Can someone throw light on the fact that as per Hindu belief, they will be re-incarnations (7 times or whatever) till they attain salvation. Now as per the karma which hindus follow, they will be rewarded in the next birth accordingly what u have done in the last birth and you may born as a human or animal as per that. Now suppose if anyone born as a bird or something like that. now how come that bird will be evaluated in this life since we feel thay are innocent and how come karma will be tested on that. Can some one clarify, please.
Re: Answer Please
by ashish anand on Jan 11, 2015 02:47 PM
That belief is as good as the muslim belief that Jehadists get rewarded in Jannat with Hoors or that there will be a final judgement day. All the regiligios bullshit that is part of every religion.
Re: Re: Answer Please
by radkesh thiwari on Jan 11, 2015 02:54 PM
@ashish Spot on. I was going to post a similar reply but you did first. Every religion has their own concept of Karma.
Re: Answer Please
by Indian on Jan 11, 2015 05:26 PM
Karma is related with free-will i.e. when you are intelligent enough to take a considered decision and also when you have option to act against your natural tendencies. Therefore, you accrue Karma in human births alone and that also only on attaining an age when you can understand the differences between good and bad.All other births are bhoga-yoni i.e. for tasting the fruits of past karmas.
Re: Re: Answer Please
by Vascado on Jan 11, 2015 07:54 PM
On the other hand if the law of karma theory is taken logically forward, it only allows human beings to operate mechanically and controlled by a super natural force denying free will. The problem here is that you do not remember your past life, but have to bear with the sufferings in this life relating it to your karma in the past life as a consolation and seeking illusionary comfort. Ofcourse you can do good deeds in this life expecting better treatment in your next life and Karma might have an influence in this regard. But still it is the surrounding circumstances and the sequence of events in one's life which decides human behaviour and a tragedy can change it all and compel one to be sinful. You just cannot philosophize your Gita ideal of what has happened only happened for good to a man who has just lost his family in a Tsunami or to one who has lost crores of money. He would consider you as the biggest villian and accuse you of mocking his worst plight and even think of murdering you. Moreover, if the law of karma is indeed, good, you do not need even punishment like hanging or sentencing to life imprisonment. That would amount to double punishment for a sin. Another problem here is that only modernization has enabled us to increase life expectancy with sugery and medicines and earliest humans had shorter life spans dying out at 25 years with even typhoid being the biggest killer. Was the law of karma pretty unfair to people in the earlier centuries ?
Re: Re: Re: Answer Please
by Indian on Jan 12, 2015 07:26 AM
You don't understand the Laws of karma even a bit, Vascado ! .. and it is not to hurt you but it is the fact. Laws of Karma are the Laws of Nature. You have to understand how Consciousness works for understanding the whole thing.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Answer Please
by Vascado on Jan 12, 2015 10:05 AM
It is surely the other way around. But you are not willing to confront with facts and here you are dishing out your own version of Karma borrowed from some modern authors. I am dealing exclusively with the H1ndu law of karma where it is documented very clear for everyone to see.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Answer Please
by Vascado on Jan 12, 2015 10:05 AM
It is surely the other way around. But you are not willing to confront with facts and here you are dishing out your own version of Karma borrowed from some modern authors. I am dealing exclusively with the H1ndu law of karma where it is documented very clear for everyone to see.
Re: indians_also_invented_the_dreaded_caste_system_the_most
by devedas bhaskar on Jan 11, 2015 12:11 PM
Less than 10% of the population heaped the most humiliating form of discrimination on more_than_90%_of_hindus.
Re: Re: indians_also_invented_the_dreaded_caste_system_the_most
by devedas bhaskar on Jan 11, 2015 12:13 PM
.....discrimiantion_on_more_than_90%_of_hindus.
Re: Re: Re: indians_also_invented_the_dreaded_caste_system_the_mo
by Indian on Jan 12, 2015 07:34 AM
Dear Bhaskar, Vedas endorse Varna system and not caste system. Varna is not by birth ... this is what Mahabharata and Vedanta say.
Well, according to the H1ndu version, Karma of your present life will have a bearing on your future life while you suffer the consequences of your sins or the benefits of good deeds in your earlier life in the present one. This is the crux of the law of Karma in H1ndu or Gita context. So Karma in this life has a bearing in your next life. But Jainism and Buddhist versions of Karma vary from this thought and they have different connotations. Howsoever you might interpret it, this is the essence of the law of karma as explained in Bh@gvad g1ta.
Re: TO INDIAN - ABOUT LAW OF KARMA
by Dev on Jan 11, 2015 03:05 PM
vascado,which is best beans ? berlotti, garbanzo, adzuki,kidney, lima , soyabeans,broad beans or fibonacci beans..you are expert,arent you?
Re: Re: TO INDIAN - ABOUT LAW OF KARMA
by Vascado on Jan 11, 2015 03:09 PM
I do not like hocus-pocus explanations. The best peas are in your head as you have a pea sized brain.
Re: Re: Re: Re: TO INDIAN - ABOUT LAW OF KARMA
by Vascado on Jan 11, 2015 03:44 PM
Fart in the wind. You needlessly mocked at me. What is your motive ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: TO INDIAN - ABOUT LAW OF KARMA
by Vascado on Jan 11, 2015 03:45 PM
I know rel1igious dumb heads when they are not in a position to rationally defend their faith would indulge in adhominems. You are a fine piece of example to it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TO INDIAN - ABOUT LAW OF KARMA
by Dev on Jan 11, 2015 04:01 PM
if you want to talk religHon..go do a course.pay $20,000/year! thats how its done in west..and now we also doing same!shell out or go ask your MOmma!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TO INDIAN - ABOUT LAW OF KARMA
by Vascado on Jan 11, 2015 04:33 PM
Well the question was not posed to you ? Why do you unnecessarily poke your nose ? It seems you do not have any better work.
Re: TO INDIAN - ABOUT LAW OF KARMA
by Indian on Jan 11, 2015 07:14 PM
I am unable to post the answer. Please see the answer against your other questions.
I am not asking you a question as whether law of Karma, Vaastu and Astrology are inter-related. That is a open subject with varied interpretatins. My question was quite simple to grasp. I asked you as to how these concepts can influence our life simultaneously without contradictions ?? Let me explain with an example, if suppose you committed a terrible sin in your previous life and will have to face the consequences in the present life according to law of karma. However, in the present life, you build your house precisely according to the prescriptions spelt out by Vaastu. If so, can you escape the consequences of your sin in your earlier birth ? Please explain this dichotomy direct without deviations.
Re: QUESTION TO INDIAN
by Indian on Jan 11, 2015 05:07 PM
I am unable to post due to unnecessary mode ra tion by engine of the site. Let me try again. Understanding their working and their relation is necessary. As I told you, Law of karma doesn't mean it applies only to past karma. past karmas affect us around 65 % but the present karma affect us by another 35 %. So both karmas are important.
Re: Re: QUESTION TO INDIAN
by Indian on Jan 11, 2015 05:12 PM
Astrology can predict to a greater extent what is going to happen in future but it won't be 100% correct due to effect of present karma (I am not talking about wearing stones etc.). Vaastu has to do with how belief system works. A strong faith in one's mind can alter how the things work in nature. That is why a strong-minded person can overcome effects of his past Karmas by his present Karmas. If you keep believing strongly that something is auspicious for you it would start giving results to the extent this belief system can affect past Karmas. Having a belief or no belief is also karma.
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by Indian on Jan 11, 2015 05:15 PM
Can you escape the sins of your past life ? Yes and No. By your present Karma it can be postponed or its effect can be lessened but it can be completely destroyed only by Self-realisation otherwise there is no escape.
Re: Re: Re: Re: QUESTION TO INDIAN
by Vascado on Jan 11, 2015 07:34 PM
You are totally confused. How can the sins of past life be lessened by your present karma ? That would negate the essence of karma where you need to suffer in the present for your misdeeds in the past. It would also be doing tremendous injustice to the one who was at the receiving end from you in his/her past life. Let us take the example of Hitler who was responsible for the Holacaust responsible for the death of over 50 million people. Taking your logic forward, in his next life, if he performs good deeds, his sins would be lessened. But is it not an injustice to the 50 million people who faced his fury ? Now this 50 million people taking revenge under the law of karma is another story which according to your theory may take about 200 million years.
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by Vascado on Jan 12, 2015 10:07 AM
Which version of Karma you are talking about ? I do want your version of Karma. I am dealing with the H1ndu version.
Re: Re: Re: QUESTION TO INDIAN
by Vascado on Jan 11, 2015 07:25 PM
Which branch of Astrology one should repose faith in ? There are countless branches of astrology and the nature of belief varies in different Countries with one contradicting another. Now coming to the Indian branch of astrology, you first need to prove that planetary movements do influence our life and determine our fate. Second, there is dichotomy even with the time of birth. Should one consider birth from the time the embryo takes life form in the womb or should birth be considered at the time of delivery when the child is fully grown ? The problem about believing in all influencing our life will only end up in doing injustice to one theory. Logically and rationally, all these theories cannot operate simultaneously and influence the fate of one's life. That is pretty much impossible. It is like three horses pulling the cart in opposite directions.
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by Indian on Jan 12, 2015 07:29 AM
I am talking of Astrology which is taught as a subject in BHU, Varanasi, India. I am not aware of other branches of astrology.
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by Vascado on Jan 12, 2015 10:11 AM
I am only dealing with the Ved1c astrology and it was only invoked in the context of different concepts within a fold pulling it in different directions making it redundant.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: QUESTION TO INDIAN
by Vascado on Jan 12, 2015 10:11 AM
I am only dealing with the Ved1c astrology and it was only invoked in the context of different concepts within a fold pulling it in different directions making it redundant.
Re: Re: QUESTION TO INDIAN
by Vascado on Jan 11, 2015 07:18 PM
You are missing the point altogether and I can understand your predicament. By the way, in your earnest desire to defend the indefensible, you have even started rolling out percentages as your own model of interpretation. It is your version of Karma. The point was not about the past and present Karma for which your theory obviously has an explanation although it sounds pretty unconveniencing from a logical point of view as to when the first karma actually started for the first living being on this earth. The theory of karma as conceived by its authors is only a feeble attempt to explain away the problem of evil and it only complicates the intricacies of life even further.
Re: Re: Re: QUESTION TO INDIAN
by Indian on Jan 12, 2015 07:32 AM
You have not studied Vedanta. There was never a creation. Creation and the Creator are not different. Karmas are beginingless . Karma doesn't mean "action" alone as you assume. It is actually the impressions stored in Consciousness.
Re: Re: Re: Re: QUESTION TO INDIAN
by Vascado on Jan 12, 2015 10:14 AM
Well you can give different spin to your theories. But if the law of karma is taken logically forward as per its concept of rebirth cycle, then naturally the question arises as to when was the starting point of this cycle which can only get worked up with one's good and bad deeds.
Re: Re: Re: Re: QUESTION TO INDIAN
by Vascado on Jan 12, 2015 10:16 AM
Well you can give different spin to your theories. But if the law of karma is taken logically forward as per its concept of rebirth cycle, then naturally the question arises as to when was the starting point of this cycle which can only get worked up with one's good and bad deeds.
Re: True
by Unapologetic Intellectual on Jan 11, 2015 09:13 AM
Ha Ha Ha, Yeah sure, its the Chaddiwallas that are taking hostages, attacking camps, schools.
Re: Re: True
by Vascado on Jan 11, 2015 10:01 AM
Well in Pakistan, those B@rbarians are attacking schools while people with similar character are attacking our education system by infiltrating our curriculum with their backward ideas and thoughts which is equally dangerous.
