Irrespective of how many hrs we spend on television watching this bizzarre incident, we will all forget the incident after some time once the media gets something more spicy than this and I do not blame anyone for that as it is a natural human tendency and exactly that is the reason why politicians take our advantage all the time so much so as to the extent of public losing their precious life and their near and dear ones. Now the bigger question is can we avoid such instances in future ? May be yes, May be no. But Have we learnt from previous mistakes - definitely no. The simple reason why we have not learnt from our previous mistakes is that we have a regulator - DGCS which works under CA ministry which is actually a privately owned company of Mr Praful patel (or any other previous CA Minister, for that matter)and his coterie. DGCA formulates rules and DGCA investigates the mishaps. It is like asking a student to write the exam and supervise also as there is no one else to do so. Do we even have the guts to invite independent bodies like NTSB to look into such instances ? For how long incidents like these continue to be looked in the light of "Human error" or "Pilot Error". I'm not denying the possibility of such an error but isnt that time for us to become more mature and come out of our petty politics and beaureaucratic straps and be blunt with those who are responsible for protecting our lives ?
check the link avheralddotcom. This is the official site which tracks all accidents. going by the info in this site, looks like Air travel is no mor safer
Re: Air safety official site
by jacksparrow on May 24, 2010 12:53 PM
The word safer here is in times of accident is the escaping ways or chances ..somebody says when some body walks on the road hit with an accident dies .The answer no one gives bulk of money to walk on the road as a ticket .Does anybody knows last French air disaster over Atlantic ocean not even a single clue has been found out for that 320Death.The point here is we can travel in cycle,Bike,Auto,Car,Bus,Ship and Aeroplane ..but the chances of death escape is very less in aeroplane .Once airoplane takes of the sky the chances of finding the dead bodies or safe landing is 50:50 till the plane stops at the traget destination until then the answer is a big question mark.
Re: Air safety official site
by Joshua Dutt on May 24, 2010 12:38 PM
going in a bike, car,bus,train or evening walk is never safe. there is nothing called safe in the world.
Re: Re: Air safety official site
by subra on May 24, 2010 12:52 PM
Mangalore was inviting disaster.as regards return trip made by the plane,this happens to all flights which are even flying nonstop 8 hrs and they take off after an hour.considering the callous attitude/insincere work culture of AI,it is expected
Mr. D'Souza, being a editor in chief, an important position is just throwing statements on speculations. This is why I hate these media people. My question to him, on what basis he made the conclusion that the Pilot hit a pole? Just from survivors point of view alone, a conclusion should not be made. It is highly difficult for a passenger to recognize what had happened outside. It's not a two wheeler to do so. We need to think, what was the factor, (if in case the flight was hit by a pole) lead to that.
Again, any Pilot whether Indian or International is not making mistakes voluntarily. They do know, that they would not be alive to correct that for the next time if it is the case. More over, we need to respect the foreign pilots, because they were the key when India entered into the aviation industry, in operations and training our Indian Pilots.
Re: Speculations... Don't blame the Pilots
by sri dg on May 24, 2010 12:25 PM
I totally agree with your views.There are too many loose talks on all subjects and people do not even have expertise oover the subject
Re: Re: Speculations... Don't blame the Pilots
by thanigai vel on May 24, 2010 02:50 PM
Thank you. I agree your views as well. Unlike in US, in India we are getting more freedom to give these kind of talks, which boils up the issue, when used negatively.
Re: Speculations... Don't blame the Pilots
by V S on May 24, 2010 12:20 PM
I think the airplane hit the pole after skidding because the pilot braked too hard...and the pilot braked too hard because he had overshot the runway and had no chance to take off again.
Root cause is still the valley at the end of the runway and design flaw of the length of the runway which caused the pilot to brake hard and the wheel to burst as the plane skidded.
Re: Re: Speculations... Don't blame the Pilots
by ACHINTA ROY on May 24, 2010 12:41 PM
Everyone is strangely avoiding the callousness shown by Air Traffic Control. Is it a bus or a taxi that the pilot has to see from the windscreen and land at the correct spot. He has to be guided. If he has landed 2000 feet ahead then ATC is equally responsible for allowing him to do so. He has not freely fallen from sky but was slowly landing from sky. ATC failed to calculate where he was landing. We should stop hiring foreign pilots. Rather we should start hiring foregin ATC personnel who are more efficient.
Re: Re: Speculations... Don't blame the Pilots
by thanigai vel on May 24, 2010 02:57 PM
Even I read that and heard that through news/media. But, couldn't conclude that is the main reason for this disaster. I am a Civil Engineer as well, so I don't think engineers would designed/erected a pole which is in proximity to the runway. My assumption is, the flight might have deviated from its path as soon it was landed (Due to tire burst!?, don't know yet) and hit the pole, if in case it had hit the pole.
i feel scientific measures & protocols should be followed strictly..if the pilot had followed the scientific measurements of height in travel, density of air and weight of craft etc. this type of accidents can be stopped...i request any scientist to revert on my comment...and i would prefer a debate in rediff here...
mr walter .. pls leave it to the expert to find out the real cause... there is lot of difference between 1000 ft and 1000 mtr ... mant flights operate with 1 hr break for example Delhi- Bhubaeswar flight... accient has not happened since 2006 does not mean it is safe... WE MUST FOLLOW ALL SAFETY NORMS.. THINK WE WOULD HAVE SAVED SO MANY PRECIOUS LIVES IF WE HAD 1000 FT EXTRA...
Re: Re: the real cause
by B M on May 24, 2010 08:25 AM
The original post is clear. Dhingra needs to go for a course in English to improve his understanding of the language.
I feel Rediff should not publish general public statements with a title "The crew and the aircraft are overburdened" which can mislead people into thinking that it is true. Opinions can not become facts.
"...It stops there for an hour and then immediately returns to Mangalore. I feel that the maintenance time is too short for this flight ..."
This argument is rubbish! A one hour time between the arriving and returning flight is quite common for a short haul flight like Mangalore-Dubai. The technical staff just perform routing inspection of the aircraft before departure and no serious maintenance work is expected when the aircraft is away from its home location specially on such a short haul route. There is nothing wrong in the 1 hour break for the departing flight!
Re: Rubbish Argument
by george thomas on May 24, 2010 12:41 PM
For a Boeing 737-800 .. Transit maintenance at Dubai of one hour is more than sufficient. Transit maintenance is nothing but checking of various components before taking-off again. If any defects are noticed, it will be rectified. Catering, cleaning of cabin, refueling of aircraft, etc. are done.
Re: Rubbish Argument
by rohit dhingra on May 24, 2010 08:12 AM
After the investigation is done and if its a technical error your 1 hour argument could be costly. Stop giving your stupid opinion when u don't know about the tecnicality.
Re: Re: Rubbish Argument
by B M on May 24, 2010 08:24 AM
You stupid bum! (dhingra), your point is irrelevant!
As long as the airlines allow time required for inspection and all routing maintenance between flights (which will depend on the duration of the flight), it should be considered reasonable. If a defect is found during inspection, then OFCOURSE, the flight will be delayed. It is senseless to increase the waiting time in the original schedule itself to allow for repairs which may not be required!!
For short haul flights, 1 hour waiting time standard not just for AirIndia, but all reputed international airlines. Ofcourse, waiting time is longer if the incoming flight is of a longer duration.
