I have been listening and reading a debate in print msedia and watching it in TV. Every one talk about corruption at govt level, politican level. No one talk about corruption in the civil society. For our coveneience we have made this concept of Corruption. How can a handful of people can be corrupt. We have made them corrupt. If civil society discipline them selves there is no question of corruption left. What about the punishment who pays bribe for getting their work done. I think we have to develop national character in our self only then corruption cancer be cured. Lok pal bill is not the solution.
Re: Who is corrupt
by Mahi on May 09, 2011 06:18 PM
Dear we are not putting the blame only on certain section of society for corruption. We all are equally responsible. But first we have to address the institutionalized form of corruption.
Some people are saying that there already exist laws against corruption, which need to be implemented better, rather than framing new laws. While the importance of good law enforcement cannot be overemphasized, the existence of similar laws does not preclude the necessity of newer and tougher laws for a particular menace. The examples of laws for women & their rights & prevention of terrorist activites are two prime examples of how additional good laws can indeed provide some relief.
Will avoiding smoking prevent cancer? What a stupid question, ofcourse it will reduce the chances of lung cancer, but there is no guarantee, so should we all start smoking? What a circular logic!
The Lokpal bill is a great step forward to reducing corruption and the great ecosystem that feeds corruption. Corrupt businessmen looking to steal unfair profits through all kinds of means from tax evasion to underinvoicing to overinvoicing, politicians and senior bureacrats trying to become richer than middle level industrialists are major perpetrators of corruption, petty govt. employees, like police constables & the common man, are at the same time perpetrators and victims of the venality of the ecosystem of corruption.
One hopes that the Lokpal bill will indeed make life miserable for the corrupt politician - babu - industrialist nexus and thus weaken the ecosystem of corruption sufficiently for honest people to be at least allowed to survive.
Thus the Lokpal bill may greatly reduce corruption and is the best option we have at the moment. Secondly, there is no one solution to eradicate corruption, and I personally find appeals to the character / conscience of corrupt people to stop indulging in corruption, rather naive and even perhaps childish.
Mr Mahesh Bhatt please look at your self before pointing finger at Anna Hazare.Here is a man who has gone on a hunegr strike for a cause on which there is actually no solution(let's face it). doing something is better than doing nothing. If you find it co-ercive than i am sure you would agree that even Gandhi Ji's ways were un democratic and had " an element of co-ercion) be it maintaining status quo on first India Pak issue on Kashmir or even sharing the resources to them who are the biggest nuisance for us, he even co-erced us to go on a war with Britishers in 2nd world war.please weigh ebfore you speak...but why shd i expect sth like this from someone who has been a sheer Hippocrate. I remember in one of the episodes of Jeena isi ka naam hai when Lalu Yadav was invited he was also there and he praised him saying that during the Babri Masjid there were no riots in Bihar and credit goes to Lalu Ji for that. where does is fight against communism goes when a community of upper caste were killing and burning entire villages in Bihar of lower caste why did he praised lalu then. You have to straight in your choices.Mr Bhatt if you are reading this.please read his press excerpt he praised Modi for his work at Village level and not the way he came into power, he made it clear many a times and yes to remind you he also priased Nitish KUmar along with modi in the same pitch and voice and for very same reason. what gives you right to be selective in what he said and int
Re: What authority does Mahesh Bhatt has to comment on anna hazar
by Srinivasan Iyer on Apr 26, 2011 05:25 PM
Why not! As a member of civil society he has every right to make a comment. Neither Anna Hazare or his colleagues above board as to not to be commented upon. We are a democracy and anyone incl Mr Bhat hjas a right to give his opinion.
Re: Re: What authority does Mahesh Bhatt has to comment on anna h
by anil poothatta on May 10, 2011 03:10 AM
You are right upto the level where opinions are given unbiased mahesh is not a specialist on peoples affairs or on anything related with national growth. I see him speaking like this since last somany years . Consider a scenario where Mahesh is included in the committee ? Why he is not talking about Kiran Bedi? It is not the words but the timing and occassion that matters .
Re: Re: What authority does Mahesh Bhatt has to comment on anna h
by vipin mehrotra on Apr 27, 2011 11:42 AM
So our independence was also thru unethical means adopted by Gandhi?
Mr Mahesh Bhatt please look at your self before pointing finger at Anna Hazare.Here is a man who has gone on a hunegr strike for a cause on which there is actually no solution(let's face it). doing something is better than doing nothing. If you find it co-ercive than i am sure you would agree that even Gandhi Ji's ways were un democratic and had " an element of co-ercion) be it maintaining status quo on first India Pak issue on Kashmir or even sharing the resources to them who are the biggest nuisance for us, he even co-erced us to go on a war with Britishers in 2nd world war.please weigh ebfore you speak...but why shd i expect sth like this from someone who has been a sheer Hippocrate. I remember in one of the episodes of Jeena isi ka naam hai when Lalu Yadav was invited he was also there and he praised him saying that during the Babri Masjid there were no riots in Bihar and credit goes to Lalu Ji for that. where does is fight against communism goes when a community of upper caste were killing and burning entire villages in Bihar of lower caste why did he praised lalu then. You have to straight in your choices.Mr Bhatt if you are reading this.please read his press excerpt he praised Modi for his work at Village level and not the way he came into power, he made it clear many a times and yes to remind you he also priased Nitish KUmar along with modi in the same pitch and voice and for very same reason. what gives you right to be selective in what he said and int
Mr Mahesh Bhatt please look at your self before pointing finger at Anna Hazare.Here is a man who has gone on a hunegr strike for a cause on which there is actually no solution(let's face it). doing something is better than doing nothing. If you find it co-ercive than i am sure you would agree that even Gandhi Ji's ways were un democratic and had " an element of co-ercion) be it maintaining status quo on first India Pak issue on Kashmir or even sharing the resources to them who are the biggest nuisance for us, he even co-erced us to go on a war with Britishers in 2nd world war.please weigh ebfore you speak...but why shd i expect sth like this from someone who has been a sheer Hippocrate. I remember in one of the episodes of Jeena isi ka naam hai when Lalu Yadav was invited he was also there and he praised him saying that during the Babri Masjid there were no riots in Bihar and credit goes to Lalu Ji for that. where does is fight against communism goes when a community of upper caste were killing and burning entire villages in Bihar of lower caste why did he praised lalu then. You have to straight in your choices.Mr Bhatt if you are reading this.please read his press excerpt he praised Modi for his work at Village level and not the way he came into power, he made it clear many a times and yes to remind you he also priased Nitish KUmar along with modi in the same pitch and voice and for very same reason. what gives you right to be selective in what he said and int
Mr Mahesh Bhatt please look at your self before pointing finger at Anna Hazare.Here is a man who has gone on a hunegr strike for a cause on which there is actually no solution(let's face it). doing something is better than doing nothing. If you find it co-ercive than i am sure you would agree that even Gandhi Ji's ways were un democratic and had " an element of co-ercion) be it maintaining status quo on first India Pak issue on Kashmir or even sharing the resources to them who are the biggest nuisance for us, he even co-erced us to go on a war with Britishers in 2nd world war.please weigh ebfore you speak...but why shd i expect sth like this from someone who has been a sheer Hippocrate. I remember in one of the episodes of Jeena isi ka naam hai when Lalu Yadav was invited he was also there and he praised him saying that during the Babri Masjid there were no riots in Bihar and credit goes to Lalu Ji for that. where does is fight against communism goes when a community of upper caste were killing and burning entire villages in Bihar of lower caste why did he praised lalu then. You have to straight in your choices.Mr Bhatt if you are reading this.please read his press excerpt he praised Modi for his work at Village level and not the way he came into power, he made it clear many a times and yes to remind you he also priased Nitish KUmar along with modi in the same pitch and voice and for very same reason. what gives you right to be selective in what he said and int
Those who think that they have got a new gandhi in the shape of Anna are fools. Just check d political history of this man. All throughout his life he had been a congress man used by Congress to contain Sharad Pawar. Even now, just recall, the First thing which he did was to attack Sharad Pawar and get him out of Group of Minister. I do not say that Sharad Pawar is Raja Harischander, but, this shows the congress hand behind this man.
If u people are fool enough to not to appreciate that by putting this jocker in front, the Government and Congress, which were badly conrnered, had been able to fade out the 2G, CWG, Adarsh Society and so on from public discussions.
The Institution of Lokpal (Ombudsman as it is called in Legal Languge) is nothing new. In many western countries it is already there. You establish 1000 such Lokpal but they all will no good. What you need is good character of man officiating a seat of responsibkility.
Is there any guarntee that no further Thomas will happen to the seat of Lokpal as well. The CBI was conceived as independent agency to probe offences of grave multitude. But now it is virtually Congress Bureau of Investigation why? because of the people manning posts there.
In Israel, normal Police was able to secure conviction of President on the charges of Rape. They were also able to get their former Prime-minister who was sitting Minister, as well, get convicted for corruption charges.
Re: People are being fooled
by ohgandhi on Apr 25, 2011 10:31 AM
When effective any law works but corrupt and sychopants of congresslike you will ruin everything from CBI to CVC. Dont compare western countries where real democracy works unlike ours where dynasty rules democracy !
