Father of Atom bomb- manhattan project by
jimi cherian on Jan 10, 2015 02:53 PM | Hide replies | Hide message
Dr oppenheimer the person who lead the manhattan project took a lot of his inspiration from mahabharata which may have lead to the atom bomb. he did quote Now "I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds" from bhagvad gita. He was very fascinated with hinduism like so many westerners
Don't fight about what happened in the past. Pythagorean theorem is something that any carpenter can figure out. 21st century is that of India just as the 20th century belonged to west. Let us make contributions which the later generations will be proud of.
Re: Don't fight.
by Vik on Jan 10, 2015 03:14 PM
Not sure if a carpenter can figure out the equation , but I agree with everything else you said. History is important , but present & future are far more important because we can influence both with what we know & how we apply it to create a future that we can be proud of
anything is stated by rsss or its affiliates, nobody has the right to question it. Bcoz its from religious scriptures. If you question than there is ample chance that you shall be sent to pakkistan. The rsss people hv learnt thi art from the muzlim fundamentalists.
Re: Is it not the case ?
by Indian on Jan 10, 2015 11:42 AM | Hide message
You are talking about Samhita part of the Veda. Please read the Upanishadic part. There this Veda has imparted the highest knowledge of the Reality.
Re: Is it not the case ?
by Vascado on Jan 10, 2015 11:52 AM
I just ask you a simple question ? How can any scripture which is perceived as holy incorporate superstitions such as black magic, charms, talisman etc. ? You know black magic. It is wishing bad luck to others and praying for their destruction. This deplorable practice is even now adopted today in many customs & traditions. There is everything unholy in this. I am sure this post will be deleted by fanatics here instead of responding rationally.
Re: Re: Is it not the case ?
by Indian on Jan 10, 2015 02:45 PM | Hide message
Can you quote some verses which you actually find so offensive ? In most part of this Veda/samhita, it is aimed at healing people from physical and mental diseases.
Re: Re: Is it not the case ?
by Indian on Jan 10, 2015 02:50 PM
I have answered. I don't why it needs moderator's approval ! Please press "Show message" for the post.
Re: Re: Re: Is it not the case ?
by Vascado on Jan 10, 2015 03:14 PM
Ofcourse it is talking about healing but not by medicines. It talks about magic to heal them and that shows his scientific bankruptcy. It also deals at length on magic against the evil influence of sorcerers, demons etc., which only exposes as to how backward thoughts were then. Black magic is dealt elaborately in prayers and imprecations in the interest of Br@hm@ns.
Re: Re: Re: Is it not the case ?
by Vascado on Jan 10, 2015 03:16 PM
You can google it yourself instead of asking me to present those verses. The world knowledge is at your finger tips with the help of Science and not with the help of magic or sorcerery or demons as the Vedas want us to believe.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Is it not the case ?
by Indian on Jan 10, 2015 07:54 PM
It is not that simple Vascado. How such things work has to be understood well before discarding anything outrightly. It is all by the power of mind. Mind is strongly influenced by two factors : Faith and fear. ... BTW, I don't think you are in a mood to listen.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is it not the case ?
by Vascado on Jan 10, 2015 09:06 PM
Well, all these centuries, it is amazing to believe that nobody in India including the Sanskrit scholars took pain to understand these literatures which are supposedly rich in their scientific content, but we are asked to take an extraordinary leap of faith to believe as propogated by some here that the Germans and Americans read these literatures, understood their scientific revelations and took inspiration from them to make those inventions and discoveries. I am sorry such a proposition doesn't make rational sense to me.
[quote=Vascado]Tell me why in Indian Astrology Sun and Moon are considered as Planets rather than Star and Satellite ??[/quote]
Please understand etimology of symantics of words in English and Sanskrit or for that matter cannot not the same. "Graha" in Sanskrit is not exact translation of "Planet". Grahas are celestial bodies in Sanskrit and the scholars at that time didn't feel they needed more words to differentiate between the planets and stars. The differentiation comes only after you acquire deep knowledge of differences and then you coin a separate word for that. For Astrology and for spiritual purposes using one common name was enough for the ancient Indians.
Re: Vascado's question
by subir gupta on Jan 10, 2015 09:39 AM
Was Issac Newton an Indian Astrologer? If not then obviously he learned the law of motion from an Indian Rishi.
Re: Vascado's question
by Vascado on Jan 10, 2015 11:59 AM
Well the point is Stars, Planets and Satellites have diametrially different characteristics as per cosmic explanation. So to treat them as one is akin to considering apples and oranges as similar by saying both are pretty much the same. Ofcourse both are fruits but they have diametrically different characteristics and they differ with the content, size, taste, composition etc. you cannot say they are one although they belong to the fruit family. Your argument above is pretty much similar and doesn't make any logical sense. If those scholars at that time were unable to differentiate between planets, stars and worse still even a Satellite, it just goes to show their limitations and deficit of intelligence rather than their vast knowledge as you try to portray here.
Re: Re: Vascado's question
by srik on Jan 10, 2015 01:24 PM
Hahaha... You can conveniently ignore the explanation that Graha is more like 'celestial body' that the definition of planet.
Re: Re: Re: Vascado's question
by Vascado on Jan 10, 2015 03:18 PM
You are not coming to the point. I am asking you as to why astrology couldn't differentiate between a Star, planet and a satellite. Is it so hard to grasp ?
Re: Re: Vascado's question
by Vaempuli V on Jan 10, 2015 02:09 PM
Horoscope was our way of keeping time. Till people took to astrology from horoscopes. The positions of sun, moon and 5 planets visible to the human eye and the nodal points (eclipse will occur if both sun and moon in the same nodal point or in either of the nodal points). These positions are computed from the place where a person was born. There are many sites that compute horoscopes check the position of sun and moon from places of total eclipse if it occurred. You realise the metaphor "They swallow the sun and the moon". Hope this clarifies. Just like we have solar and lunar calendar.
Re: Re: Re: Vascado's question
by Vascado on Jan 10, 2015 03:23 PM
It is not that astrology is sole Indian's preserve. There are various school of thoughts pertaining to Astrology and you have numerous denominations contradicting one another just like the law of karma. Ofcourse, there is not even an iota of evidence to prove that planetary movements determine our fate. In that case, person with the same star and raasi should be experiencing similar type of problems which is certainly not the case. It is also unclear as to whether the birth date of a child is to be taken from its point of delivery or from its conception in the womb. We know how our ancestors explained solar and lunar eclipse in a ridiculous fashion. But you interpret it as a kind of metaphor to justify their over the top explanations.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Vascado's question
by Vaempuli V on Jan 11, 2015 11:09 AM
First up you have to understand what i have said. Did you bother to check what nodal points are? What horoscopes are? Please. I have not supported astrology anywhere in my post. Are you that numbskull? Have you done your home work on checking on eclipses? If not stfu. You are a pseudo. No interest in science or a rational explanation! only parroting pathetic apologies.
Re: Vascado's question
by Vascado on Jan 10, 2015 11:59 AM
Well the point is Stars, Planets and Satellites have diametrially different characteristics as per cosmic explanation. So to treat them as one is akin to considering apples and oranges as similar by saying both are pretty much the same. Ofcourse both are fruits but they have diametrically different characteristics and they differ with the content, size, taste, composition etc. you cannot say they are one although they belong to the fruit family. Your argument above is pretty much similar and doesn't make any logical sense. If those scholars at that time were unable to differentiate between planets, stars and worse still even a Satellite, it just goes to show their limitations and deficit of intelligence rather than their vast knowledge as you try to portray here.
Re: Re: Vascado's question
by Indian on Jan 10, 2015 02:48 PM
I feel you are arguing for the sake of argument. I told you that grouping these into one set served their purpose. They didn't need further classification. Instead of saying "graha" shall we call them "heavenly bodies" which is not Sanskrit term but English ? If that satisfies you, it is ok.
Re: Re: Re: Vascado's question
by Vascado on Jan 10, 2015 03:27 PM
Ofcourse it served their purpose but the question is whether it is scientifically credible ? Sanskrit has only described it as Navagrahas and not heavenly bodies as you wish to interpret and Graha denotes a Planet.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Vascado's question
by Indian on Jan 10, 2015 08:35 PM
Today's Science doesn't talk in terms of Grahas but in terms of planets and stars because it knows much more today than it was known to the ancient Hindus. However, this doesn't mean that they should be discredited even for the things they did.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vascado's question
by Vascado on Jan 10, 2015 09:11 PM
That is really the point. Our ancestors didn't know much those days and the matter ends. Period. In this scenario, what is the point in exhibiting false pride and basking in glory that we flew planes, took inter planetary travels so on and so forth ? You can claim credit only when some thing is materialized and not by just theories which also purportedly has been stolen according to its votaries.
Re: Re: Vascado's question
by Indian on Jan 10, 2015 02:53 PM
See, you are comparing with the knowledge of ancient Hindus thousands of years ago with that of the Europeans only after 16th century. This is not fair. That way they should have known the Theory of Relativity too !
Re: Re: Re: Vascado's question
by Vascado on Jan 10, 2015 03:31 PM
Ofcourse it is not fair and that is the reason I said they had very limited knowledge of the working of the Universe. But when you people make weird claims about inventions and discoveries drawing inspiration from their findings and thus discredit the Scientists who actually invented or discovered them, then it is our duty to point out their pitfalls and their shortcomings. You cannot always be in a heads I win, tails I lose scenario.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vascado's question
by Indian on Jan 10, 2015 08:32 PM
Yes, we should not claim anything that we didn't do but should we not claim which we actually did ? I am not claiming that Hindus discovered Plank's theory or Theory of relativity or the rocket science. I am saying that they did know this theorem before it was discovered by Pythogorus.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vascado's question
by Vascado on Jan 10, 2015 09:16 PM
Nobody can prevent that. Sir CV Raman did ground breaking work in the area of light scattering and earned the noble prize. Can we be dismissive of that or the works of Ramanujam in Maths. By the way, I appreciate your honesty and plain talk. You say that some of our ancestors were already aware of the Pythogorous theorem. It is a claim which has to be proven with evidence. At this moment it is subjective and the onus lies on those making the claim.
inventions and discoveries make money too.not just call centres and movies that make money. even small inventions/discoveries can make lot of money and have huge impact.also ofcourse some inventions are hugely useful and make our lives so much better. we need to focus on inventions/discoveries.(we could start by improving existing things.lot of existing products need improvement)
Re: more inventions and discoveries needed from india
by Dev on Jan 10, 2015 07:33 AM
kerala govt has baNNED plastic bag and now people have to use a thin cloth bag.this item is quite good. kerala govt has backed an invention! hope all india uses these bags
Which cult says the following? 1.Earth was formed in just 14 days and Adam and Eve gave birth to entire mankind? 2.Sun goes around the earth? For saying the opposite, Gallileo was hounded by which cult?
If you can answer these questions and think that West progressed because of this cult, I rest my case!
Re: LOuda Vascosda
by Vascado on Jan 10, 2015 09:58 AM
Louda Vedji, Not the Western Society, but many Western Scientists atleast came out of such dogmas and superstitious beliefs to make marvels of inventions and discoveries benefiting the human race. Indians and Indian Scientists lag behind because they are not willing to come out of this dogma and wasting their valuable time exhibiting false pride and glory on an fictitous past which can never be proved.Even if we accept for argument's sake that India infact had a glorious past in terms of ancient Science, how does that benefit us today when we remain terribly backwards in technology development and innovation ?
