People who have preached inequality throughout the history are crying for equality.. sure we should have reservations for brahmins, infact the maximum that their population ratio allows.. 3.5%.. Atleast that will limit their disproportional share.
Brahamin is not a cast but the one who understands Bramha. Brahmins were always ahead ever since Ramayana. This should not be treated as cast but the knowledge. The one who claims to have knowledge should not be given reservations conversly there should not be any reservation at all. We always point out at Brahmins who troubled backword cast people but thats half truth. Even if you look at the examples who broke this trend were Brahmins. The people who troubled others were rulers and not Brahmins. Reservation at any point of time is a thing means compromise on quality and hence Brahmins should not get reservations.
Why do so many young students, doctors, engineers and MBAs in India protest so vehemently against reservations-based-on-caste?
The answer lies in our primary education system.
Indian parents are obsessed with their kids performing well in their school. This only means one thing- “Get highest marks, no matter what”. There is heavy pressure on the kids to score higher and higher scores and the success in life is directly related to these marks. When I was a young kid, I used to get 5 out of 10 in all my art classes. If I had gone by what my art teacher thought of me, I would never have taken up art to become an artist. According to her, filling in the paint uniformly in those already-drawn-objects in a text book was considered art, and some girls who painstakingly filled them according to her mandate got 10 out of 10. If not for my parent’s encouragement which suggested that marks was not important and that I was more of an artist than what my marks suggested, I wouldn’t ever have taken up art in my life. Unfortunately, most parents in India judge their kids performance ONLY by their scores.
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by varghese on Apr 01, 2009 12:36 PM
now these bhramins can re write their holy scriptures by banning castism...this will then make the caste claims bogus by all sects in Hindusim and sound the deathknell of reservation..think about this..
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by deshbhakt on Apr 01, 2009 04:44 PM
mr varghese worry about your religion and other pseudo seculars. don't sell you sould to the devil by converting people. don't comment on hinduism
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by Undertaker on Apr 01, 2009 12:54 PM
varghese it time to make some changes in your holey book man. stop believing that jezuz was born to virgin .heheh You have got your facts wrong. Bible is a book trying to make a religion of a cult. Quran is a book that belittles everything that goes against the king mohammed - another cult.
Vedas is knowledge. There is no change to Vedas. What has changed is the approach to the vanar system in modern India. We are underoing a revolution in caste management in India.
Old Bible, new bible, similarly testments are all less than 2010 years old. Quran is much younger at 1300 years of age. Neither of them really qualify as religion. Quran juxtaposes itself all over. It certainly needs to be refined or re-written.
varghese it time to make some changes in your holey book man. stop believing that jezuz was born to virgin .heheh You have got your facts wrong. Bible is a book trying to make a religion of a cult. Quran is a book that belittles everything that goes against the king mohammed - another cult.
Vedas is knowledge. There is no change to Vedas. What has changed is the approach to the vanar system in modern India. We are underoing a revolution in caste management in India.
Old Bible, new bible, similarly testments are all less than 2010 years old. Quran is much younger at 1300 years of age. Neither of them really qualify as religion. Quran juxtaposes itself all over. It certainly needs to be refined or re-written.
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by VIshal on Apr 01, 2009 12:32 PM
Therefore, the kids in India study their text books very well, learn everything by-heart and reprint the text as it is to earn appreciation from everyone. There is a tendency to believe that scores are necessary-and-sufficient criteria to judge a person’s competence. The school-going kid is protected from the realities of life, and he grows up knowing only Cricket, Bollywood and School text books completely oblivious to any social issue of India. All his life, this kid is told- “Study well, score more, and you will get into IIT”. He does that and only that. But when he is about to get into IIT, he suddenly realizes that 50% of those seats are actually reserved for a section of people who can enter with lower scores just because they belong to the so called lower caste. It dawns upon him that this world is out to deny him his admission, his rightful place in this elite institute he always dreamt of. He is enraged. He asks- “How could this stupid and selfish government, just to get more votes, impose these outdated and out-of-place rules to deny me my rightful position in spite of scoring really high marks? How can I accept that someone inferior to me in ‘merit’ and ‘quality’ can actually get the seat while I stand out?”
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by VIshal on Apr 01, 2009 12:32 PM
Why do we not prepare our kids to face the harsh realities that he would eventually face? The problem is with our primary education and parenting. The school texts and teachers teach and preach the glorified version of Indian history which had a great past. But he is not taught how we had a parallel history of prolonged and systematic discrimination and persecution. All ills are hidden or compeletely ignored. The kid grows up not knowing what it means to be a Dalit and doesn’t know any Dalits. Even if he does know one, that would be an IAS officer’s son who appears to be well off. So, when he realizes that such a thing called reservations-based-on-caste exists, he immediately sees himself as ‘victim’ and this rich IAS officer’s son as ‘profiteer’. He gets infuriated because now it means that he may not get a seat into IIT while this rich IAS officer’s kid may very well enter scoring lower marks. He makes this local comparison and feels discriminated against. He rationalizes that it is all a conspiracy by the Government of India and its politicians to discriminate him- and asks - why are they doing it to him? Only because he is from forward-class! Why should he pay for something that happened long ago?
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by VIshal on Apr 01, 2009 12:32 PM
His indignation is so high that he is ready to get out onto the street, go on a hunger strike and face police brutalities- because he knows heart-in-heart that he is fighting for a just cause. Even the media’s attention and focus tells him that he is fighting for a just cause. He believes he will be heard, and that the President of India, whom he held in high esteem till date would definitely understand his cause and come to his rescue. But when all these leaders do not budge from their stand, he gets disillusioned by the system, gets frustrated. He comes up with many antics, like, sweeping the streets with a broom. What he actually wanted to show was that he will have no job and hence will have to sweep the streets now. But what he doesn’t realize is that Dalits, for centuries together, were asked to sweep the streets and sweep their own footprints because they were considered untouchable. To mimic the same atrocity is sheer mockery of their plight. I don’t know whether its ignorance or its apathy. He puts up a hoarding saying- “I will go to US since my country has disowned me”. What he doesn’t realize is that when he does go to US he has to pay $120,000 to $250,000 to get the same medical degree. In addition, during the admission process he has to face competition within his own peer group (other Indians), while a Black American, Hispanic American, or a Tahitian, with much lower scores has better chances of admission. No wonder, many Indians go to US with the same discrimin
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by VIshal on Apr 01, 2009 12:34 PM
many Indians go to US with the same discriminatory prejudices and never get the learning or schooling to change their views.Many Indians living in US are more discriminatory towards Blacks than the Whites
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by VIshal on Apr 01, 2009 12:33 PM
Our Indian gets lost both in India and in US. He can’t understand why certain sections of people are given preference though they score less. He was always told ‘merit’ was everything. Some of these disillusioned Indians, over a period of time, make an attempt to learn and adapt to the US system appreciating such affirmative actions while most others continue to live in their protected environs mixing and rubbing shoulders only with fellow forward caste Indians, watching Bollywood & Cricket and debating how Reservations and Muslims have ruined this country (India).
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by Vikram Cavale on Apr 01, 2009 01:39 PM
So Vishal..what do you want to say after all this? That Brahmins should be thrown out of India? Thats all so called forward castes should start working on streets? That all of us should abandon and understand the Vedas? OR stop going to US / UK other places where opportunity exists? OR ask our kids to stop scoring marks in schools? OR ask everybody to be a social worker? .. No,I am raising all these questions because you havent given any solution. Are you a family man btw? So are you going to practice what you preach here? Only then I am going to believe you. Typical case of an Indian hating another Indian.
I am also a person who got benefited from reservations in TN. I think there is no need for reservations in Education and jobs if everything is based on Merit and not on money. We are fighting for reservations but Why are we not fighting against management seats in colleges. Many students would have got good colleges if management seats are removed. Why not we fight against it.
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by Republican on Apr 01, 2009 12:43 PM
Nobody wants to fight against the richs.. but they are more than ready to bash the poors n downtrodden.. thats still the very indian culture
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by Undertaker on Apr 01, 2009 12:38 PM
we are against all minorites who live here and work for porkistanis like you. Donot teach us the history. we indians suffered due to your forefathers hobnobing with mercenaries,invaders and vandals,who could rule india for long time.
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by gaurav puraiya on Apr 01, 2009 12:49 PM
Dear Replier your comments are proving that the feeling of casteism is very much prevelent in your hearts and when you people stop thinking about caste lines,these castes will vanish and in effect will remove reservation politics... Now u got the answer???
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by dudehere on Apr 01, 2009 12:50 PM
hey dude he was talking about the muzz who live in this country and having hearts in porkistan....
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by Undertaker on Apr 01, 2009 12:43 PM
You have got your facts wrong. Bible is a book trying to make a religion of a cult. Quran is a book that belittles everything that goes against the king mohammed - another cult.
Vedas is knowledge. There is no change to Vedas. What has changed is the approach to the vanar system in modern India. We are underoing a revolution in caste management in India.
Old Bible, new bible, similarly testments are all less than 2010 years old. Quran is much younger at 1300 years of age. Neither of them really qualify as religion. Quran juxtaposes itself all over. It certainly needs to be refined or re-written.
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by dudehere on Apr 01, 2009 12:45 PM
and u r great kuran is acting like a manual for b/omb/ing and t/err/orism and u r still following it.... we might worship stones.. but we r not a headache to the world as u r izzlam...
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by varghese on Apr 01, 2009 12:38 PM
now these bhramins can re write their holy scriptures by banning castism...this will then make the caste claims bogus by all sects in Hindusim and sound the deathknell of reservation..think about this..but will Hindus allow the removal of caste system..this is like being born with an golden spoon..
Sattanathapuram Venkataraman Shekher is absolutely right when he talks of the attitudes of most of our politicians. They think they are gods! They grow like palm trees, no suckers around them! As for reservation for Brahmins - it is high time we removed our reservation policy which deteriorates the quality of our administration and all types of government services. Let the competent ones get the job to enable us to get competitive service. Letting the inefficient to administer can only be detrimental to our present and future generations. Ambedkars and Narayanans did not come on reservations!
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by varghese on Apr 01, 2009 12:42 PM
why blame politicians..after all they are elected by the same people of India to be their leaders..Hindus will never ban casteism because its an privelege granted by constitution of India..60% of all seats goes to Hindus as gifts..rem 40% also those other Hindus can get..so likewise all 100% pie they can eat..then blame the Minorities for all the nations problems...
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by dudehere on Apr 01, 2009 01:02 PM
arrey ch*o*otiye.. its called as general category... its not called as hi*nd*oo category.. so much for u r general knowledge...
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by dudehere on Apr 01, 2009 01:05 PM
and that general category any person can compete including muzz and christians... but only very good hardworking students... no wonder u r crying....
