one has to look into his own eyes and ask if people involved in mass killings or people and having blood tainted hands should represent out country? When US, UK, etc... don't want to give them visas & even allow entry in their respective countries... We genuinely missed Vajpayee or someone like his clean image... It's not about minorities or Christians and Muslims in particular but it's about the innocent people getting killed and kids becoming orphans... Progress is all about forgiving and moving forward... Not about using Ram for each election as 'BJP' and then for the sake of power and chair locking Ram and keeping Ram aside as 'NDA'. An overhaul is required... Also, BJP should expedite cases against Advani & Modi and get them locked up and hanged once & for all...
Re: BJP is a genuinely good party but Advani & Modi are crimi
by arjun on May 17, 2009 05:00 PM
WHY?????? BLAME ADVANIII....
BJP need to change... Convert...
BJP is the party of FEW Upper Class Hindus... (Guj Money lenders) (marwadi business men)
They ruled past generations considering themselfs are gods own men..
They made caste system and kept fellow hindus as slaves in their own country...
If they considered their fellow dalits as equal, NO British, NO Arabs, NO Pathans, NO French .... etc,,, would have entered our country.....
Come back as a natinal party acceptable to all cultures, languages and religious groups of India.. UNITY in DIVERSITY is INDIA... NORTH to SOUTH... EAST to WEST..
Still they dont let their daughters marry a Lower Class Hindu.. are they equal???
Conversion is like change votes from BJP to Congi or Congi to BJP.. Conversion of Mind is your own personal issue.
Why you and me not getting CONVERTED.... I have a JOB.. I have an income....I am indepent BJP policies was against.....PEACE...UNITY...& STABILITY...
BJP want to build temples & masjids all over India NOT JOBS.....not Development of Poor people by support.....
Re: BJP is a genuinely good party but Advani & Modi are crimi
by Shri Hegde on May 17, 2009 04:56 PM
who cares if our leaders don't get visa from these west countries? The same countries would have lined up to give visa's if these people had come to power. The same west supported Suddam and Pinnochet when they were in power. Let's not measure ourselves thru the barometer of west.
Re: BJP is a genuinely good party but Advani & Modi are crimi
by Saket Gadkari on May 17, 2009 04:57 PM
Have you gone insane talking about hanging leaders?????? terrorists like Abzal Guru and Kasab are enjoying free services of Indian government whereas the free ones like Dawood are enjoying themselves in Pakistan
Re: Re: BJP is a genuinely good party but Advani & Modi are c
by Sameer Mehta on May 17, 2009 05:10 PM
I agree with you that Afzal & Advani are one & the SAME!!! Actually Kasab & Advani are one and the SAME as they both (& even Modi!) are responsible for killings of innocent people... Whereas Afzal did NOT kill any innocent but attacked the parliment... And Parliment is the place where India's MOST CORRUPT people who are criminals turned politicians stay... So Afzal should get an award? Or we are saying all are criminals and because Afzal & Kasab are not getting punished, so even Advani & Modi should not get punished? Let us put them in Jail at least... Becasue they will try and use and abuse the name of Ram again! Stop them!!!
Re: Re: 26 mini elections
by tamil on May 17, 2009 04:50 PM
Arun u r right.. BJP never gave any roadp map for any development.. they were busy is throwing all blames at MMS(most decent PM India ever had)...also they said that they wil do x but they dont know how to do the x in reality... also they wer busy in caste based religion based region based division within india.. they never had maturity even when baby like varun was playing with human lives...
Sonia and Manmohan's combined charm has worked. Now I would like to ask Advani who is weak? Definitely Advani's weak and he should think about retiring and playing with his grandchildren. Instead of addressing the real concerns of India which have always been poverty, employment, better living standards, farmers etc, they have focussed on hate speeches, personal attacks, communal politics, trivial and non-essential dead issues like ram janma bhoomi, rem sethu, amarnath, terrorism etc which the common man doesn't give a damn about. Rahul Gandhi has shown more wisdom, honesty and political maturity than all the trash talking BJP top leadership put together. It just shows two young leaders in sharp contrast. Rahul who has come of age, can speak on a wide range of political issues and problems. Second is Varun who can only propel himself into limelight by making controversial hate speeches. Its clear that Varun is not anywhere near the new emerging modern and capable leaders like Scindia, Pilot, Deora and Rahul and Omar. In their hands i am confident India will be in safe hands and progress faster. Varun better learn from them or perish
Re: BJP is trash
by Harish on May 17, 2009 04:54 PM
your junk name suggests ur character i.e a dog from slums. The victory of congressis is due to bjp's internal squabbling n wrong strategy rather than the congress scums gr8 achievemnts. BJP will einvent itself and come up like a phoenix resurects itself from ashes.Congressi thugs like u can rejoice in maino, mms and raoul babas victory, but it wont be long b4 the congress party is politically obliterated 4m india's scene
Re: Re: BJP is trash
by Ajay Bansal on May 17, 2009 05:50 PM
Harish, that is only rhetoric, give us the scenario that can lead us to your vision for BJP resurrecting itself and also how Congie will decline. Otherwise, you are only living in a dream land.
Look at the young leaders of Congress - their qualifications are not the hate speech they made but education and hard work.
Re: Re: BJP is trash
by rajat samanta on May 17, 2009 05:03 PM
ya u r right slumdog, we all are going to perish from more terrorist attacks under the congress goverment
Re: Re: Re: BJP is trash
by Shadab Rabbani on May 17, 2009 05:17 PM
why all the BJP supporters after losing election (badly)are talking about more terrorist attacks???????? Is that what they have decided to do now?????? Is this a threat to the MMS government from their side?????? RSS is already having a record of indulging themselves in terrorist activities ........ So, will they become more active in future??????
Re: Re: Re: BJP is trash
by sam george on May 17, 2009 06:09 PM
bomb blasts came to India only after Advani's yatra to demolish babri masjid. Bjp is responsible for bringing terrorist attacks to India.
Now, all are talking about various mistakes BJP did while campaigning...
Where were they when campaigning was on its full swing. That time why did not they notice and those mistakes.
There is an english version of 'Jo jeeta wohi Sikander'. It is - "When you win nobody will ask, how you won. But when you lose all will preach you so many things" !!!
Secondly, I am surprised, after so many blasts/killings, price hike of essential commodities, Job-loss etc... Still if a ruling-party wins. Suspicion is obvisous on the EVM machines...
Re: Jo jeeta wohi Sikandar
by Shri Hegde on May 17, 2009 04:53 PM
How does the recounting work in electronic machine? If a computer count is x then it will be x whatever recount is done. I also start suspecting EVM, is it really electronic?
Re: Jo jeeta wohi Sikandar
by Ashwin Ramaswamy on May 17, 2009 04:29 PM
Then you mean to say recount should be done, like in case of Bush-Al Gore ? Anyway, in Tamilnadu, even though DMK won overall, Chidambaram won from his constituency Sivaganga after a recount
Re: Re: Jo jeeta wohi Sikandar
by Shadab Rabbani on May 17, 2009 05:19 PM
there r many election booths. and the results of all EVM r needed to be added
