It is in India's interest to a) build a strong economy and b) a strong military. For the former you need both China and the West. For the latter you need the West and only the West has the technology to beat the Chinese.
The Chinese can never be trusted until they move to a transparent and open society. And their constant pinpricks such as stapled visas and overt support to anti-India forces is a clear indication of their intentions. They see India, US and to a lesser extent Japan as threats to their grandiose vision of self preservation at all costs.
If the author's strategy is to work, China should stop the pinpricks. Check the terror infra in Pakistan and be fair to Indian concerns. Who wants to bet that this is going to happen?
The author is asking us to be subservient and to go to the Chinese with a "begging bowl". We will eventually get humiliated and trashed. Remember 1962.
Best approach for India is to follow an independent strategy to create a fair society (fix the dirty political system and high corruption), strong economy and a really strong modern military that no one would dare to pinprick. To this end use the West and China and anyone else. I have no hope that this will indeed happen as our leaders are too crooked to do anything in the real national interest. We have not learnt the lessons of 1962.
Re: ramblings...
by shyam ale on May 01, 2011 12:06 PM
it was India aggressive move in 1962 that make humiliation.....i bet India will not do same mistake this time.
I request editor to mail this poem to PM Manmohan singh who is not having individual foreign policy and is more obsessed with US. If we don't concentrate and work for national interests and start working for US or UK goals, tommorow we become like Pak and Afgan. These two nations have worked with US to contain Russia. Today US is comfortable but Pak and Afgan are sufferers. We should not see ourselves in the same situation.
Although most of your points towards mutual growth & similarities vis a vis geopolitical history of India/china are considerably good. But does china thinks the same way? are they interacting with us in the desired way?? are they not standing with evil pak ??? We don't need any points of Xiaoping as we have our own great GEETA / Chanakya neeti ..etc..etc which have the best politico strategic views of the present world. In GEETA lord Sri Krishan himself says that " Whoever stands with EVIL is to be treated as EVIL only nothing else".
If we the people of INDIA actually started following the words of lord Krishna or Chanakya in creating our policy there would be no other nation who can challenge the supremacy of INDIA.
An indisciplined country cannot be equated with disciplined one, in particular when whole democratic system is based on vote bank politics, corruption and national issues are secondary.
Re: Will China and India grow together or grow apart?
by PRABIR DE on Jan 13, 2011 06:35 PM
Idiate and non sense , you donot know the comunist ideology ,you should learn first then faltu coments.
China is a communist nation where the govt is for the people. In India capitalist/bourgeois govt. is by the people but looting the nation. eg. 2g scam, CWG scam, Adharsh flat scam, etc; etc; Bofors scam, etc; etc;. But you see chinese govt. is giving education to all, employment, home, primary health service, etc. In India no education to all, never the congress govt. is willing to provide employment to all the unemployess because these capitalist will not get workers to work for them at a cheaper rate so the congress govt. never think growth for the poor people, primary health service, no house to all.
Re: Growth in China and in INdia.
by PAWAN GUPTA on Jan 13, 2011 12:49 PM
It looks sweet but it is not in reality It is the fact that ordinary labor rate per day is lower in china then of india. We came to know about this scam etc. becouse their is free press and their is democracy in india whereas in china it is not if you say even a single word against govt. then you will be behind bar and will be humilated.
Re: Re: Growth in China and in INdia.
by Suresh Babu on Jan 13, 2011 01:38 PM
Dear Mr. Gupta, Shown Indian culture in Australia and received prizes in return, congratulations to all Indians who went there for higher education. Actually they are students and went Australia for higher education and not for any employment. However, in India the wage is lowest in the world i.e. less than $ 1 per day is being paid by the industrialist in India especially in the states like Gujarat. This is the reason the people are going to foreign countries for lower category jobs like hotel waiter, cleaner, supplier, etc. For this kind of jobs in India there were paid only Rs. 1500/- per month in place of this 1500/- if the person goes to Australia or UK he will be paid Rs. 1.25 lakh per month and this is a 10 years salary in India. So the people from India are ready to work in Australia at a lower rate of AUD 10 per hour. For the lowest wage in India we have to blame the Central Government, especially Congress Party. The congress party wants in India – - Poverty to there. - Unemployment to stay there. – illiteracy to stay there, – Homeless to stay there. If all these are the bourgeois can grow, eg: Ambani group. When we got independence in August, 1947, Gandhiji told the then Congress Leaders like Panditji, Sardar Patel, etc., to dissolve the congress party and conduct the election. So that we have a government by the people. Then our these great leaders Pandit Nehru and Sardar Patel told to Gandhiji that till August 15,
Re: Re: Growth in China and in INdia.
by Suresh Babu on Jan 13, 2011 01:34 PM
Mr. Gupta, labour rate is more in china than in India. You see 1 Yuan=7 rupees. Otherwise ok lower labour rate, then the petrol rate is lowest in the world. If there was corruption in china, definitely that country never grow like this way what we are seeing today. So there there is no justification for the capitalist corrupt bourgeois rule in India can never compete with Communist country like China.
Re: Re: Growth in China and in INdia.
by shyam ale on May 01, 2011 12:10 PM
you are in very big illusion.......free press, democrazy blah blah blah.....whole world know the condition of India ...... i bet if Indians will not get up now they will never ever catch China......
Professor Kishore Mahbubani seems to be giving vent to Chinese fears that India may be allying with West to conunter China and safeguard her interests. He needs to look at history of Independent India, that this country charted its own course and depending upn its needs it has accepted or rejected various lucrative deals , including forgiving the UNSC seat for Chinese. Non Allignment was our mantra and not the chinese one. It would be better for the Prof. to preach Chinese policy makers and Army to not collude with Pakistan and our Other immediate neighbours to interfere in Indian strategic interests. Does he remember breach of Panchsheel by China? But he won't do the same as Chinese like the yes man intellegensia and not the probing one.
The article is logical and writer tried to analyse very well, but he is biased being Indian but serving under Chinese Influence against India, and he could not come on those points where China is trying to push India towards the Wall, like China-Pak relations against INdian interest, attempting pressure tactics on Indian border, trying to hide its assistance to Pak in arms and immunition as well as nuclear know how and material aid in this regard to Pak. No body will mind if China helps Pak in bringing up its economy, but the aim of China in present Scenario is to tame India indirectly through others which includes Nepal as well besides the violent Maoist Movement in Nepal and India . Further it is trying to encircle India by increasing its influence in neighbouring countries of India and also trying to place some of its Navy fleet in Indian Ocean as close as possible to India . Recent devlopment and build up of Chiniese on Indian border, is alarming .Further China is offending time and again the sovereignity of India by claiming Arunchal Pradesh, issuing seperate Visa and so on. China is trying to bully and terrifying their small neighbouring countries, Vietnam is one such example, which is keeping it away from China after having traumatic experience of closeness with China. Further it is Indians who beleive that we are two old civilizations of the world but China being Communist and dictatorial in its attitude ,its Govt. does not beleive so.
Re: Trusting China-----how much ?
by aam admi on Jan 13, 2011 11:52 AM
China is increasing its production manifold and hence they need more markets to sale their product, and they are trying for the same ,but how much they are benicicial to INdia that can be wll understood, the present mutual imptort-export business is in their favour manifold, they presently need a market because of slow down in Europe and US and also to dump their cheap quality goods , India can be the most convinient place for such goods .
