...credible that china wants a peaceful relationship with india.
This author is naive about china and also the islamic world.
In the islamic world, politcal islam is highly a dirty tactic.it has to be confronted head on. The west is not ALL wrong in containing the islamic world.but they have been focussing on wrong palces like iraq no doubt.
the politics of some people in the islamic world are highly hostile to democracries.
the west recognised it very late.
while there is merit inthe argument we should not follow western intersts, why shud there be any more sympathetic about chinese interests?
the chinese have been quite hostile to us more than the west.
hence we share more interests with the west than vice versa.
Re: there is nothing remotely..
by yang li on Jan 19, 2011 07:02 PM
tell me friend, what china want from india?we have the third largest territory of world.your land? don't be rediculous, if we want we shall do it hundreds years ago. the problem of the border? that's a problem from historm understanding. we are two greatest country in asian history, why we can not be friends? And do you really believe you can hold the land if china want to use his militrary force to solve the border problem?
So you do admit what Pakistan says? by
Yaqoot Mir on Jan 14, 2011 02:03 AM | Hide replies | Hide message
Article makes it out to where it assigns blame of Islmamic force propogation squarely on Western shoulders thus exhonorating Pakistan, which is what pakistan has been saying all along, so why is it that india keeps blaming Pakistan for the mess in Afghanistan?
Re: So you do admit what Pakistan says?
by GARY on Jan 14, 2011 07:50 AM
YAQOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT,u have proved again that u are a typical PakiPig without brains. Can understand the same as uPigs are brought up and educated in the dingyMadrassas of your memorable failed state.
India has a reason to blame your disgraced failed state,as it was at the receiving end of your infamous ISI's pet terror babies, LeT AND Haqqani group. There was considerable proof given that was ALSO established by the Americans and other Western nations plus Rusia's intel agencies.
These agencies are not illiterate like u cooking up fake stories and gloating in fancy fake stuffs. Even your Govt is aware of the same but keeps quiet as it is helpless before your rogue ISI.
Finally, it is not just INDIA that blames your failed state, the whole world does the same as well. Come out into real world and see the real picture! Got that, YAQOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
A struggle for supremacy, which may lead to an armed conflict. If it goes to that extent, China will lose in a major way as they will lose all their support for the theme of peaceful rise as well as China can't sustain the conflict beyond few days because of the logistic constraints. Anyways China is on its way to doom with their new leadership
Mahboobani’s sketch makes the West into somwwhat of a monolith when in reality Europe wants to break free from US hostility towards China for eg – arms sales etc. Moreover, while the West might actively be demonizing China, China has made it easy to be demonized. Its actions in Tibet and Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia, which lands it has irreversibly flooded with the Han people and on whom it has imposed its language and culture, are not actions of a non-threatening peaceful, generous, and potentially democratic nation. Similarly, its hostile actions against Japan, Vietnam and India wont be dismissed by these countries as Western fabrications. The moves by China to soak up natural resources everywhere, to dam rivers that flow into India and Bangladesh for example are other examples of how China upsets countries and peoples everywhere.
Re: yes but.
by sri on Jan 13, 2011 10:25 PM
At the same time, Mahbubani is correct in pointing out how well China is thinking about and planning for what it wants for itself and how well it falls back on its ancient thought and sagely political advice to deal with its national life and international problems. Unlike the Chinese, Indians want to dilute their civilizational instincts and wisdom and wish to become Americans and Westerners in every detail!!
We in India speak in a thousand voices none of which is remotely convincing. Many of these voices show a remarkable lack of intellect and belong to people who are mired in and preoccupied with pettiness, small mindedness and mind-boggling corruption and know nothing of India’s heritage or history. How can any of these voices give a good direction to India?
If India don't grow in future with more then 10 percent GDP mor then China then very soon all Asia and India will become in control of china and his ally pakistan. China is already a superpower and 2nd largest Economy in the world.China army is capable to destroy any spy satellites in sky,china has fastest train in the world. India is a very small fry in front of him. Most powerful country in the world USA is also under 1 trillion debt of China.
Re: If India don't grow in future with more then 10 percent GDP
by IMTIAZ KHAN on Jan 13, 2011 07:05 PM
The Chinese bailed out the US economy essentially to ensure the health of their own economy. No favours done.
What the Chinese have now done, Japan has been doing for long, failing which Japan itself would not have emerged until now as the second biggest economy.
Unfortunately buying debt of another country to bolster ones own economy has a end and cannot be pursued sine die. Let us see how long the Chinese will continue with this policy and what would be the final repercussions of this policy.
One would have to also contend as to how the economic well being of the entire world could so critically depend on the prosperity and consumption of a mere 300 million people or 5% of the world population residing in a country called the US. There is always a limit to consumption and to prosperity - both cannot be infinite.
Re: Re: If India don't grow in future with more then 10 percent
by GARY on Jan 14, 2011 07:55 AM
Good sum up, Imtiaz. China did not do any favours if it is proved that they bailed out the US economy.For it is they who stand to benefit from the same as they are mainly a export oriented nation. The same way they had ensured that the EURO does not face problems as they stand to lose more then anyone else.
The Chinese are very clever people who first always look to their own interests and make sure that it is safe guarded.Even with Pakistan they are doing some favours as they have strategic interests in that failed state.
Re: Re: If India don't grow in future with more then 10 percent
by sri on Jan 13, 2011 10:47 PM
Imtiaz, the Chinese have allowed the Americans to maintain a high standard of living at low cost. As China becomes richer and moves away from low-cost manufacturing this coming decade, the "West" will find it increasingly difficult to maintain the same standards. These woes will sooner rather than later add to the present economic condition in Europe and the US. Let us then see how sincere the West is about political morals and liberalism when it is dependent on Chinese largesse (however short-lived it might be).
But as you suggest and as Gordon Chang and others have pointed out for years all is not rosy in China. Their age-based demographics will not be able to sustain their momentum; their environmental cleanups will cost trillions one day, and their internal problems are highlighted by the fact that they had close to a 100,000 incidents of violent confrontations between people and officials just last year. They are also attracting a lot of antagonism in Africa, Asia, and, of course, the West. Even South America is very wary of them and understands that the Chinese are only looking out for themselves. The West had something to give when it arrived - it was mixed but it attracted people philosophically and to their ideas as well. The chinese are not doing that yet and money and clout is all important to them in their dealings. Let's see if that changes.
Re: Re: If India don't grow in future with more then 10 percent
by sri on Jan 13, 2011 10:47 PM
Imtiaz, the Chinese have allowed the Americans to maintain a high standard of living at low cost. As China becomes richer and moves away from low-cost manufacturing this coming decade, the "West" will find it increasingly difficult to maintain the same standards. These woes will sooner rather than later add to the present economic condition in Europe and the US. Let us then see how sincere the West is about political morals and liberalism when it is dependent on Chinese largesse (however short-lived it might be).
But as you suggest and as Gordon Chang and others have pointed out for years all is not rosy in China. Their age-based demographics will not be able to sustain their momentum; their environmental cleanups will cost trillions one day, and their internal problems are highlighted by the fact that they had close to a 100,000 incidents of violent confrontations between people and officials just last year. They are also attracting a lot of antagonism in Africa, Asia, and, of course, the West. Even South America is very wary of them and understands that the Chinese are only looking out for themselves. The West had something to give when it arrived - it was mixed but it attracted people philosophically and to their ideas as well. The chinese are not doing that yet and money and clout is all important to them in their dealings. Let's see if that changes.
Re: Re: Re: If India don't grow in future with more then 10 perc
by IMTIAZ KHAN on Jan 15, 2011 01:35 PM
Gary and Sri : all relevant points. Both posts are very good. Thanks. At last there are people on rediff who think and speak logically :-)
Best for India is to follow policy of national interests. But our politicians and leaders refused to follow this policy in the past. We should be doing following. 1) Make our economy and Army strong.(Even if you have do any thing-hook or crook) 2)Raise the issue of Tibet on international forum, encourage Tibetan popullation in India for freedom of Tibet.Take help of Western world for Tibet cause. When Hong kong can merge with china after 100 years then why can't Tibet be free after 60 years. 2)Raise Taiwan issue on international forums. 3) Co-operate with South Korea, Japan on defense issues and conduct Military Exercises. 4)People of India should reject and ignore Indian Communists ,who are sympathatic towards China. They consider Mao,Lenin their gods. They were happy when China attacked India and they consider Arunachal Pradesh as part of China. First we have to tackle enemies within The country.
It's just a Myth if anyone thinks that India will catch up with china in the near future for the simple reason that chinese loves their country and do everything to make their country and people proud whare as Here we have a govt. which is only intersted to loot the public and do everything possible under the sun to inject hatred among the citizens. They speak something and do just the opposite. Can't even select an Indian leader to and depend on a foreigner to rule us. India is going ahead by luck.
For a corrupt nation like Bharatvarsh the only alternative is to somehow grow together without any direct confrontations that will be ignited from time to time by the Chinese.
In the process, however, it is most likely that Bharatvarsh would stand to lose quite a bit of its territorial authority over a vast chunk of land that China claims belongs to them.
The bitter truth is Bharatvarsh is incapable of handling the protection of those territories gradually but ultimately falling into the Chinese hands.
The recent Chinese denial implies that they moved within their territory, i.e. Indian territory forcibly taken over by them.
