If you need a PAN for transactions, and UID for PAN. Obviously you will be tracked on the banking transactions. Why feel scared if you don't have anything to hide? 1) UID linked to election rolls could eliminate false voting (real voting % might show up - 30%? anyone's guess!) 2) FAKE people will be found! (news one's might not get added - minimum) 3) Taxes! Distribution of income! 4) PDS and Poverty calculations (Don't have option to say 60% Indians below poverty line - atleast whoever comes into those lists would be non-duplicates and taxpayers get screwed less for non-taxpayers ingenuity!) lolz
Re: Wrong fears! Why if you are not doing any wrong?
by prags on Oct 13, 2010 08:32 AM
Even if you dont do wrong authorities can come after you. They only need a reason. For Eg I had once Exice raid on my office. I manufacture, sell tax exempted goods to Defence department. When I had raid I voluntarily cooperated with the dept. Now after 5 Months, I got a tax Notice (because i didnt give them bribe) asking me to pay tax and penalty because they have classified the goods manufactured as a computer because the manufactured Goods have inbuild computer. Now I had pay tax and went court. The court after 10 years struck down the case...My Argument was Airplane has inbuilt computer but is not classified as computer!!! Paying Unneeded taxes and penalties I lost Capital which I could have use to expand my business. UID has the provision for misuse.
Anything that begins india set to fail for one reason or other. Privacy is not a big issue here, rather how well this will be recieved by public..You can find private information about everyone on internet pages in this social networking era. So thats not the main concern. How well they can maintain this database on a long run? What about the politicians and all black money people? will they provide this id everywhere they do something with money? Will this be mandated for all the major transactions? If it could be mandated it may succeed. But will our public accept this mandate? Wait and See. You can never force people to accept things but it should come from within to accept good things. Are we that good? Will our politians live by example??
the author has dis-approved of UID mainly on the ground of invasion of privacy. Another ground has been cited as low levels of duplication that already exist. While I agree with the 'duplication' stuff, it is hard to believe why author does not see wisdom in implementing a data base of citizens that could give us the parameters of the country in real time.
The greatest benefit of the UID will be to put the house in order. Any body who hs had trouble to find a paper clip on a messy table top, would readily agree how important it is to have a neat work desk. Similarly, once we have all citizens on a hard disk, it will give us critical parameters of the country with the clik of a mouse.
Imagine an India where the UID can help track where a criminal fueled the vehicle on a chase. Would not it be easy to catch the criminal ? Imagine an India where the UIDs of new borns, combined with UIDs of deceased and the existing UIDs gives the population in real time. That will be so good to track real time population, beneficiaries of several govt plans etc.
An India with UID will improve social security. An India will UID will be an India well documented.
Finally, I for one do not mind my personal love stories if I have to chose between national security and my personal life. national security any time.
If I can trust Google and Yahoo with all my love stori-ed emails on their servers in distant california seven seas afar, I can anyday trust somebody sitting in Delhi.
the author has dis-approved of UID mainly on the ground of invasion of privacy. Another ground has been cited as low levels of duplication that already exist. While I agree with the 'duplication' stuff, it is hard to believe why author does not see wisdom in implementing a data base of citizens that could give us the parameters of the country in real time.
The greatest benefit of the UID will be to put the house in order. Any body who hs had trouble to find a paper clip on a messy table top, would readily agree how important it is to have a neat work desk. Similarly, once we have all citizens on a hard disk, it will give us critical parameters of the country with the clik of a mouse.
Imagine an India where the UID can help track where a criminal fueled the vehicle on a chase. Would not it be easy to catch the criminal ? Imagine an India where the UIDs of new borns, combined with UIDs of deceased and the existing UIDs gives the population in real time. That will be so good to track real time population, beneficiaries of several govt plans etc.
An India with UID will improve social security. An India will UID will be an India well documented.
Finally, I for one do not mind my personal love stories if I have to chose between national security and my personal life. national security any time.
If I can trust Google and Yahoo with all my love stori-ed emails on their servers in distant california seven seas afar, I can anyday trust somebody sitting in Delhi.
It is only perfidious creatures like Badwai who should fear. Go Govt Go. Get all these fifth columnists. Nationalist Indians, don't fall into a trap of these foreigners like badwai.
First, UID and SSN are not the same. You can always refuse to give the SSN number, you give to only those you trust. It is not needed to for insurance, bank accounts credit cards etc.
The UID does not have any intelligence associated. So what? The interested party can combine different databases that have the UID and extract intelligence.
There should be mistakes in the government records. They need not be 100% accurate.
How can you say that innocent does not have to fear. Those who control the database can link some criminal case to your ID. What if the ruling party uses the UID to identify the opposition party members and deny them their rights?
Biometrics is absolutely not necessary. Only criminals should be forced to give that.
Corporates cannot solve the problems of India. It is a fallacy from their superiority feelings. The UID project has also shown they are insensitive to criticism from civil society.
Why was the name changed to Aaadhaar? Just a PR exercise.
Re: No biometrics
by Sutapa Acharjee on Oct 13, 2010 01:58 AM
SSN is needed for employment, bank accounts and IRS. However we already have PAN to serve that purpose. By having UID, Indians will be the only ones with this disadvantage of having their biometrics stored in a database. What about Indian intelligence operatives, who may be charged abroad and then the Indian government forced to release their biometric data? This places India at a significant disadvantage. All over the world only criminals are required to give their DNA. Immigrants need only provide fingerprints. For a country like India, where privacy concerns are so lax, this is a serious encroachment on individual rights. To think, the government just decided, and it was put in place without any discussion or feedback from the society at large. This is one problem that cannot be undone. We better think through this carefully.
all technologies and systems are successful if only used in its limitations, and with proper care. In India, every scheme is bound to fail as there is no fear of law which will make the law maker the law breaker...so who is to protect whom ???
All developed countries used some form of UIS. In USA its called Social security number. Its used by IRS(tax collecting agency), universities, your employers, banks, etc. This eliminates the tax evation. I see biggest benefit with UID in India is elimination of black money(apart form making social benefits are reached to the targeted poor).
But we should also have privacy laws so that your health info should be shared only by hospitals not by other agencies(defenitely not by Health insurance or life insurance copanies). We should have policies/restrictions on who should have access to what info and whether we should get the court permission before such info is accessed etc.
Re: UID and privacy laws
by Riv on Oct 12, 2010 11:58 PM
Court formalities and insurance companies?, there is no guarantee here..In India everything has a price..
Re: UID and privacy laws
by TipTop on Oct 13, 2010 12:09 AM
We should have something like SSN instead of UID. UID is dangerous in long term. This project has been scrapped by Britain.
Re: Re: UID and privacy laws
by Ram Online on Oct 13, 2010 12:22 AM
What is the difference between UID(in India) and SSN(in USA). UID is using bio metric info. I believe that will help identify the people who open multiple bank accounts using multiple identities. Having bio metric info made it hard for people to have multiple identities. Can we eliminate the scams like Satyam scam with this? We have tons of black money in swiss banks. Can we plug the money laundering with this and reduce the black money?
