In India we have the evil caste system. Indians discrimate their own people. This discrimination is being going on for thousands of years. India needs to fix its own house first before lecturing Australia.
Re: Australian society compared to India
by ad na on Jun 03, 2009 06:28 AM
well well and hasn't India done so, we have reservations for jobs and education. It's called positive discrimination. India has done enough so chill and watch your back your beloved Ozzie might stab you.
Re: Re: Australian society compared to India
by Against Pseudos on Jun 03, 2009 06:32 AM
Ad Na:
I congratulate all of us to be living in India where no one gets stabbed.... We must teach the rest of the world how to create a Crime Free society.... :)
Re: Australian society compared to India
by Rivka Mishra on Jun 03, 2009 02:27 PM
If we were to follow your reasoning, the Indian government should do nothing to protect its own citizens. And perhaps you also think that the Indian students are wrong in asking the Australian state to protect them.
Perhaps if I were to put to you that if one or several of these students who were attacked was from a "lower caste" background, you may be persuaded into thinking that it is right to ask the Australian state to take measures to protect these Indian students? I do not for a moment think that an Australian gang on a train is particularly mindful of obsolete Indian caste heirarchies.
By all means, it is right to consign the caste system to history, which the Constitution did in 1950. But to suggest that the Indian authorities do nothing in the face of attacks on their own citizens, is utterly irresponsible on your part.
Re: Re: Australian society compared to India
by jafferkhan on Jun 03, 2009 09:35 AM
Fully agree with views of KUMAR, no doubt India is most racist society in world.
What it wonders me is if something like this happens in India ... internation media will be silent.It seems there is link between Politicians and media. India is very well know for segregation of castes, religions, languages etc. That main reason I escaped from it forever and living happily abroad.
Re: It always happens in India
by Narasimharao Cherukupalli on Jun 03, 2009 06:55 AM
what a load of crap! You cannot say "it happens in your own country also so let me kill you".
Every society has its own pitfalls. It does not mean that we cannot condemn a wrong doing when it happens. Do you know how many people fight against these attrocities in India and in any other country? Basically when bad things happen we have to deal with them head on in India or elsewhere. It has become fashionable to blame India after we leave India for another country. As citizens of any country or community if we bahave in a civic manner I think the world will be a better place. Just because something bad happens in India we dont have to justify bad things in other countries and vice versa. Its a struggle everywhere, how many of the guys talking here about caste system are ready to marry into other castes? there are very hard questions to be asked. but nothing would justify attacks on a fellow human. Condemn it wherever and whenever it happens.
Re: Re: Re: It always happens in India
by Rivka Mishra on Jun 03, 2009 02:30 PM
You only need to look up an Indian newspaper to read that violent crime is in fact reported.
Another aspect of news reporting in Indian is that crime against foreigners is ALWAYS reported. The police are forced into taking action.
It is reasonable to expect the Australian police to do the same.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: It always happens in India
by Rivka Mishra on Jun 03, 2009 02:40 PM
And I gave you my answer: I do not think the media will be silent.
Re: The Racial Discrimination Act in india
by Rivka Mishra on Jun 03, 2009 02:44 PM
Article 14 of the Indian constitution guarantees that all citizens shall be equally protected by the laws of the country. It means that the State cannot discriminate against a citizen on the basis of caste, creed, colour, sex, religion or place of birth.
Article 15 of the constitution states that no person shall be discriminated on the basis of caste, colour, language or sex.
Re: The Racial Discrimination Act in india
by JaiHanumaan on Jun 03, 2009 02:25 AM
On the other hand whites are incapable of producing other races but their own .. so are blacks and chinese ..
Re: The Racial Discrimination Act in india
by JaiHanumaan on Jun 03, 2009 02:22 AM
We are not a pure race .. we r quite fxuxked up .. we have a caste to measure and control the fukup .. but still we dont learn keep kuxking eachother down into a bottomless hole .. india is a perfect example for the whole world to see what a fuxxck up of different races at a grand scale can lead to ..
Re: Re: The Racial Discrimination Act in india
by Narasimharao Cherukupalli on Jun 03, 2009 06:54 AM
what a load of crap! You cannot say "it happens in your own country also so let me kill you".
Every society has its own pitfalls. It does not mean that we cannot condemn a wrong doing when it happens. Do you know how many people fight against these attrocities in India and in any other country? Basically when bad things happen we have to deal with them head on in India or elsewhere. It has become fashionable to blame India after we leave India for another country. As citizens of any country or community if we bahave in a civic manner I think the world will be a better place. Just because something bad happens in India we dont have to justify bad things in other countries and vice versa. Its a struggle everywhere, how many of the guys talking here about caste system are ready to marry into other castes? there are very hard questions to be asked. but nothing would justify attacks on a fellow human. Condemn it wherever and whenever it happens.
Re: Re: Re: The Racial Discrimination Act in india
by Byron Buttersmith on Jun 03, 2009 08:47 AM
what a load of crap! You cannot say "it happens in your own country also so let me kill you".
Every society has its own pitfalls. It does not mean that we cannot condemn a wrong doing when it happens. Do you know how many people fight against these attrocities in India and in any other country? Basically when bad things happen we have to deal with them head on in India or elsewhere. It has become fashionable to blame India after we leave India for another country. As citizens of any country or community if we bahave in a civic manner I think the world will be a better place. Just because something bad happens in India we dont have to justify bad things in other countries and vice versa. Its a struggle everywhere, how many of the guys talking here about caste system are ready to marry into other castes? there are very hard questions to be asked. but nothing would justify attacks on a fellow human. Condemn it wherever and whenever it happens
Before saying this as a racial attack i would say more as a attack for survival. Many place in hyderabad cant be accessed by the hindu community.. I bet there would be many places around india...... lets try to make our country tolerant then we can speak of other countries racism...............
Re: How many places are not hostile to other communities in india
by jafferkhan on Jun 03, 2009 09:39 AM
Why do you take reference of only Hyderaba, tehre are many places in country where Muslims are not allowed to live. For example in Bombay muslims are not allowed to buy any property.Even in Surat, Ahamedabad and many more places where upper caste hindus never allow any minorities, why we should talk of Australia, let us correct situation at home first.
if you will notice there is huge chunk of youngsters these days who wear western outfits but cannot speak fluent english and also not have a 'western attitude'. i dont mean to demean anyone speaking hindi but the point im trying to make here is many of such students go aborad for higher education and are unable to integrate becoz of their inability to communicate in fluent english and 'non-western' mindset. if u look around even in india the english and non english speaking people do not really integrate. they have diff groups in college,office etc.
when those with traditonal mindset visit a western country it becomes very hard for them to adapt to the local culture. wearing western outfits is one thing but having that mindset is a different ballgame altogether..
Re: mindset mismatch
by Rivka Mishra on Jun 03, 2009 02:41 PM
I do not think Indian students are attacked with screwdrivers on a Melbourne train because they lack manners. I am more inclined to think that the attackers lack every sense of humanity.
Re: mindset mismatch
by cursed democracy on Jun 03, 2009 12:06 AM
Non sense thought YO. When Brits where in your country you respect them because they spoke your language ? They ate your food ? They worshiped your Gods ? They wore your dress ?
Re: Re: mindset mismatch
by gac on Jun 03, 2009 12:30 AM
do you think our people respected brits, maybe people like you respected them n you talk about IQ.
Re: Re: mindset mismatch
by rachel here on Jun 03, 2009 12:10 AM
in fact british were not respected becoz they did most things contrary to indian culture...
Re: mindset mismatch
by gac on Jun 03, 2009 12:43 AM
what u say is true, and it is the same reason why mostly the first generation indians are abused racially. whatever it is physical attacks has to be condemned and the schools in OZ has to make sure they give visas only indian students who are capable to adapt OZ lifestyle and reject others, but they dont see that and see money as the major criteria.
Re: Re: mindset mismatch
by Sushim Roy on Jun 03, 2009 02:18 AM
hi gac, when you are saying the first and second generation...it's these first generation immigrants who are given the visa and residency etc. on the basis of their skill sets....the skill sets required to build and forward the country...the second generation get everything just like that....and that's one big reason why they are so much hopeless... You never find a first generation immigrant creating nonsense or mugging you on the street or abusing you for hatred/jealousy
if you will notice there is huge chunk of youngsters these days who wear western outfits but cannot speak fluent hindi and not have 'western attitude'. i dont mean to demean anyone speaking hindi but the point im trying to make here is many of such students go aborad for higher education and are unable to integrate becoz of their inability to communicate in fluent english and 'non-western' mindset. if u look around even in india the english and non english speaking people do not really integrate. they have diff groups in college,office etc.
when those with traditonal mindset visit a western country it becomes very hard for them to adapt to the local culture. wearing western clothes is one thing but having that mindset is a different ballgame altogether..
Re: prob of adaptibility.....
by Rivka Mishra on Jun 03, 2009 02:40 PM
I do not think Indian students are attacked with screwdrivers on a Melbourne train because they lack manners. I am more inclined to think that the attackers lack every sense of humanity.
Re: prob of adaptibility.....
by sukumar on Jun 02, 2009 11:58 PM
You mean to say that if an Indian can't speak English very well, cannot wear proper western clothes in australia meaning australians have enough rights to attack indians.
Re: Re: prob of adaptibility.....
by sukumar on Jun 03, 2009 12:00 AM
If you live abroad especially in western countries they don't care about you or your culture.
As long you don't disturb them . All these attacks are happening because australia is facing severe recession. Australians are loosing jobs whereas an Indian is still working and making money. so Australians jealous and anger turn out to be these attacks.
Re: Re: Re: prob of adaptibility.....
by rachel here on Jun 03, 2009 12:07 AM
in that case all working indians there must complain of racial abuse, isnt it?
Re: Re: Re: Re: prob of adaptibility.....
by sukumar on Jun 03, 2009 12:22 AM
Good question, I have no answer for this. But I wish no one should be attacked in any parts of the world for no reasons.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: prob of adaptibility.....
by Truth BeTold on Jun 03, 2009 12:53 AM
okay, so are you saying that you know for sure that these Indians who were attacked in Australia were attacked for "no reason"? That sounds a like a lot of baloney to me.
Lot of post states that india has lot of issues then why are we blaming Australia for these attacks.This view is totally wrong. Every country has their own internal issues. But this does not provide rights/freedom for other countries to attack on Indians.
Bad things about USA & Canada 1. Life style : An average american marries twice or thrice in his life time. You can see lot of single mother in USA. 2. Weather :Especially Winters are horrible in some parts of USA and Canada 3. Racial Discrmination . 4. Politics :The only difference is these people are more patriotic and not corrupted. Otherwise all the dramas are similar to indian politics. 5. Huge Tax :In canada even if you breathe you will have gst/hst taxes on it 6. Drugs :Drugs are available to all school students in most parts of USA and Canada. Gangs / Groups : Gang culture is widely present in USA and Canada. Especially in schools and colleges. Use of Guns : In Canada, we hear 2/3 incidents of school students using guns inside school and injure their classmates. 9. Unemployment : In the recession period we can see lot of activities against immigrants especially indians because americans and canadians does not have jobs here whereas a Indian is working. So this situation triggers this voilent attacks against Indians. To whomsover it may concern, If you are indian living in India or abroad try to respect our country and accept our country as it is and work towards our country's growth.
Re: Our India appreciate it and accept it
by Truth BeTold on Jun 03, 2009 12:03 AM
Sukumar, you are one misinformed guy. I can write 100 things that are wrong with India in the same spirit but thats not the point. Law and order is extremely bad in India compared to any western country and the things that you are shouting against happen every day in India and no one notices it.
Re: Re: Our India appreciate it and accept it
by sukumar on Jun 03, 2009 12:10 AM
I accept we have lot of issues evern I can write 1000 things. My point is we ourselved have lot of problems agreed but that doesn't give privilege for others to attack us.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Our India appreciate it and accept it
by Truth BeTold on Jun 03, 2009 12:51 AM
This is what I talked about when I said you are misinformed. All the things that you have listed are only half truths. Its funny that you list so many problems with US, UK, Canada and Australia and yet India is the one which is at the bottom of the rung for human development, progress, infrastructure civic sense, cleanliness etc.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Our India appreciate it and accept it
by Amit Tripathi on Jun 03, 2009 12:44 PM
If misinformation is the criteria let us not forget that the progress, infrastructure,civic sense,cleanliness etc. were not something for which the predecessors of western world came here for...to compare the present state of development of these nations with ours which was economically exploited for more than 200 years would be farcical.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Our India appreciate it and accept it
by sukumar on Jun 03, 2009 01:30 AM
Read my post properly. I never denied tha fact that India has so many issues. My point all the other countries too have their own isssues.
Especially if you take western countries drugs play a vital role with youngsters.
You can hurt other especially indians abroad for the following reasons.
1. Speaking loud in public places
2. No clean
3. No english fluency etc
4. In india people are fighting with each other based on religion caste etc.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Our India appreciate it and accept it
by Rivka Mishra on Jun 03, 2009 02:52 PM
Why should lack of fluency in English be a reason to attack anyone?
I always speak loudly in public places in all countries. I have never been attacked.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Our India appreciate it and accept it
by Rivka Mishra on Jun 03, 2009 02:48 PM
I agree with you. In India at least we know that there are problems. There is discrimination, inequality and injustice, but we know it is there. We are not proud of it.
Many Western countries like to think that they are above criticism. Corruption is quite common in most Western countries, but it happens in different, more subtle ways.
Re: Re: Re: Our India appreciate it and accept it
by Against Pseudos on Jun 03, 2009 06:50 AM
Sukumar:
Since every country has its set of issues as mentioned by you, then obviously Australia has its set of sporadic crimes too... The point is - is it worth shouting the whole world hoarse about?... Out of 95000 students, if some happen to be victims of some crime in a late night train or a pub, it is NOT a privilege for others to attack Indians... It is wayward punks out of hand..... Hopefully law will take its course and guilty will be apprehended..
Re: Indians stay home
by guy giggling on Jun 02, 2009 10:47 PM
They don't go there with a begging bowl buddy. They take money from here. Australia's third highest forex earner is Education, Indians number about 100000 which is the highest for any ethnicity.
Re: Re: Indians stay home
by Jayakwadi Jayakwadi on Jun 03, 2009 09:17 AM
then what exactly they are suppose to do?seat in India and do political slavery.India clearly can not provide higher education to its young citizens (it can not provide primary education forget about higher). India can not provide job to these young people(all these talks of rising economy and GDP is going in corruption,nepotism ,fraud and personal accounts of industrialists).Even after 60 years election issues are water, electricity and road.not that India have no money but these political termites will not let that happen.an honest hardworking man can not live a peaceful life without ass kissing any political leader.It took 60 years to our great prime minister,to realize that country have single digit no IIT's and IIM's and need to build new ones.and country is full of retards who sell theri votes for bottle of wine or 100 rupees. Actually you guys are looser, those who have gone out side country,have at least shown courage to step out and showed ambition to grab this world with their hands. Nonproductive, cowards like you who neither unite to change situation in India nor can support people who are trying to do better,need not have to teach philosophy.
Re: Re: Indians stay home
by cursed democracy on Jun 02, 2009 11:21 PM
What they going to do with all these prescious 'phoreign' degrees ! Go to Italy and join the mafia ? One smart lady without any degree is taking shots of Indians !!!
A successful ENTREPRENEUR is worth 10 MBAs and 10 PHDs. However, I suggest every Indian to work and live in a Western Nation for at-least 3 months. You will learn the good, bad and ugly sides of their and YOUR culture and socio-economic conditions.
"A country is not made of land; a country is made of its people." -- Unknown
I agree with this article. Its very easy to confuse any attack in a foreign country to be racially motivated. Indians on this board are talking as if every one is safe in India. These kinds of things happen every where and happen in India very frequently but dont get reported. Indians should learn to stop whining about every attack that happens to them as a racial attack.
Re: Agree
by raj arora on Jun 02, 2009 09:26 PM
well said we have forgotten the great mns rule in bombay the dowry burning the high caste low caste then where are our rt indian brethren sittin with their legs up and drinkin chai or spitiin paan?
