To add to what has been written,Dravid was not allowed to debut in test cricket till 1996 though he proved himself in the domestic cricket for 5 yrs.......imagine Dravid debuting in 1992.....all records of SRT would have been surpassed......
Re: DRAVID
by mang on Mar 16, 2012 02:00 PM
Well said.,completely agree. Further, Dravid is not allowed to continue beyond Sachin also.. just to ensure that Sachin's records are not surpassed.
Re: DRAVID
by ashish sahu on Mar 16, 2012 02:09 PM
Imagine Sachin Dint have that back problem when he was in his peak. Imagine he dint have tennis elbow problem. imagine the no. of times he was out in ninties were centuries. imagine he was not given out wrongly.....and many more. I think u got my point.
Re: DRAVID
by rajesh gadgil on Mar 16, 2012 08:07 PM
check scores of Dravid in his first few outings for india..He was lucky to have Mr. Vishwanath is a chirman of selection commitee...so he was preferred over Kambli and Sanjay Manjrekar
Dravid does not deserve to stand with balaji. Balaji is undoubtedly big player than rahul dravid..... Rahul dravid is a big fan of Laxmipathy Balaji....
This article is based on misinterpretation of statistics, while claiming to be a 'qualitative' analysis. For records, since Dravid's debut in 1996, Tendulkar played only 149 tests to Dravid's 164, scoring 12,841 runs to Dravid's 11,894, averaging 56.16 to Dravid's 52.40 scoring 40 hundreds to Dravid's 36. While Dravid's performances have been spectacular is wins, Sachin has been equally spectacular in losing causes (when everything else was collapsing around him like in Sydney 2008)and some winning causes abroad, too. Also, there have been nummerous match-saving efforts from both, and test cricket values all of these. Dravid is an all-time great and to prove the point, there is no need to trash another all-time great. This
Re: Facts and Common Sense
by Against Pseudos on Mar 16, 2012 01:33 PM
Well said... Whilst people have held a pet grouse against media for unnecessarily hyping Sachin..
Re: Facts and Common Sense
by fink fanther on Mar 16, 2012 01:51 PM
Thats exactly what a qualitative analysis is supposed to be. It leaves out stats and sees the greater picture using an objective analysis. Using stats, you can make a monkey look like a lion.
Dravid has some fantastic achievements that Sachin lacks. This article throws light on a few.
Re: Re: Facts and Common Sense
by Jiju on Mar 16, 2012 01:55 PM
Don's avg is remembered today but the persons who gave him good support are forgotten. Unfortunately, this has been the case with Dravid. Most of the times, his performaces have been overshadowed at the cost of Sachin/Laxman's scores.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Facts and Common Sense
by fink fanther on Mar 16, 2012 02:26 PM
Well, you implied that Don (fantastic stats and avg)was a monkey. Tendulkar also has fantastic stats and avg. QED.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Facts and Common Sense
by Against Pseudos on Mar 16, 2012 02:45 PM
No. Read again. I said I never knew Sir Don was a m0nkey till YOU pointed it out. ;-)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Facts and Common Sense
by fink fanther on Mar 16, 2012 03:04 PM
Sorry, I never pointed out that sir Don was a monkey. I merely said stats can used to make a monkey look like a lion. i never took any names. it was you who interpreted my statement and brought sir don into it. Please dont attribute your faux pas as mine.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Facts and Common Sense
by Against Pseudos on Mar 16, 2012 03:54 PM
:-)...oh my apologies. So both of us think alike after all. Neither Sir Don nor Sachin is a m0nkey and both are great batsmen. ;-)
Re: Facts and Common Sense
by ashish sahu on Mar 16, 2012 02:04 PM
Shaunak, I am quite in agreement with you. People say that out of his 51 centuries we lost 11 times but they forget that we lost 4 times against SA (3 times away), 4 times Aus (3 times away), 1 against Pak (home-Chennai), 1 Against Newzealand (Away) and 1 against Eng (away). All these teams are quality oppositions and in most of these cases other batsmen failed. Even if we cosider only centuries of both batsmen when india won Sachin is well ahead of Dravid producing one winning hundred in every 4,7 matches (188/40) compared to 5,125 (164/32) of Dravid. Now all of you Sachin critics decide yourselves who is better matchwinner or match saver.
Re: Facts and Common Sense
by bluesshaman on Mar 16, 2012 03:46 PM
Am I missing something in your argument here? You say since debut Dravid has scored 11,894 runs in 164 tests. Dravid has scored 13,288 runs in 164 tests. And the author is not trashing Sachin. The argument made in this article is that while Sachin is glorified all day long, no one's giving full and commensurate credit to Indian batting's real backbone in the last 10 years. It took not just sachin, but also a very gritty vital component, a certain Rahul Dravid, to take India to the top. Before Dravid, India were just a mediocre team with a superstar batsman but never won anything of note. Ask yourself honestly, now that RD's retired, who's going to come in and guts it out when Sehwag throws away his wicket yet again within the first hour of a test match abroad? Would Sachin, "the greatest batsman", help the team by coming in at no.3 instead of his usual position, now that Dravid has retired? The question answers itself. That's why Dravid is greater.
Re: Re: Facts and Common Sense
by fink fanther on Mar 16, 2012 03:50 PM
Unfortunately sachin fans cannot see beyond stats. If all else fails in their attempt to defend him, they resort to stats. so they wouldnt be understanding questions like the one you have posed.
Re: Re: Facts and Common Sense
by rajesh gadgil on Mar 16, 2012 08:11 PM
hey but in presence of one great usually another man is shadowded...same happened with DIlip Vengsarkar when SMG was playing.
My criticism against tendulkar is not that he doesnt play for the team. every cricketer wants to do well for the team. It is just that tendulkar isnt the match winner he was 10 years back. now the team is no longer dependent on him. his run making is also highly erratic with some very poor innings followed by a couple of good ones that takes away the focus from all his poor innings where he would bat like he cant even buy a run. and add to that his insistence at skipping matches of his choice. surely this upsets the team combination at the top. his role can surely be done by other deserving players. I think his time is up in ODIs. in fact it was up a few years back. I can somewhat understand him continuing in tests.
Ravi Bhaskar has done a perfect analysis of Indian cricket.
There is no denying that Dravid is far above than Tendulka when it comes to the impact of runs in winning matches.
Tendulka was & is always interested in making those useless records. When Indian team needed him most, he has always failed. In contrast, whenever India needed, Dravid stood like a Rock and mostly so against better oppositions like Australia, Wet Indies, England.
One must find out how many centuries Tendulka made against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Canada etc. I am sure the count must be pretty high.
May be today he will make another one against Bangladesh.
Re: Perfect Analysis
by ashish sahu on Mar 16, 2012 01:33 PM
I think you must find out how many centuries Sachin has made against Aus, Sa and England. And please dont forget to check Dravid's centuries he scored against SA and Aus.
acording to me dravid was the most boring batsman to have ever played cricket.this ktka batsman was scared of fast bowling and the likes of bret li, shoib akthar, delr steyn, allan donald and even vaas took his wkt at will. he he
Re: dravid the overhyped
by samit patil on Mar 16, 2012 01:26 PM
Ravi Bhaskar has done a perfect analysis of Indian cricket.
There is no denying that Dravid is far above than Tendulka when it comes to the impact of runs in winning matches.
Tendulka was & is always interested in making those useless records. When Indian team needed him most, he has always failed. In contrast, whenever India needed, Dravid stood like a Rock and mostly so against better oppositions like Australia, Wet Indies, England.
One must find out how many centuries Tendulka made against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Canada etc. I am sure the count must be pretty high.
May be today he will make another one against Bangladesh
undoubtedly Sachin is the greatest batsman in the world, ahead of Dravid, Lara, Ponting & even Bradman. Australians also believe Sachin is greater than Bradman (their survey was 56% in favor of Sachin & 44% in favor of Bradman).
Re: no comparison
by samit patil on Mar 16, 2012 01:26 PM
Ravi Bhaskar has done a perfect analysis of Indian cricket.
There is no denying that Dravid is far above than Tendulka when it comes to the impact of runs in winning matches.
Tendulka was & is always interested in making those useless records. When Indian team needed him most, he has always failed. In contrast, whenever India needed, Dravid stood like a Rock and mostly so against better oppositions like Australia, Wet Indies, England.
One must find out how many centuries Tendulka made against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Canada etc. I am sure the count must be pretty high.
May be today he will make another one against Bangladesh
Tendulkar has played the most matches for India and yet has the lowest failure rate for batsmen.
When a batsman fails to register an impact of even 1 on the IMPACT scale, it is deemed as a failure in this system. It is remarkable that Tendulkar has the lowest failure rate amongst batsmen for India (44%) in ODI cricket. Dhoni and Sidhu run him close but they have played 190 and 131 innings (in completed matches) while Tendulkar has played a massive 433. Internationally, Tendulkar is 14th on this list, but not one of them touched even 300 innings (Gilchrist with 280 is the highest), let alone 400.
