IISH requests you to study scientifically, logically and rationally the heritage of our motherland. Study the customs and rituals, the scientific spirituality, the content of ancient literature and the science and technology, existed in this last for the last many thousand years. Understand the messages of Vedas, the messages and experiences narrated in epics and the messages and stories given in Puranaas of this deva bhoomi. Understand the science of languages, rituals, astronomy and maths of vedangas (siksha, nirukta, vyaakarana, chandassastra, kalpasaastra and Jyothisha) written in this punya bhoomi. Learn the pure science of Upavedas, (athassaathra, Dhanurveda, Gaandharva veda and Ayurveda ) written in this maathrua bhoomi. This pithru bhumi has given the six darsanas which are the visions of our great forefathers, for analyzing and understanding the essence of the world. Listen, watch, discuss and analyze to the extent possible. Do not wait others to come and teach you. You learn and teach others scientifically, logically and rationally. IISH will be with you without expecting any reward and garland.
Re: Learn and understand our glorius heritage and be a proud Indi
by Vascado on Jan 09, 2015 01:01 PM
It is intriguing as to why no such research was carried out here if our scriptures are so rich in scientific revelations ? Ofcourse there is no harm in conducting research to harness the truth as to whether such claims are supported by even testifiable evidence. But,even before a research to claim that many verses and voluminous revelations were lost by marauding invaders is a bit too much to swallow. It only exposes those who make such tall claims and proves that they want to bask on false glory and pride.
Re: Re: Re: Learn and understand our glorius heritage and be a pr
by ACHINTA ROY on Jan 09, 2015 02:12 PM
It is foolish to bask on false glory and pride and it is even more foolish to think that our past, our tradition had nothing to be proud of or for that matter, had nothing of any substance. First of all we need to be pardoned for our ignorance before making false claims and also before mocking at our past. Everything is full of ambiguity and falshood, which has cropped up due to our lack of correct knowledge of our traditional documents and of our past.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Learn and understand our glorius heritage and be
by Vascado on Jan 09, 2015 03:22 PM
You can really be proud if there are any real achievements. You cannot be proud by just sheer imagination. Yes, everything is full of ambiguity when it comes to history, but then with what certainity can anybody claim ownership of inventions of the past ? Does that anyway mean that we are not able to grab the full import of what is sent in our traditional documents. Does that really make any sense ? If you lack the knowledge to even assess your own scriptures then with what credibility you are abruptly concluding that it is a source of knowledge except with a biased and prejudiced mindset ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Learn and understand our glorius heritage and
by ACHINTA ROY on Jan 09, 2015 05:08 PM
We lack the knoweledge to even assess our traditional documents very true, but courtesty our glorious and illustrious predecessors who established the education sytem. Indians were deprived of their basic rights for long including right to education. There were quite a few brilliant scientists/academicians who are now forgotten for being ancient. I am not supporting travel to planets saying hello in between to other vehicles crossing over . But, the idea of our past being gloomy and barbaric is most unacceptable. Present is the key to the past. A large number of Indians are today hired by the western world for undertaking research in multifacetal fields of science and technology
Re: Learn and understand our glorius heritage and be a proud Indi
by vidwan soni on Jan 09, 2015 03:47 PM
There may be some science in Ayurveda. Dhanurva etc, but theu were written during Ad periods. All other claims are false. Most Vedas are younger than 1000BC (except which is around 1500BC old). Study scientific archeology and leave these false claims or stop calling yourself educated.
To claim ownership of each and every invention that has graced this World is the norm rather than an exception for Modi and his acolytes. Using a prestigious platform such as the Indian Science Congress to make such ridiculous claims without even an iota of evidence is highly deplorable and condemnable making us a laughing stock of the World. Some Indian Scientists and Ministers to please their Master makes extraordinary and wild claims and claim this or that sanskrit verse says this thing and that thing. But when asked to prove their claim, they back off saying that those verses were lost destroyed by invaders. So, what they are doing is just conjuring up false pride in the premise of promoting patriotism. If aviation technology had really taken shape only in India, where are the remnants of those planes which is claimed to have run on mercury ? Why not advise our archeological department to excavate those left overs from the earth and show case it to the World ? Thus, we have frivolous claims on almost everything right from plastic surgery, aeroplanes, inter planet travel, pythogoras theorem etc. It seems there has not been anything which didn't have the touch and feel of Indians. But in reality, leave alone Indian, Asian contribution to Science has been negligible. Most of the scientific inventions were made by eminent physicians from Germany and USA.
Re: Re: WHAT A TRAVESTY OF TRUTH ?
by Vascado on Jan 09, 2015 12:55 PM
There is no need to read it. What is evident is religious b1gots of all denominations amend their scriptures suiting contemporary scientific inventions and make tall claims which are not backed by facts. To tell you the truth, ancient Indians were not even aware of the Q system which was only inculcated to us by the British. Similarly, we didn't even have a mechanism to dispose off waste and had to only import the Western concept of Septic tanks.
Re: Re: Re: WHAT A TRAVESTY OF TRUTH ?
by Manohar Rao on Jan 09, 2015 01:12 PM
You wanted proof and the proof is presented then why not read it.This is problem with Indians and the Indian society at large.The west copied everything Indian and claimed as been invented by them.They have brainwashed the world in such a way that everything coming from west is thought as genuine discovery or invention.The civilizations of Mohanzodado and Hadappa were so advanced that current day scientist are wondering how they were able to build such sophisticated drainage system. First the Brahmins then the Mohammedians and then the westerners saw to that the Hindu, sorry, Sanatana Dharma scriptures are not available to the commoner.Make all the Vedas,Upanishads,Puranas and Sutras global then people like you will take pride to have taken birth on Indian soil. Jai Hind Jai Bharat
Re: Re: Re: Re: WHAT A TRAVESTY OF TRUTH ?
by Vascado on Jan 09, 2015 02:57 PM
I am asking you a simple question ? Why cannot you take this forward and present to the World community at large and thereby prove your tall claims ? Who is preventing you ? Afterall, it is the Modi Government which is in power now and not the Congress and earlier you had Vajpayee Government in 1997. You say you have the proof so I just wonder what is preventing you in claiming ownership of the same and proving to the Mathematician or Scientific community at large ? You say the West plagiarised everything Indian, yet again another wild claim without basis and just borne out by mere words without anything to back up supporting your theory. If we were really so advanced by ancient traditions, where did all our advancement go succeeding it ? Where is that much fancied technology without which we are disabled today ? In 1947 when the Country became independent, we were not even able to manfacture pins. Do not take refuge by saying that the invaders destroyed those evidence. That literally proves nothing and is again another wild claim not recorded by history and only exposes your weakness. Who is brainwashed is quite clear from the way you have presented your thoughts here. I am not sure if the civilization of Mohanjadero and Harappa have anything to do with current day Bharath. The fact today is that despite all the so-called advancement over 60% of Indian population defecate in the open.
Re: Re: Re: Re: WHAT A TRAVESTY OF TRUTH ?
by Vascado on Jan 09, 2015 03:01 PM
I am asking you a simple question ? Why cannot you take this forward and present to the World community at large and thereby prove your tall claims ? Who is preventing you ? Afterall, it is the Modi Government which is in power now and not the Congress and earlier you had Vajpayee Government in 1997. You say you have the proof so I just wonder what is preventing you in claiming ownership of the same and proving to the Mathematician or Scientific community at large ? You say the West plagiarised everything Indian, yet again another wild claim without basis and just borne out by mere words without anything to back up supporting your theory. If we were really so advanced by ancient traditions, where did all our advancement go succeeding it ? Where is that much fancied technology without which we are disabled today ? In 1947 when the Country became independent, we were not even able to manfacture pins. Do not take refuge by saying that the invaders destroyed those evidence. That literally proves nothing and is again another wild claim not recorded by history and only exposes your weakness. Who is brainwashed is quite clear from the way you have presented your thoughts here. I am not sure if the civilization of Mohanjadero and Harappa have anything to do with current day Bharath. The fact today is that despite all the so-called advancement over 60% of Indian population defecate in the open.
Re: WHAT A TRAVESTY OF TRUTH ?
by mahesh muliyala on Jan 09, 2015 12:56 PM
I think this "Vascado" has the habit of commenting with out reading the article! Some time copy paste works but some places like this, he will be exposed!
Re: Re: WHAT A TRAVESTY OF TRUTH ?
by Vascado on Jan 09, 2015 02:47 PM
What does this article say ? Have you taken the pain to read it ? It says there are many claimants to the origination of Pythogoras theorem and there is no consensus as to where it really originated. That much is clearly stated. In this scenario when everything is mired in controversies, how can anybody with real sense claim ownership ? Infact what this article has left our is that there are Arabian claims too where they say Pythogoras theorem owe its origins to Arabia. So, in this falsehood and counter claims, who is really saying the truth ? You cannot base your beliefs on just conjectures. So, I therefore request you to come out from your biased and prejudiced mindset in search of truth.
Re: Re: Re: WHAT A TRAVESTY OF TRUTH ?
by ACHINTA ROY on Jan 09, 2015 02:55 PM
Either you did not read the article or you did not understand properly.
"The Pythagoras theorem is clearly the wrong name; that's clear," he says, laughing. "He (Pythagoras) clearly stated it way after it was stated in India. It is not clear that he proved it at all. From neither perspective -- the statement or the proof -- is the 'Pythagorean theorem' a correct name."
"It should either be an Egyptian theorem if you look at the standard of just having an idea about it, an Indian theorem if you're looking for a complete statement of it, or a Chinese theorem if you're looking for the proof of it," he adds.
Now please readi it again and understand properly. Happy to help.
Re: Re: Re: WHAT A TRAVESTY OF TRUTH ?
by Indian on Jan 09, 2015 02:57 PM
Dear Vascado,
Please understand. It is not what you think. I have read the original Sanskrit version (and I can quote that) which gives the formula of making a right angled-triangle-shaped Havan Kunda and it gives the exact formula what Pythogoras "discovered" after a long time. It is not your fault. It is the fault of our education system. To tell you the truth ... this was specifically designed to make us feel embarrassed on our historical heritage because the British wanted to enslave us not only physically but also psychologically. By reading comments by you and some otehrs, I feel that they have succeeded very well in their designs.
Re: Re: Re: Re: WHAT A TRAVESTY OF TRUTH ?
by Vascado on Jan 09, 2015 03:29 PM
There is no point in making such wild claims like these without proof or evidence. I am just saying if you are having the proof, why cannot you provide to the Global Mathematician community to claim ownership ? Who is preventing you ? Now there is no British ruling us. It is only the H1ndu 1con Modi. Why cannot he take the pain to take this to the Global community and prove to the World that "we have already said so" !! Isn't that the right method to claim glory and eschew pride ?
Re: Re: Re: WHAT A TRAVESTY OF TRUTH ?
by Vascado on Jan 09, 2015 03:25 PM
So, what are you trying to say when you say it should be either Indian, Egyptian or Chinese ? Does that mean we can abruptly conclude it is only Indian ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: WHAT A TRAVESTY OF TRUTH ?
by ACHINTA ROY on Jan 09, 2015 04:35 PM
Vascado you are again misinterpreting. The idea was rather inconclusively conceived in Egypt. The more authentic work regarding facts of this theorem was done in India. The Chinese proved the theorem. As usual, Pythagorous named it after him but that was much later.
The Universe was borne in India. Latter God claimed it. We have nothing to proud in present so busy with past samelessly like old rich man who recently got bankrupt and busy with thinking with his past glory.
Re: What are we know?
by Aprameya on Jan 09, 2015 02:44 PM
Universe born in India ? where did u read that ? I did not read it any_Hindu_holy_books anyhow_ur_allah_understands only_ Arabic
Re: Re: What are we know?
by vidwan soni on Jan 09, 2015 04:06 PM
Aprameya- Your illiterate nationalist historinas falsly claim that Man was born in India (Brahma produced it). They falsly claim that Aryans were indigenous and converted from Harapppans. Actually Harappans were finished due to oing droughts and Aryans using iron came from central Asia.How could distraught Harappans become chariot using Aryans having a developed war technology? Dina Nath Batra and BJP illiterates are trying to destroy the scientific-objective history.
Re: Re: What are we know?
by vidwan soni on Jan 09, 2015 04:06 PM
Aprameya- Your illiterate nationalist historinas falsly claim that Man was born in India (Brahma produced it). They falsly claim that Aryans were indigenous and converted from Harapppans. Actually Harappans were finished due to oing droughts and Aryans using iron came from central Asia.How could distraught Harappans become chariot using Aryans having a developed war technology? Dina Nath Batra and BJP illiterates are trying to destroy the scientific-objective history.
Check the origin of the name Pythagoras. It is a greek version of a hindu name 'Pita Gore'. 'Pita' stands for father and 'Gore' is a village priest. The origin of Pythagoras is not known. The greeks believed he came from Egypt and was a vegetarian. And established the school of mathematics.
Traditional numerical system of Egypt,Middle East,Rome and Greece supported only simple calculations like addition and subtraction. Did not even have decimal. Arabic writings have been from right to left while numbers are being written from left to right. Chinese use vertical writing. Only hindu writings are from left to right.
This author is ready to give credit to pythogores for just a statement but cannot give such a credit for Indian for that complete statement and find excuses of not having proved it and another excuses like may be egpitian know it becuase they had strcutures! This type of analysis not scientific but just to protect western name 'pythogorus"
Re: I really pitty about author of this article.
by radkesh thiwari on Jan 09, 2015 11:57 AM
Not sure if you read the complete article. He did say that the name "Pythogoras" theorem is not a correct name. You can't even spell Pythogoras correctly and are trying to find faults in someones analysis.
Re: Re: I really pitty about author of this article.
by mahesh muliyala on Jan 09, 2015 12:13 PM
I pitty for your understanding of the subject and it's value. Do you know what was the western substitue of name of chandra gupta? or indian version of name Alexander? be open minded.
Re: Re: Re: I really pitty about author of this article.
by radkesh thiwari on Jan 09, 2015 01:55 PM
Your irrelevant comments without reading or understanding the article are not going to make any sensing. Keeping blowing your band.
What is the use of claiming we invented pythagorus theorm when we cant build a single road in a straight line or a single building that has its walls in rightangle even after inventing the theorm 3000 yrs ago!!!!...
Re: India Shining!!!!
by kapil on Jan 09, 2015 11:21 AM
great sense man... i fully agree with you.. And what about the Law and Order here?? Rich people can do anything and police never arrest. Taroor case is one...
Re: India Shining!!!!
by observer on Jan 09, 2015 11:21 AM
yes we cannot, but if possible visit aurangabad for experiencing ajanta caves. with all present technologies, no country can replicate it even today!!!!
In the past, some million of years ago we discovered algorithm, we had planes and helicopters, we excelled in medecine, we were foremesot in science & technology the list goes on & on & on.
Dont be surprised if any union minister says that thousands of years back we used whatsapp and facebook !
Here is the height of our advancem,ent in medecine, the rest of the world transplants hair but we transplant of elephant head to human.
Our only contribution to the world was 'haath-panka', hand made fan and that's it.
Let's forget all our differences and live a normal and healthy life instead of glorifying our past that never really existted.
Re: Past glory
by vivek on Jan 09, 2015 11:19 AM
No we have much advanced things then FB and twitter. Indians had telepathic communication, then these powers were called Siddhi
Re: Past glory
by balu on Jan 09, 2015 11:21 AM
True before christ nothing is existed, all are false, the temples built in india, The mediines in India re false. Before christ no people exists on earth and the technology for dating the carbon is utter false. Also think ther is no god till 1400 years, after that god had come in to picture, no weaponary exists only sword and killing the people exists. earlier we have only one wife after that we got multiples. Who burnt London Library? Who burnt all the texts of takshasila? Who killed the brahmins of south and burnt the palm leaves? Better to shut and lik the feet of english
Re: Re: Past glory
by Manohar Rao on Jan 09, 2015 01:19 PM
Good reply.Nobody can explain ignorant people.India was not called the Sone ki Chidya or Golden Bird for nothing.People used to came to India for learning.
Re: Re: Re: Past glory
by ACHINTA ROY on Jan 09, 2015 05:35 PM
Abdulla do not have to go to millions of years back. Why cant a second Taj Mahal be created ? Remember it was constructed by Indian Engineers and workers
Re: Re: Re: Re: Past glory
by ACHINTA ROY on Jan 09, 2015 05:40 PM
Just take the trouble of going into the details of ancient Indian Architecture and also the civil engineering wonders of the Muslim period. Who built all these on Indian soil? Indians. Where did the material come from? India. Who funded these structures? Indians, mainly the Indian emperors, even if some of such emperors or their forefathers may have invaded India and started staying here.Today Muslim terrorists are attacking cartoonists. Emperor Akbar had Birbal who is legendary for his satirical creations.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Past glory
by ACHINTA ROY on Jan 09, 2015 05:43 PM
It appears from your comments that what people like Akbar, Bahadur Shah Zafar, Ramkrishna Paramhansa, Swami Vivekananda, Kabir, taught us about respecting other religions, is now forgotten as these were all ancient people.
