I would not like to comment on the racial issue here. But would like to point out a very different issue. The so called, successful NRIs have all been educated under a subsidized system in India which gave them the definitive edge and at the same time drained the tax payers' (like us) money. So, at the end, these guys should at least pay back their EMIs to the Indian populace. Simple. If they don't, Indian government should make sure that their worldly possessions within the country are requisitioned.
Let us look at both sides. It is eminently possible that some young men of India have behaved in an unwanted way in Australia. India - especially north India - is an astoundingly male-dominated society where boys are brought up with the belief that they can do anything and everything. Hence, it may not be unnatural to suggest that at least some Indian students behaved in an unwanted way in Australia.
However, it may be also true that a section of the Australian youths chose to attack and scare away the Indian students, because they were afraid of the Indian competition! After all, judging the nature of the Australian cricketers and cricket coaches, such unseemly behaviour of a section of Australians may not be unnatural!
Re: Two Sides
by Against Pseudos on Jul 14, 2009 06:32 AM
HR:
Yes and no......
First up if you are looking at both sides, then also look at who the attackers are..... They too come from varied backgrounds viz Lebanon, Greece, Iran, Poland, Russia etc....
The way you heard one Aussie called Rambal speaking on the issue, there are other Aussies at work late night wreaking havoc as well.....
Secondly, considering that the Aussie universities are roaming world-over to attract students, is enough indication that there are no "competing students" back home who are being denied admissions a la Indian IIT ishtyle (cry cry that 35% student took my seat away.... cry cry)....
Thirdly, no student would risk his/her career by indulging in this type of attacks..... d'ya know how many arrests have happened on these issues?....
Anyway.... enough ranting....closing the chapter now....
See guys, you like it or not, i dont know from where we got this bad habit. We use loudspeakers for every damn thing as if everybody around is deaf, and making them deaf actually. We have no respect for women, children and the aged. Compare how we behave in public transport compared to the aussies. I know for sure that my companion who is about 75 was given seat in train with all the respect by the aussie guy who was around 10 yrs younger to him. And i will be doing injustice if i dont quote the way thank you and im sorry are used so often and so sweetly by them (including our guys settled there). Now a few places to mention about our own community-Liverpool(Kannadigas)-Stratfor(Telugus)-Westmead(known as mini India today). What are you trying to blame and whom. First of all learn to live and let live here with all civility and then talk of others. Now somebody talks abt NRIs. They have been a great help to this country, and dont blame them ignorantly(this is for those idiots only who blame NRIs)
Re: Australia-Talk of our own country-which we spoil
by icshyderabad on Jul 13, 2009 11:25 PM
As there are no replies, it is taken for granted that all guys agree and it is great, and atleast now start being civic
Its like saying that a rape victim was asking for it since she (maybe he) was provocatively dressed or drunk or whatever. Go bl*w yourself Desi traitor!
Re: Re: Yeah sure, blame the victim!
by mahesh sawant on Jul 13, 2009 11:35 PM
Yes and what u r rahul G @ N D U will so .. will he plan to stay overnite in any dalits house or any farmers house ?
Recently I was in Australia and learnt the actual reason behind so called racial attacks on Indians. The fact is that these all attacks have been non-racial and have been result of instigation and bad companies by some bachelor degree donation admitted students from India mainly from Punjabi and Haryanvi families. For most of the incidents only these two communities were involved. These Punjabi and Haryanvi victims were actually brats who got admission in Australia having rich affluent background at India, through money and usually they are involved in all wrong things like girls, search for sexual parties, boozing and wrongful earning of money. They use abusive language which Australians too have learnt from their Hindi friends and especially after Harbhajan episode they have learnt many. In all these attacks only graduate students were involved. No working Indian was ever attacked and no higher degree persuing Indian student was ever attacked. Back in India, these news channels, since have connections to the victims families, aired false news of racial attacks, while the fact is that all these attacks have been over th brats. They used India name to defame Australia dn put it in racial map bringing it humiliation nondeservingly.
Now the thing which Indians are facing there is alienation in Australia due to this wrong reporting and Indians facing difficulties in Permanent residentship for Australia!
Re: Truth: Punjabi and Haryanvi rich brats started the trouble
by murty on Jul 13, 2009 10:28 PM
We indians are known abroad and in India for our bad manners,foul mouths and bad language.Many of them do not know how to conduct themselves.They shout in the malls,show the other man by a pointing finger,which are considered bad manners.The way they eat food in hotels and parties,watching becomes unbearable.It is mainly due to bad bringing up by their parents.The influence of Movies,and (bad mannered) political leaders shown in media as example,brought the students to this state.The ill gotten money never taught them good manners.But taught arrogancy.The result is seen what they are getting now.It does not cost you to learn good manners and be polite
Re: Re: Truth: Punjabi and Haryanvi rich brats started the troubl
by kiran desai on Jul 13, 2009 11:25 PM
This is centuries of Zl**ry speaking! U ppl r still mentally zla**e of developed nations! Wat is def of manners, watever US and AUS ppl do, isnt it? For ppl you, using words like F.U. amd M.F, even with parents is considered as manners, progressive nature and sophistication. beacuase US and AUS do so! According to you def of manners is limited to using fork and knife, using tissue and wearing tie! AS long as you do these things it does not matter how as a individual, as a family or society u behave.
Re: Truth: Punjabi and Haryanvi rich brats started the trouble
by av av on Jul 13, 2009 09:42 PM
Regionalism is speaking not you. You are also pathetic
Re: Re: Truth: Punjabi and Haryanvi rich brats started the troubl
by Muruganswamy on Jul 13, 2009 10:00 PM
It is in your head man not in mine. I am speaking what I saw there. It was out and out such case. The MC, BC, BKL culture moves in their language...which Australians have understood very well...and whenever they use such foul language in public they are beaten black and blue. This is why the most uncivilized people you see in the Delhi haryana Punjab where these guys even don't care of others before using the foul language and dirty talks in public places. Tell me any single place out there excpet these where people speak in such language. Among those who were beaten was one guy who is son of BJP MLA from north Delhi, Jolly, and some beaten brats who returned back to India and gave interview to IBN7 were from Gurgaon and Manesar and one can easily guess what they were upto by the way they were talking in the interview. People back in Australia when tell the truth, you guys call it regionalism and NRI and pseudoIndians...bloody you guys back at home God knows ..have set up unlimited examples of racism beating your own countrymen in Maharastra, or burning punjab in communal riots over ravidasi community tragedy or Derawal....dont preach here useless.
Re: Re: Re: Truth: Punjabi and Haryanvi rich brats started the tr
by Chandrashekhar Kulkarni on Jul 13, 2009 10:09 PM
Muruganswamy, you have substance. Even I get embarrased with their language. Infact, many newcomwers to Mumbai also get a good lecture in trains/buses when these people get excited and open their mouth.
Re: Re: Re: Truth: Punjabi and Haryanvi rich brats started the tr
by av av on Jul 13, 2009 10:06 PM
wht you saw is not only truth. I was also in Aus and Germany and US and have seen racial attacks and well as many people say so.
You perticularly targeting north Indians with ur name clealry saying u from south. You just a pathetic creature
Re: Re: Re: Re: Truth: Punjabi and Haryanvi rich brats started th
by Muruganswamy on Jul 13, 2009 10:14 PM
Don't lie dude. Australia and US are way more tolerant than any country. There is problem with germnany but it is not only against all Indians but for all other races who are not scandavanian. Please dont fool here people by talking about racism and the USA...its the best and most tolerant country of the world..even a single case of racism is taken seriously..and here in India...thousands of north Indians are thrashed in their own country in Maharastra their property is looted ...and government does nothing! A north east guy is called chineese and tamilians are laughed like sambhar vada.... all these guys are same guys who saw Salam Namaste or any yash chopra movie and asked dad to churn out money..which they spend ofn prostitutes, girls, pubs, beach parties and all possible worst ways and come in the companies..and when they are beaten..their dads high connection in Indian media works, which tells the world that Aussies are racist.
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by icshyderabad on Jul 13, 2009 10:35 PM
Mr MS, You have a valid point. I had been to Australia couple of times, in addition to other countries, but more time spent in Australia comparatively.I had been participating in these forums, and was always telling that indians do speak loud in your own language disturbing others, in ferries, trains etc (like circular quey to so many places), and as a tourist even i was annoyed, and was feeling pity on our guys who were repeatedly requested by american and european tourists to keep quiet and allow them to enjoy their trip, but to no avail with our guys. Civic sense is one thing totally missing. I would not name the regionalities, but agree to a great extent, as the group consisted people from our financial capital also. Be nice and you will be respected in Australia, and it is for sure
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Truth: Punjabi and Haryanvi rich brats starte
by kiran desai on Jul 13, 2009 11:08 PM
The problem of internal racism is different and it also exist everywhere in world. Just like u described the german case. There are differences between southern US and northern US population but that is not our concern. They stand together when there is any outside aggression or on foreign policies. Our internal dynamics is our business and no outsider can use it as an excuse. we all as Indian should stand up against any outside agression. But unfortunately, india have many narrow minded ppl like you who can not think in terms of Indians. In ur sick quest proving ppl from other states wrong, u are wrongly justifying US and AUS prejudice.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Truth: Punjabi and Haryanvi rich brats starte
by mini on Jul 14, 2009 12:43 AM
I read reports about boys from Andhra also were attacked!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Truth: Punjabi and Haryanvi rich brats starte
by kiran desai on Jul 13, 2009 11:04 PM
US and Aus are tolerant. Because these are affluent countries and so far not faced with insecurities comes thru economic crunch. But with current economic recession, things are changing. The nations which have aggressively advocated globalization, is today perusing protectionism. US who earlier has used all its might to make coutries like India open its economy for US instries is today cutting down visas and making policies like 'say no to Bangalore and yes to Buffalo city'. The reason behind this 360 degree turn is economy. So the point is tolarance of US nad AUS came from thr wealth and when their economy is challenged and others like India started rising, these countries are showing their true characters.
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by icshyderabad on Jul 13, 2009 11:18 PM
No Sir, I would not go the extra long way saying that you might not be correct. I hope you have visited these countries and stayed there for some time, travelling around and meeting people, malls, public places etc., In every mall in these countries you have a chinese shop called 2$ shop, where you get good goods also at a very low price. But they do exist. Indian restaurants are always a favourite in areas including king's cross. I have been feeling bad abt the way we behave since childhood, no concern for others, too selfish, cheating etc. I AM DELIBERATELY USING CAPS TO MAKE A POINT. ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE 'LOKI'IS INJECTED WITH STEROIDS IN INDIA TO GAIN MORE WEIGHT AND MORE MONEY THEREFORE (DEMAND ROSE BECAUSE OF RAMDEVJI), and these guys openly admit that "we are getting more money and who bothers abt anything else", not my words-telecasted, and this is not only LOKI, even Karela, Brinjal etc., and you know abt mild adultration with chemicals? Now what?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Truth: Punjabi and Haryanvi rich brats starte
by kiran desai on Jul 14, 2009 12:03 AM
@ Icehydrabad! I have been to AUS and US! U can give Chery pick incidences to support your theories! I can give 100s of seen examples where captalistic nature of AUS and US is at its worst behaviour! In these counties you are human as long as you have money! and condition become worst if u have money and local ppl don! but that is not the point. The right way to understands behavior or patterns is to observe response to various changes in environment. That is how u study substance, individual or societies. Thr are many examples in recent history where tolerant, mild and well behaved societies gone very bad in no time with sudden changes in economic scenario! and my observation of US and AUS is no diff. If these countries are faced with skewed recourse to population ratio like india, these ppl will behave worst than us! Today when i come back in US i see the neighborhood which was once most peaceful and safe is turned into a crime ally (without any significant migrating population! only because of changing economic scenario). So ur thinking of we are bad ppl and US and AUS are good ppl is way way of the mark!
Re: Re: Truth: Punjabi and Haryanvi rich brats started the troubl
by Hydra Hero on Jul 13, 2009 10:40 PM
Know all av av truth is bitter isnt it .We are castiest parochial ,we are mannerless ,lack civic sense.YOu dont have to go to austarlia come to any small town you will witness and we carry the same attitude when we go out thinking that we are giving up culture .
Re: Re: Re: Truth: Punjabi and Haryanvi rich brats started the tr
by icshyderabad on Jul 13, 2009 10:50 PM
claps. Here is someone who has the guts to speak openly
Re: Re: Re: Re: Truth: Punjabi and Haryanvi rich brats started th
by gagan arora on Jul 14, 2009 12:41 AM
I have never been to Australia, but have been saying in US for a year now.......
1) Yes, US citizens by far the most tolerant creatures on earth. 2) Some guy pointed out that you will be respected only when you have money, which is utter rubbish....ppl talk to each other like customer to shopkeeper or even a watchman with such respect ...that i couldnt believe my eyes.....have any of us spoken to our watchman, bus driver..or even gatekeeper with even neutral demeanr,..we just treat them from some low-standard society........ 3) and some thoughts that their attitude is changing due to recession.....but believe me had india been an affluent country and then India had to face recession, we would have behaved in worst possible manner due to our lack of civic sense, presence of corrupt political parties and all these regionalism issues.
NRIs/ Indian who are now citizens of other countries, You no longer neeeded here. You ahve abandoned your mother. You have no right to talk in matter which are connected with Indians.
Re: Shameless NRIs
by Hydra Hero on Jul 13, 2009 10:45 PM
Idiotic statement .Who are you to say that this smacks your boorish messages.We have heard india is great iam proud to be an indian blah blah .The NRIs in that particular country are better positioned to understand the issues than people like you sitting beforeand typing useless messages .if u think u are showing patriotism you are sadly mistaken
Re: Re: Shameless NRIs
by icshyderabad on Jul 13, 2009 10:52 PM
There will ignorant idiots always, and unfortunately we have to live with them, and this is how we are cursed
Re: Shameless NRIs
by Muruganswamy on Jul 13, 2009 10:05 PM
Which mother...where? where you beat your own countrymen when they move to maharastra from North, or burn Hindi when in tamil nadu...or laugh on tamils when you go to Punjab...or where you still live in the divided world of various religions and castes and regions and make people like Thackrays and Mulayams and minoroty politicis expert congress as caretaker of your mother!!!!! At least none of the NRI is setting the example of raping own mother like many doing back at home!
Re: Re: Re: Shameless NRIs
by Muruganswamy on Jul 13, 2009 10:19 PM
dont try to give it different look. I am telling you the exact problem..not generalizing anything. If you dont believe me please ask for some data from new agency or any friend of yours in Australia.
Re: Shameless NRIs
by Harish Timiri on Jul 13, 2009 11:11 PM
you idiotic avav. it is the NRIs Who Donated Millionsof dollors during Orissa Floods, Gujarat Earthquake, Indian Ocean Tsunami etc. Not Your Babus and Netas. They Leave their families and toil hard in foreign soil bcuz your politicians cant create jobs. No matter whr u r you can always love your motherland. NRIs r far better than people who live in india as wastrel spittind pan here and there.
Go to south these north indians make fun of s indians ,show off and they have an air of superiority I do not know for what reason.It definitly irks people .Most of the students are from Punjab and haryana and from villages .No body objects to your culture but we need to have civic sense which many of the indians lack.Their purpose of going to australia is not get a degree but to settle there.Fine get absorbed to the local culture or atleast adapt that and we stead fastly resist and annoy locals This has happens all the time not just the indians .Calling others racists is kettle calling the pot black.Instead of being judgemental introspect and adapt
Re: why talk of Australia
by Sameer on Jul 13, 2009 08:52 PM
I agree with u , but do not put all N Indians in same bracket. People from Punjab, Haryana and Delhi have superiority but not people of UP, Bihar and other poor states.
Re: why talk of Australia
by TheWicked wizard on Jul 13, 2009 08:45 PM
adaptation is one thing indians are not adept at.. they will talk in their own language lodly.. In fact, one in Dubai, there were these tamil speaking s!!ts who were playing fm on a mobile speakerphone!!! it seems it is common there!! The locals will obviously look down upon such behavior..
Re: Re: why talk of Australia
by messenger on Jul 13, 2009 08:48 PM
Talking loud is lack of manners, talking in one's own language with one's own people is not....
Re: Re: Re: why talk of Australia
by TheWicked wizard on Jul 13, 2009 08:50 PM
that is the whole problem with indians.. we live by silly justifications...
Re: Re: Re: Re: why talk of Australia
by messenger on Jul 13, 2009 08:54 PM
agree about lack of mannerisms when speaking loud & on speakerphone in public!
Re: Re: Re: Re: why talk of Australia
by messenger on Jul 13, 2009 08:53 PM
The french speak in french, the chinese speak in chinese, the japanese speak in japanese, the german speak in german, the arabs speak in arabic......
...and Indians have to forget their own language..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: why talk of Australia
by TheWicked wizard on Jul 13, 2009 08:57 PM
Bcoz, it is the indians, who go all over the world in search of a "so-called" better life... unlike the other people, who are mostly happy in their respective countries..
As an Indian who has travelled a lot, I have seen that we Indians tend to cling to our style of working, stydying and partying, when we go abroad. Indians who have lived abroad are more closed minded to accepting local styles and living among the home public than Indians at home. Hence, most of the time, Indian communities stick like sore thumbs overseas.. Just speaking with slang does not mean accepting local culture, it means understanding the nuances and sensitivites of the local populace, which we seem to lack.. Hence Indians abroad deserve to be bashed regularly to knock sense into their thick heads..
Re: Indians getting bashed up in OZ
by ravan brahma on Jul 13, 2009 08:43 PM
Indians are not a unifies lot .we are a highly castified society and would like to carry namama and pagdis every where thinking that they are symbols of our culture but they are archaic practices
