Demanding a proof for anything and everything - even of an ancient author - and that too according to what a mathematician can accept as satisfactory to his way of numerical logic is a superstition and a self-laid trap that has been acting as a block for furthering the cause of probing reality. The subtlest truths ostill unrevealed by nature to human intellect are in the field of quantum science despite the availability of mathematical and scientific/ technological tools that are as yet available to man. In this context it is well to recall the exploratory contributions of top natch modern scientists such as Erwin Schrodinger, Albert Einstein, Tesla, to cite a few, and to understand that they were prima facile satisfied with the statements (Vedic pronouncements) of the ultimate reality, however magisterial they may sound to us, but left it open for future generations to try and look for explanations based on an extension of current mathematical and physical/ scientific concepts themselves (and if necessary to change the concepts themselves?)
wha tdo you mean -'depending on what standard they implement'. how can the standard be debated for this issue only which has been global and fixed otherwise?
Do you really seek to claim that the concept of reb1rth based on K@rma is not dealt with by Bh@vad Gita. Please be clear in what you are claiming here ?
Re: TO INDIAN
by Indian on Jan 12, 2015 01:23 PM
You gave your views on Karma and we didn't discuss on rebirth which is another issue. Let's discuss one issue at a time. Your views are not supported by Bhagwad Gita or any authentic scriptures. If you can support your views with any verse of Bhagwad Gita or Upanishads, please do that.
Re: Re: TO INDIAN
by Vascado on Jan 12, 2015 02:40 PM
So what are we actually discussing here ? What are you actually trying to say ? I am confused as you are changing your stand every moment. Bh@gvad G1ta clearly spells out the law of Karma based on rebirth and the only difference here is that it claims that the L0rd steers it unlike the L@w of K@rma where in some it is mentioned as destiny is steered independent and while some are contrary to it. You please go and check once again before pointing fingers at me. I can provide the link but the Moderator is not allowing me. Well regarding the so-called authentic scriptures, it is your own cherry pick which you classify some as superior and the other as inferior. On what basis you actually do it ? If there is a verse that strongly supports your thinking, you immediately cite it and say here is it and talk highly about it and if they differ, you immediately chide it as unauthentic or classify them as inferior. This is not just your game, it is the game of all faith seekers.
Re: Re: Re: TO INDIAN
by Vascado on Jan 12, 2015 02:52 PM
My views were the logical fall out from the law of karma based on rebirth which can lead to several permutations and combinations defying rationale . They were my own inferences.
Re: Re: Re: TO INDIAN
by Vascado on Jan 12, 2015 03:00 PM
My views were the logical fall out from the law of karma based on rebirth which can lead to several permutations and combinations where its consequences defy rationale . They were my own inferences.
Re: Re: TO INDIAN
by Vascado on Jan 12, 2015 02:43 PM
The problem here is that you do not see even Encylclopedia as an authentic source and so I am just bewildered as what I can actually reference to convince you ??
Re: Re: TO INDIAN
by Vascado on Jan 12, 2015 02:47 PM
The problem here is that you do not consider even Encyclopedia as an authentic source which is the World wide site for reference and so I am just bewildered as what I can actually reference to convince you ? Do you see my difficulty when somebody is inflexible ?
Re: Re: TO INDIAN
by Vascado on Jan 12, 2015 02:50 PM
The problem here is that you do not consider even Encyclopedia as an authentic source which is the World wide site for reference and so I am just bewildered as what I can actually reference to convince you ? Do you see the difficulty when somebody is inflexible and rigid ?
beyond all doubt at the recent Indian Science Congress that ancient Indians invented and made air vehicles that could fly from country to country, continent to continent, planet to planet, backwards as well as forwards, hover and were larger than every modern day airplane, why should Indians feel ashamed that the Pythagoras theorem did not actually take shape in India at all ?
[quote]Well, according to the H1ndu version, Karma of your present life will have a bearing on your future life while you suffer the consequences of your sins or the benefits of good deeds in your earlier life in the present one. This is the crux of the law of Karma in H1ndu or Gita context. So Karma in this life has a bearing in your next life. But Jainism and Buddhist versions of Karma vary from this thought and they have different connotations. Howsoever you might interpret it, this is the essence of the law of karma as explained in Bh@gvad g1ta.[/quote]
You have got it wrong, dear ! Please quote the verses to support your claim.
Re: Re: Dear Vascado !
by Vascado on Jan 11, 2015 08:42 PM
Well I want you to give the URL but moderator is not allowing me and so let me just put the preamble
Karma is a concept in H1nduism which explains causality through a system where beneficial effects are derived from past beneficial actions and harmful effects from past harmful actions, creating a system of actions and reactions throughout a soul's reincarnated lives[1] forming a cycle of rebirth. The causality is said to be applicable not only to the material world but also to our thoughts, words, actions and actions that others do under our instructions
Re: Re: Dear Vascado !
by Indian on Jan 12, 2015 07:24 AM
You can trust me on Bhagwad Gita. I can translate it word-by-word and have read it hundreds of times. How can we consider Wikipedia as authentic when anyone can write it ??
Re: Re: Re: Dear Vascado !
by Vascado on Jan 12, 2015 09:56 AM
Well that is the problem with believers at large and that is what faith can do. I thought you would be an exception to the rule. But you are not. Those who live by mere faith will always be blind to reason not willing to believe what they see. They will cherry pick verses from their texts as and when it suits them to say "haven't they already said so" reposing their confidence in the wisdom of ancestors and invoking hubris to a larger measure. You will not believe Wikipedia which is the encyclopedia where there is little room for biased interpretation with an enlightened panel dealing with it which would be revising its contextual facts as and when needed based on further relevant inputs, but you will repose your faith in a biased version of a believer who naturally will be prejudiced and induced to suppress facts and refine their texts suiting modern context. I am not sure which version of Bhagvad Gita you are claiming. But even in Bhagvad Gita, there is the cycle of rebirths which is clearly mentioned which has probably escaped your attention. You stand on a weak ground today not willing to confront your faith with facts. Infact I have given the law of karma in a polished way not to hurt anyones sentiment or belief. If you take the actual law of karma in H1nduised context, it would be more ridiculous when it claims that humans would turn into animals and insects and vice versa in this cycle of rebirth based on deeds.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Dear Vascado !
by Vascado on Jan 12, 2015 10:02 AM
I am not sure how animals and insects have the power to think to know what is good and bad as their actions are merely dictated by natural order and design. A Lion murders a deer purely by natural design as mandated by the evil food chain. In that case, how the h@ll they can be evaluated for their sinful or righteous deeds ? But ancient H1ndu authors believe otherwise and we have to trust their wisdom and that is the argument forwarded by faith seekers.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Dear Vascado !
by Vascado on Jan 12, 2015 10:02 AM
I am not sure how animals and insects have the power to think to know what is good and bad as their actions are merely dictated by natural order and design. A Lion murders a deer purely by natural design as mandated by the evil food chain. In that case, how the h@ll they can be evaluated for their sinful or righteous deeds ? But ancient H1ndu authors believe otherwise and we have to trust their wisdom and that is the argument forwarded by faith seekers.
Re: Re: Re: Dear Vascado !
by Vascado on Jan 12, 2015 10:25 AM
So what you are trying to say ? Is it that in G1ta, there is no doctrine of rebirth ? Are you really serious when you say this ?? Man, come to life.
Re: Re: Re: Dear Vascado !
by Vascado on Jan 12, 2015 10:28 AM
So what you are trying to say ? Is it that in G1ta, there is no doctrine of rebirth ? Are you really serious when you say this ?? It is getting crazy now.
Re: Re: Re: Dear Vascado !
by Vascado on Jan 12, 2015 10:30 AM
Will you trust me when I claim something. Naturally, you will not. I will only look to some source for confirmation. Wikipedia is the most authentic site that is available which is not presuambly biased and prejudiced.
Re: Re: Re: Dear Vascado !
by Vascado on Jan 12, 2015 10:33 AM
Will you trust me when I claim something. Naturally, you will not. I will only look to some source for confirmation. Wikipedia is the most authentic site that is available which is not biased and prejudiced.
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