The objective of reservtion policy was right when we got independence and at that time. Today, the policy is absolutely abused by elites. i give example of very famous case, Devyani Khobragade. Her father, availed benefits in education, in jobs while getting promotions and ULTIMATELY GOT SHIFTED TO IAS CADRE while in Government of Mharashtra Services. Availed benefits of various flats in Government quota. This is besides their ancesterol lands in Candrapur district of maharashtra. This was followed by Devyani. In claiming financial benefits while studying, in claiming seat in IFS cadre, in promotions while in IFS cadre, in getting desired posting in US by adopting SC card and denying position to some other officer who was already selected, in getting allotment of flat of Crores of Rupees in Meera Society in Lokhandwala Complex, Mumbai, selling the same flat for few crores rupees, getting another flat in Govt. quota again worth crors of rupees, AND THEREAFTER GETTING FLAT IN INFAMOUS ADARSH SOCIETY denaying rights to Kargill war martiyars (obviously due to high influence of her IAS father who was in key position of BEST commissioner- and BEST land was partially given to Adarsh society for increased FSI). And same devyani married to American Citizen, hiding the fact from Ministry while getting the posting in US. And all of us know her fiasco bringing shame to country. AND DONT BE SURPRISED IF HER CHILDREN CLAIM RESERVATION BENEFITS.
Re: ABUSE OF RESERVION POLICY
by youngcitizen on Sep 03, 2015 09:33 PM
when it comes to any benefits indians prefer own caste,own religion etc etc etc.when it come to quota indian talk of merit. when it comes to own benefits they never says no.when it comes to others benefits indians shout merit..whats this nonsense???? we are selfish very selfish people..very mean ..we never look into ourselves than others benefits..this is shameless.we never talk of removing poverty,garbage,gender gap,illiteracy etc topics. we are time wasters nothing else.no new discoveries are made here except growing pollution and population and adopting fake western fashion
As rightly pointed out, caste based reservation is outdated. Neverthe less,still several backward class people are denied reservations because of their illeteracy and poor economic conditions. I dont think any one will have objections if they are given reservation benefits. best solution is, continue reservations to backward class as per constitutional provisions, BUT NO BENEFIT TO THE CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN OF (either parents-mother & father): 1)Those who availed reservation benefits 2)children of President, Governors, MPs, MLAs, Corporators etc. 3)Class I & II officers of Government. 4)Income tax payers at any time 5)Those travelled overseas for whatever reason. 6)Owners of land or any immovable propery. 7) any such other criteria. This will automatically curb the undue benefit enjoyed by elite backward class and also fulfill constitutional benefits given to backward class persons. In true sense this will help really backward class persons in uplifting them. Needless to mention that unavailed quota will automatically go to general cadre. And may be in next few years claiments of reservation benefit will be reduced to nil.
Re: RESERVATION POLICY
by on Sep 03, 2015 12:18 PM
Reservation in any form whether it is reservation for SC, ST & OBC in service & education , whether it is reservation for temple, Churche & Girza, for priest whether it is reservation for business , assembly, parliament or any kind of reservation exists in our country is very dangerous like cancer of our society. Caste system is man made system and nobody wants to eradicate this uncivilized and unscientific system from our society for their narrow selfish. If we are not abolished the caste and reservation system one day our country would divide on the basis of caste, religion and regionalism. Our enemy is not Pakistan and China , our enemy are within our country. Our only identity is Indian. No Hindu, no Muslim no Christian only humanity is the main religion. Our media are busy only how to circulate their money and business not writing anything to eradicate the evil system of our society. In India , you can see reservation exists in every sphere of life and family also. In North east and other parts lands are reserved for particular people, in temple and some institute some post are reserved for particular classes, in business and industry there also exists reservation. So, main things are our minset and attitude must be changed. No politician are bothered about the population growth, unemployment and development of our country. Corruption are exists in every sphere of our life. If we really wants to welfare our society we first remove the caste system in
Yes. Caste has become obsolete now. So please allow all people to enter all temples at all hours. Let the Khap Panchayats not meddle in intercaste marriages.
Re: Right
by youngcitizen on Sep 03, 2015 09:24 PM
indian society is caste based society. you cant deny caste in all indian matters. so dont show your own mentality in these cases.after taking reservation for long time now if anyone gets quota dont relate it to merit etc anything and make it a negative hype.
Re: Right
by b g on Sep 03, 2015 09:35 PM
Come to Tamilnadu and See. All cast people are allowed inside all temples, but quota on the basis of cast exists because of cast based politics. OBC quota in TN is almost non existent. Even other people get admitted in OBC quota. If this is removed then all the politicians in Tamilnadu would be outdone.
Re: Right
by Prakash Bedekar on Sep 03, 2015 11:09 AM
Cast and religion play major role in Indian nature and culture, what is present in the system cannot be abolished in a jiffy. However reservation has to be on the basis of financial condition of family and merit only
Re: Re: Right
by on Sep 03, 2015 02:30 PM
Wow! you want caste to stay! No issue with discrimination based on caste !Nothing to worry about dishonour killing of intercaste couples!But you want reservation based on caste to go! great bigotry!
income of only government servants, other fixed wage earners and income tax payers can be proven. It is difficult to estimate income of business men, property holders and the like. To get reservation all these people can resort to dishonest ways -- some what similar to the collector's son mentioned in the article
Re: reservation on economic basis
by b g on Sep 03, 2015 01:21 PM
Yes I agree ! Now the government may decide who should open shops and who should do business as well. If people from OBC open shops then they would not be allowed and reservations would be clamped there also.
Re: Re: reservation on economic basis
by loriky on Sep 04, 2015 10:46 AM
B G, Pls be educate yourself if you claim to be a meritorious clan. Business is a occupation of Vaishya varna and there are hundreds of castes/sub castes of VaIshya varna listed in OBCs. The first OBC to get a govt job was a goldsmith from AP.
If we go by your dictate- a brahmin must indulge in priestly activities only and thrive on donations and begging, bania must do only sales & purchase, kshatriya clan do only defense and security activities. All factories must be in hands of blacksmith, gold smiths,car-painters, potters etc belonging to OBCs.
All leather works and meat processing must be assigned to SC and ST.
Re: reservation on economic basis
by mandook raj on Sep 03, 2015 08:26 AM
There have been reports that Dr.Sheikh Abdulla does not want to forego cooking gas subsidy! Is this not condemnable? Yet the National Congress supports and defends him!! These are national heroes!!
Why reservation on the basis of Surname? It is an attempt to make a division amongst people only for political purpose by political parties.Now at this stage it is very difficult to abolish this system as "Who will bell the Cat"?
I agree caste is obsolete but not in terms of its practice,rather it is obsolete because it is an old system. In India caste is a reality and nobody can deny it even court of India justifies it. In an example a class iv employee of an office wish to be called as Dubeji/Tiwariji etc and hate to be called as chaprasi whose pay perks are a means of livelihood for his entire family. Still if you are not satisfy with my argument I would say that will a poor brahmin agree to be call as chamar? definitely answer will be no but at the same time if you give liberty to a class I officer of chamar he would desire to be called as brahmin. That is why reservation has to be on caste basis because in India it is ones caste which indicates ones social status. Since the base of Indian society is still caste first we have to annihilate caste and then form the economic base for ones categorisation. But I know no political party of India has will power to annihilate caste. I opine that all people of india be given freedom to adopt caste of his choice as it is in the case of religion and a suitable law be made to ensure this. This is the only way when casteism will go off from the society otherwise a peon/farrash/ safaiwala/Mali (class iv) of brahmin caste will continued to have pride of being brahmin rather than of being class iv employee. One more thing which seems to be filmsy in which it is said that there is no adoption of caste base profession. I want to ask how many brahmins are doing the job of mochi and chamar as pujari of temple. Definitely answer is nobody, it shows that profession are still caste based.The comment put up RSS thinker is just beyond practical and it has nothing to do with reality.
Re: Caste based mentality
by Nakuleswaran Navaratnam on Sep 03, 2015 02:36 AM
The reservations that has been on practice ought have created a good economic uplift in the respective casts. Income erases cast in practical life. Hence this should lead to abolishment of cast based reservation. After all every citizen should be on equal footing --Its fundamental right. Merit based is healthy for the Nation to.
Re: Caste based mentality
by mandook raj on Sep 03, 2015 08:27 AM
In Kerala and in many other states like UP and MP, Brahmins work as peons in various government offices and courts, while their SC masters enjoy concession! How many writers and journos come forward to give publicity to this?
Re: Caste based mentality
by abhay manudhane on Sep 03, 2015 10:23 AM
I give you idea of availing reservtion benefits to your children. You continue to have your own family name, but get yourself adopeted by SC person. Your children will automatically be SC by birth and can claim benefits. (by adoption, you can not avail benefits, but your children can). Think over it.
Sh.Vaiodyas idea is good.But difficult to implement to give justice to all as differnt community(Here community is caste and includes Muslims,Cristians etc).First divide the national cke in proportionate to the % of differnt castes.Then reserve the seat according to their economic standard.Economic criteria only shall be applied to the percentage of seats of that particular caste.Thus creamy layer concept shall be abolished.But the problem is people now has lost faith on the impartiality of the implementing authority of the system>first restore peoples confidence in transparency and fair deal.Then everything shall be over.Other ways abolish the reservation all together and give good education and training to all.But unfortunately the rural folk mostly dominated by underprevileged section of the society neither get good education or health care,some times not even good food ahall not get fair deal.State to deivide ways to bridge the gap between the underprevileged and the previleged clas.Generations required for the havee nots to reach the level of previleged class to compete evenly.At least Vaidya ji has started thinking that required to be further debated and a solution worked out.
What Shri Vaidya has stated can be considered policies of RSS. In such a case it shows that they are opposed to reservations and recommondations of Mandal commission, if such is the case why not say so clearly. Who has stopped them from abolishing reservations on the basis of cast and religion?
Re: Reservations
by Aam Aadmi on Sep 02, 2015 10:30 PM
If reservations are made on economic criteria many political parties who rely on vote bank will be jobless. And there is a hope for the economically weak sections. I see smile in the face of the poor if this implemented.
Re: Reservations
by mandook raj on Sep 03, 2015 08:30 AM
You and Your idol party the Congress and its ally the Leftists! They are the culprits who have fanned casteism and want perpetuate this in Indian social and political life.
Re: Re: Reservations
by mandook raj on Sep 03, 2015 08:34 AM
No concessions on basis of castes or communal basis. Only economic criteria. Similarly, subsidy should be restricted to poor. Not for persons like Dr.Sheikh Abdulla who claims subsidy on cooking gas, while declaring Rs.13 crore asssets to the election commission. No subsidy on caste basis. No income tax payer should get any concession. No family where the consolidated income is above poverty line should get any concession or subsidy. No legislator, MLA or MLc or MP should get any concession, even after one ceases to be such MLA or MLC or MP.
Re: Caste has become obsolete ??
by piri on Sep 02, 2015 10:15 PM
Go and suggest that caste is obsolete to the large muscled empty heads who group together under names such as the Ranvir Sena !
