displeasure on umpiring decision. aleem dar and dharmsena have been spot on in this match with their decisions. may be sachin wanted century at perth. but he is role model watched by millions.
Bowlers in general have performed worse than the batsmen. We did not learn from England tour at all. Both in Eng and Aus, we did not see pace bowlers showing control and discipline like their counterparts from the opposition. In patches Zaheer and Umesh Yadav bowled well. Whenever they bowled at or just short of good length and on the offstump line, they were effective. Aus batsmen are not superior, but our bowlers made them look far more formidable.
It is too early to talk about their retirement. India selectors should start slowly to groom the right players who are capable of replacing the senior players. They should not groom some one who performs well in ODI's or 20-20 but groom those who can play longer version like Chateswar Pujara, Badrinath.abhinav Mukund, RAHANE,Surya Yadav, Ashok Menaria etc. Also, the selection for Test teams should be based on the performance in Ranji Trophy/Duleep Trophy or Irani Trophy and these tournments should be conducted before indian team proceeds on an overseas tour
Re: Too early to talk about their retirement
by krishna v on Jan 14, 2012 09:31 PM
what are you talking they are 38-39.till when you want to wait - 50 ? we can see now 3s are getting converted to 2s. they are hardly energetic on field. even batting they dont seem to show any fight. How long can we wait, sooner the better. there is no college for graduation
Re: Re: Too early to talk about their retirement
by Sanjeev Rao on Jan 14, 2012 09:38 PM
My dear we are unable to find proper replacement for Sourav at No.6 position from the last 3 to 4 years trying several players but of no avail. So the process should start but should be steady with proper planning and then it will be easy.
Re: Re: Re: Too early to talk about their retirement
by Jay on Jan 14, 2012 09:47 PM
Saurav's performance overseas except Eng is average. It is far less than Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar or Laxman. Pujara is the best suited to play the No.6 place as of now.
Re: Re: Re: Too early to talk about their retirement
by FaceIt Dude on Jan 15, 2012 07:43 AM
Soiurav is the most politicised and overrated player india have ever produced.. for your information No 6 should be for a allrounder and not for a specialist batsman. Also No 6 position does not and should not be crucial as far as batting is considered. It is only a fall back position, if on occasion the top batsman fails... If that position is looked up as critical for any team from a batting persopective then there is something seriously wrong with regular batting and that needs overhauling... any takers???
Re: Re: Re: Re: Too early to talk about their retirement
by Jay on Jan 15, 2012 01:37 PM
It is not necessary that No.6 should be an allrounder. Many great sides had good batsmen at No.6. The West Indies had either Lloyd or Logie regularly at No.6 when the team was at the peak. Aus had Steve Waugh at No.6 long after he had given up bowling, when the team was at the top.
Re: Re: Too early to talk about their retirement
by Jay on Jan 14, 2012 09:41 PM
It is not a govt job to talk about retirement age. In modern sport, age is just a number, it is performance that counts. It is not about their batting. Sachin played the best cricket of his life in 2010, Dravid scored 3 centuries in the last Eng series and Laxman has batted well except in the last Eng and Aus tours.
If the opening pair's highest in 6 innings is just 24, that can leave a lot of pressure on the middle order. It is very important for openers to see off the new ball, that is why it is a specialist job.
Re: Too early to talk about their retirement
by kaala bandhar on Jan 14, 2012 09:35 PM
dude the same happened with aussies too.after retirement of gaints they were going thru a trasition phase and struglled little bit.yes u might lose few matches when young lads wd come int to the team.but from then hw u take it fwd is the real challenge.but now aussies seem to heading slowly as a good team before.during transition a team can face few deafeats never mind but if handled well cd be a successful team as well
Re: Too early to talk about their retirement
by kaala bandhar on Jan 14, 2012 09:36 PM
dude the same happened with aussies too.after retirement of gaints they were going thru a trasition phase and struglled little bit.yes u might lose few matches when young lads wd come int to the team.but from then hw u take it fwd is the real challenge.but now aussies seem to heading slowly as a good team before.during transition a team can face few deafeats never mind but if handled well cd be a successful team as well
Re: Too early to talk about their retirement
by kaala bandhar on Jan 14, 2012 09:37 PM
dude the same happened with aussies too.after retirement of gaints they were going thru a trasition phase and struglled little bit.yes u might lose few matches when young lads wd come int to the team.but from then hw u take it fwd is the real challenge.but now aussies seem to heading slowly as a good team before.during transition a team can face few deafeats never mind but if handled well cd be a successful team as well
Re: Too early to talk about their retirement
by george dsouza on Jan 14, 2012 11:39 PM
I think all these ex players have something to grind against dravid or laxman or its a pure psychophancy towards other senior players. there are few players in the team who have consistently failed in the foreign shores only to come back and score big scores in the dust bowls back home.dravid was the best batsman in 2011 and couple of failures and people have started calling for his head! where as sachin despite string of failures still enjoys a " touch me not" status in the team and it looks like even the so called gutsy guys like ganguly has no fire in the belly to come and ask for his retirement. there are holy cows here too, no doubt laxman and dravid are at the fag end of their career and sooner than later they will bow out! but stop annointing god like staus on other senior players too! In all its would be bye bye for test cricket in India once the troika fades in to the oblivion
More than others, it is the captain who is not tuned to the Test match requirements. Keeping defensive fields after 10-15 overs, his attitude is similar to playing a 50 over game. In England also the first Test was in balance till he opened with Raina after Tea in Eng second innings and bowled himself when there were other options. In Aus also, the first Test was in balance and we lost the mind game. In both innings, our bowlers could not attack till the last wicket as Dhoni spread the field even when there is a 30-40 partnership happened. Also even in a pitch where bowlers had support he was conceding easy singles to Hussey and Ponting and then to Hussey. These are not something that a good Test Captain should do!
More than others, it is the captain who is not tuned to the Test match requirements. Keeping defensive fields after 10-15 overs, his attitude is similar to playing a 50 over game. In England also the first Test was in balance till he opened with Raina after Tea in Eng second innings and bowled himself when there were other options. In Aus also, the first Test was in balance and we lost the mind game. In both innings, our bowlers could not attack till the last wicket as Dhoni spread the field even when there is a 30-40 partnership happened. Also even in a pitch where bowlers had support he was conceding easy singles to Hussey and Ponting and then to Hussey. These are not something that a good Test Captain should do!
sachin finally scored his 100 against kenya in sivaji park.
only two kenyans were allowed to play . one bowler and one keeper . and once the great sachin scored 10 there were no appeals to be made of lbw or catch or run out . but despite this he was out for 34.
Did you know, in his entire career of more than 20 years - 51 centuries - 15000 runs, Sachin has been the man of the match for a test win outside subcontinent only once that was against New Zealand in Hamilton. March 2009. Now, does sachin play for records or victories..its your guess. stats courtesy - cricinfo
Although Indian Team is all in a mess but a young Indian commentator, perhaps the youngest is surely making his mark. He can solve India's current problems. He is Mr. Ganguly aged 45.Please refer to him for coming out of the current crisis. disclaimer: No responsibility taken for implementing his suggestions.
Re: Dismal show by India but some solace
by Jay on Jan 14, 2012 09:50 PM
His average overseas outside Eng is nowhere compared to Sehwag, Dravid, Sachin and Laxman. And Eng was nowhere near current level, when he scored those runs! I am not against Ganguly, but do not think that anybody can score runs just because these big guns failed.
Re: Dismal show by India but some solace
by Jay on Jan 14, 2012 09:50 PM
His average overseas outside Eng is nowhere compared to Sehwag, Dravid, Sachin and Laxman. And Eng was nowhere near current level, when he scored those runs! I am not against Ganguly, but do not think that anybody can score runs just because these big guns failed.
Re: Dismal show by India but some solace
by Jay on Jan 14, 2012 09:51 PM
His average overseas outside Eng is nowhere compared to Sehwag, Dravid, Sachin and Laxman. And Eng was nowhere near current level, when he scored those runs! I am not against Ganguly, but do not think that anybody can score runs just because these big guns failed.
Re: Dismal show by India but some solace
by Jay on Jan 14, 2012 09:53 PM
His average overseas outside Eng is nowhere compared to Sehwag, Dravid, Sachin and Laxman. And Eng was nowhere near current level, when he scored those runs! I am not against Ganguly, but do not think that anybody can score runs just because these big guns failed.
Re: Dismal show by India but some solace
by Jay on Jan 14, 2012 09:53 PM
His average overseas outside Eng is nowhere compared to Sehwag, Dravid, Sachin and Laxman. And Eng was nowhere near current level, when he scored those runs! I am not against Ganguly, but do not think that anybody can score runs just because these big guns failed.
Re: Dismal show by India but some solace
by Jay on Jan 14, 2012 09:56 PM
His average overseas outside Eng is nowhere compared to Sehwag, Dravid, Sachin and Laxman. And Eng was nowhere near current level, when he scored those runs! I am not against Ganguly, but do not think that anybody can score runs just because these big guns failed.
If sachin is a greatest batsman, and a so called (media projected, rss supported) GOD of cricket then why couldnt he save a single match in England and Australlia......STOP pampering Sachin...He should retire with whatever grace left.
Re: Sachin - Please retire
by kareem on Jan 14, 2012 09:30 PM
Dear frind , he is the top scorer and only one positive batesman in this series , o(e in indian side) why u hate sachin what was doing our captain, u may think he is gteat, but, you know what is dhoni skill? Palms cutters fan assosiation, that is indian cricket lovers? Or shikk shambo lovers?
