As per anthropology, now called telangana was ruled by several communities, castes, and always pushed out to nearby cities by the islamists. islamists once they occupied and annexed the region, they kill king & their men in front of their woman fold. that woman was forcily taken as wives and converted to islam. the illicit children follow islam. Telangan is not jagirdar of velama k chandra sekar rao, vijay reddy or pitchy reddy. before knowing history knew better the anthropology. than people will hang kcr & gang who support the separate state.
Re: No telangana fraud kcr ignited, bunch of unemployed political
by suresh chandra on Aug 22, 2010 05:46 PM
Mr Anthropolist!!! Please re-educate your self.
If you know the history then tell to other, otherwise simply keep quite. Actual history is Hyderabad city was build in 16th century, befor that the capital of nizams's is Golkonda , whichwas a small durgam in the time of Kakatiayas. At that time kakatiya's capital was warangal(vorugallu). It means that at the time of kakatiya we don't have any city like Hyderabad.
If you see the history of charminar which was build before Hyderabad in early 16th century.
Re: Hyderabad is not a copital for Telangana
by Chandra Paul on Aug 20, 2010 07:34 PM
what is the difference.. same place but name changed later. Golkonda as Hyderabad, Orugallu as Warangal, Bezawada as Vijayawada, Chennapatnam as Madras and Chennai.
J. Sharma is also saying the same. Hyd is not the capital of Telangana
As a part of my research on Telengana issue, I extensively travelled all districts of AP. The study results are,
1. Sitiuation in cities and villages is entirely different from what we see at Hyderabd capital city (even here the traffic, pollution, quality of life are very bad). 2. All over the state the living conditions, such as water, sanitation, traffic, law & order, employment oppertunities, pollution are in very bad shape. 3. I cannot say which part of the state is developed and which is not most of the people are under abject poverty. 4. Politicians think they are above the law, and politics is for making money in shoddy deals. 5. India is going to have bigger problems for managing internal resources efficiently and developing living conditions. 6. Terrorism and external threats from chaina are also major problems. 7. But surprisingly none of the ministers or MLAs, MPs have any required knowledge are skills to solve internal problems are external threats. 8. In AP region Govt is allowing people to fight for emotional issues such as splitting the state. this is a technical issues to be addressed by the Central & State Govt. 9. The states future is bleak.
Re: Telengana
by Kalyan Ram on Aug 20, 2010 03:30 PM
@Yashwant What is the topic of your research What are the findings of your research? What are your recommendations? Research cannot be vague. How are you bringing external threats into internal problems of AP. Dont make a sweeping statement that future of the state is bleak.
This Professor tried to seperate South and North Telangana districts. In reality there is no such seperation. Whole Telangana have similar issues. Biggest issue is the discrimination of Andhra dominated AP govt.
Demography: In Telangana districts, Outside Hyderabad, Mulsim population is between 5% and 15%. Average is 8.5%. For eg North Telangana district of Warangal have about 5% of muslim population. Also, South Telangana district of Nalgonda have about 5% of population. North Telangana district of Nizamabad have 14.4% of muslim polulation. Hence Professor lied when he said "Southern Telangana comprises mostly Muslim residents.".
This author says under development/ discrimination is not issue. See my messages below for some stats.
If you are against Telangana formation its fine. But don't lie. You just loose your credibility.
Links to these stats availabe in wiki article on Telangana.
Re: This professor is liar
by jay loya on Aug 20, 2010 12:20 PM
you know what? there is no point in proving ur point here on rediff, its like sailing a boar without water, u know what u should do ram online, go and fight with KCR ask him why he is not committing suicide instead of provoking innocent students who are immatured to commit suicide, ask harish rao to commit suicide they wont cause they need power and money, poor parents of those innocent people who got carried away with those idiots provocation and committed suicide. Another thing u can do is go commit suicide see if telangana will be formed, until few months back i didnt know that telangana people see andhrites as seperate entities, jeez guys look at the reality. you guys not gonna get any better with telengana thats the truth. KCRs political gamble worked when his party almost dead in the last elections. You guys are just an innocent pray of KCR. good luck,
Re: This professor is liar
by jay loya on Aug 20, 2010 12:10 PM
u think andhrites plundering u? wait until KCR use u guys and crush under his shoes, its all political gamble, he is no better than ali jinna, who is responsible for todays pakistans plight, Telangana will become another pakistan with all the rebels and naxalites in it, good luck, wiki?? I can change the info on the wikipedia, so dont worry about wikipedia my friend about the stats, thats fine im not against telangana, more than 100 percent sure, ur not gonna gain anything from telangana other than KCR filling more of his already rich barrels, anyways good luck. Even if telangana is formed it wont benefit u guys, remember that.
Re: Re: This professor is liar
by Ram Online on Aug 20, 2010 12:14 PM
I told look for links in wiki. Those links are from news papers or from govt web sites. Sinc rediff won't allow the links I just mentioned where to find links.
You don't have believe whats in wiki but at least you have links do your research.
Re: Re: Re: This professor is liar
by jay loya on Aug 20, 2010 12:22 PM
dont have time for research, dont waste ur time on tht stupid kcr, good luck on telangana
Reason for Telanga movment is the discrimination of Andhra dominated AP govt towards the Telangana people.
42% of people in AP are Telanganites.
Even constitutional guarantees(in the form of article 371/aka presidential order) did not protect the Telangana people from discrmination in government employment what to expect in private sector?
Here are some stats regarding govt employment.
Only 20% of total Government employees, less than 10% employees in secretariat, less than 5% of head of the departments in Andhra Pradesh are from Telangana. More than the loss of jobs, Telangana people lost the representation in government subsequently lost out in the budget allocations, subsidies and attention to their problems.
Re: Re: Discrimination is the reason for T-movement
by Kalyan Ram on Aug 20, 2010 07:02 PM
@Panuganti This ramonline is a typical T separatists, He will make some postings based upon the lessons he took from the tutorials of Jayasankar and Kodandaram, the movement we give fitting reply, he will disappear.
If you look at the message in this forum; its clear Andhrite opposing Telangana because they think they loose Hyderabad. But it was never belongs to them.
All the major assets of Hyderabad city were built in late 19th century and early 20th century by the taxes of Telangana people. Before 1956, Hyderabad was 5th largest city. Ambedkar, in 1950s, argued that Hyderabad has all amenities to become second capital of India.
Hyderabad would have developed even if Telangana was not merged with Andhra state in 1956(as per SRC recommendations). It was developed by using revenues raised from Telangana or by using central government funds which it spent on all major cities(like Bombay, Bangalore etc). Hyderabad development in post-1956 period happened mostly because Central government decided to establish lot of defense related industries (DRDO, ECIL, BHEL, etc) in Hyderabad. Central government choose to establish them in Hyderabad because it has readily available infrastructure, it is away from border/coastline and because of the availability of government lands.
Taxes of Andhra districts were not used to develop Hyderabad. In reality, Revenues from Telangana were diverted to the development of Andhra districts. In last 50 years history of AP, Telangana always contributed more than 60%-70% of revenues to the AP and AP government spent less than 30%-40% of those revenues in Telangana including Hyderabad.
Re: Hyderabad
by Ram Online on Aug 20, 2010 11:55 AM
We hear argument that Andhra people developed Hyderabad. I strongly disagree with that view. People or Investors move to new place looking for opportunities. Nobody go to a new place to develop it. All Indians migrated to cities. All cities grew 10-20times in population and area. Its natural progress. We cannot say certain people developed Hyderabad city. We can say every resident of the city contributed to the development of the city. In my view every resident of Hyderabad is Telanganite. City will continue to attract the best talent and investments even after the formation of Telangana.
Re: Hyderabad
by Thunder murthy on Aug 20, 2010 01:43 PM
You people say Telangana is backward but you contributed 60% -70% ??? how is that possible... when there is income you pay taxes. that's where the revenue comes. which one is correct ??? your backwardness or you had gr8 income and paying huge taxes . here is the fact for the educated illiterates in Telangana. Telangana revenue is about 52-53 % in which 40 - 41% is from Hyderabad. Obviously 99% of Hyderabad revenue is generated by Non-Telanganites. Usually ProT's math will be like ...they will say Telangana revenue is 52% (including Hyderabad) and they spend 35% only(excluding Hyderabad). Funny part is they do such maths with SKC ...and they strongly believe SKC can't find their tactics. They will know that when SKC report it to Central govt.
Re: Re: Hyderabad
by Kalyan Ram on Aug 20, 2010 03:40 PM
Let us be specific What is the contribution of T people in Hyd. All the magnificient monuments in Hyd were built by qutub shahis and Asif shahis, IT, Pharma,Film, Health,entertainment hospitality, real estate and key economic nerve centers were developed by A-R people. contribution of T people are Bonalus, batukammas, Half nacked bare footed ballad singers, strikes, agitations, goondagardi and vandalism. What mr Ram on line will say about it? Contribution should be meaningful not vague. More over many separatists talk about high revenues of Hyd state. Yes Nizam had surplus budget no doubt, Because he used to collect taxes at higher rates in harsh methods, and never spent on any of the welfare measures, He has not opened a single school or college in T region, all the education was confined to Hyd city with urdu as medium of instruction. If Govt doesnot spend tax revenues on welfare and development,naturally they will have surplus budgets, what is there to ponder about. That cannot be shown as development.
Re: Hyderabad
by National Highway on Aug 20, 2010 04:18 PM
Hyderabad was built 400 years ago. S-A was part of hyderabad state until this region was leased out by Nizam to British in ~1800 to get protection. So S-A contributed to hyderabad development directly until 1800 and indirectly until India got independence in 1947. Hyderabad state had 16 districts (8 in telangana, 3 kannada and 5 maratha). So even in Hyderabad state, all regions, not just telangana region, contributed for the hyderabad development. In 1956, hyderabad become AP capital by default. Do you think kannada and maratha people would agree to merge with Maharashtra and Karntaka and leave hyderabad to telangana people? Kannada and maratha regions of hyderabad state agreed for their mergers because telangana agreed to merge with Andhra to become AP. If telangana region (never was a state) of hyderabad state not part of AP, it would have been part of hyderabad state. The initial development in hyderabad happened not only due to the central government funded industries but also due to privately owned pharmaceutical industries. However, the main economic development in hyderabad happened in 1990s due to IT. So in a pessimistic point of view, the development happened in hyderabad naturally and the same way under development in telangana (and S-A). As some one pointed out already, if telangana is claimed to be under developed, how this region contributing 60-70% of revenues of the AP? Any way, the interview is spot on and informative for people outside the state.
