I am really surprised to read mesages with skewed logic liberally throwing in the words patriotism showing that to defend the students in Austarlia is sign of patriotism .The word has been maligned much to the comfort of people who are quietly patriotic at heart.Yes when indians are bashed up you feel for those guys but the issue is to examin why it is happening and councel the students before they leave the country.In liberal societies we take too much of liberty which we dont dare in african countries where assualts are routine .Indians also should undersatnd the meaning of civility and respect for other culture .we often make fun of others about their practices . I also see the term goras ,when black is racial white is also so .I do not think in 21 century indians are in awe of whites but it doennot mean that you have to assert unnecessarily.India can never become a developed country even if it does economically with out values ,civic sense ,public hygeine
Re: Re: Re: Enough of the message board
by Mohit on Jul 14, 2009 08:36 AM
he must be one of your bunch of d@@kheads who can't make a difference between his orifices and talks rubbish in some sophisticated eloquence. No. Pardon me for my ignorance but I don't deal with them.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Enough of the message board
by Vivek Chandra on Jul 14, 2009 08:49 AM
One of those equipments you mentioned is my online think tank called AP.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Enough of the message board
by Vivek Chandra on Jul 14, 2009 08:44 AM
Wont you sir enlighten us all with your extensive knowledge about the land down under?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Enough of the message board
by Against Pseudos on Jul 14, 2009 08:46 AM
VC:
I am still waiting patiently.... I am sure you can do the impossible - ... and read the the 10 odd paragraphs above......
I know it takes a great amount of intelligence and solid concentration filled hours of drudgery - to get past those 10 paragraphs.... half a page long as they are.... but I am sure you are well equipped to overcome all obstacles in your way.... . ;-)
I lived in Aussie for a few years in Melbourne on business. What the businessman in this article said is sadly true.
Our guys tend to treat foreign land as some sort of a giant pub and discotheque and forget the purpose they are there in the first place once they land there. Probably because of the impression they were given of the land before they ventured there. They forget they are there for education, business or some other purpose.
You routinely see drunk desi guys and girls making a ruckus at quaint bars and restaurants where the native aussie people quietly enjoy their weekends or a pleasant evening. Enjoying is one thing but out idiots forget decency after a few drinks and start behaving as if they are from some 9th clould of sorts.
Most embarrassing thing is our people do not know when to stop. They drink, drink and drink. Surprizingly girls too. The kind of noise and racket they create is annoying at times and makes you wonder 'are these people from India really'? So while the attacks are sad and uncalled for it is not entirely aussie people to blame.
Afterall how would react to a bunch of drunk aussie guys creating nuisance in a quiet residential neighborhood in Mumbai or Delhi?
Our guys must behave like civilized people. They afterall boast of the cultural pedigree and indian ethos all the time. So it is doubly more important they respect local culture.
Surprizingly it is not same with peoplr from other countries like China or Japan or some.
Re: Sadly true
by Against Pseudos on Jul 14, 2009 08:02 AM
Guest:
Thanx for the update..... Can you explain however, why those "native Aussie people quietly enjoying their weekends" suddenly get up and visit railway stations to bash up students alighting from trains?.....
Re: Re: Sadly true
by Guest on Jul 14, 2009 08:14 AM
Because there are a bunch of drunk-as-a-fish desis who provoked them (might have) at the restaurant or on their way to home (or another disco , as pub hopping is common among desis). Now, when you are provoked by an alein, you bash them up. Do you bash up some one from Somalia who is drunk and calling you names as you pass by in your neighborhood or made passes at your girl friend because she is wearing a mini-skirt or your wife ? Thats the fact with our idiots. Now get it ?
Re: Re: Re: Sadly true
by Against Pseudos on Jul 14, 2009 08:23 AM
Guest:
;-).... Thanx for this update too.... :)
Interesting to note that those quiet Aussies would leave their car parked outside the bar and walk their way all through to a railway station to extract revenge.... :)
Simon Overland will be proud of your investigative capabilities.... :) :)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Sadly true
by Mohit on Jul 14, 2009 08:27 AM
I don't know who this creature Simon Overland you cite with your scholorly abilities. But I said what I have seen. You must be some d^^k head who want to become some Sherlock holmes and was not allowed to. But facts are facts.
Re: Sadly true
by Vaidhy Narayanan on Jul 14, 2009 08:15 AM
Mr Guest,
More indians live in UK, Canada than in Australia, have you ever heard of such disgusting racial issues and attacks (indians students beaten etc). There is always one or 2 strange incident at late night and all.
There is some other problem in Australia. Donot mix drinking issue here, do you mean to say no indian who comes to UK/ Canada drinks?
Re: Re: Sadly true
by Against Pseudos on Jul 14, 2009 08:28 AM
VN:
Though I fundamentally challenge Guest's tall claims, I would still not throw generalistic analogies like yours....
To your point of Indians in UK/US... there are hundreds of thousands of non-Indian students in Australia who aren't being attacked either....
So let's be balanced ... I am sure this whole issue is being created by a small percentage of miscreants - who may well be outsiders themselves.... as some of the Sydney incidents have shown us.... i.e. the Lebanese-Indian rivalry clashes...
Let Simon Overland do his job and hopefully the incidents will abate (as they have if we notice... no fresh "report" from Rediff now for almost a week....)...
Re: Re: Re: Sadly true
by Mohit on Jul 14, 2009 08:52 AM
Yes sirji, we are talking about that puny , small percentage of miscreants only. But you see, those people made news and thats not a very pleasant news. Afterall we haven't seen such attacks - say 5 years ago or 10. And please for the sake of holy mother of God, get over your obsession with Simon whateverland. It's getting a bit too sick.
And for the record, no I am not into challenges. I don't care of you challenge my claims. But as I said, I tried to convey what I had personally experienced - not just on one count but several.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Sadly true
by Against Pseudos on Jul 14, 2009 08:59 AM
Mohit:
Since you are getting sick, and since you steadfastly refuse to read articles on which you are commenting upon, let me tell you that Simon Overland is the Victorian Police Commissioner.... and FYI, Simon Overland has pooh-poohed this "fantastic" theory that Rambal and yourself seem to be pushing so hard for.....
Re: Re: Sadly true
by Mohit on Jul 14, 2009 08:18 AM
Ausiies are not as tolerant as brits or canadians perhaps. I am an educated man but I have no first damn clue why our guys get bashed up in aussie alone. Probably in UK and Canada , our guys get locked up even before they create a scene that provokes the natives to bash them up. Because law is strong there and people are more civillized.
Re: Re: Re: Sadly true
by Vaidhy Narayanan on Jul 14, 2009 08:33 AM
You answered it right in first sentence. Aussies have poor tolerence level. They get easily irritated and frustrated.
I like most people donot agree that indians (especially students) would misbehave and invite wrath in an alien land.
If people in Australia behave in this manner, there is hardly much difference between some Mid east country rules (cutting your hand/legs for crime, no drinking, wear full dress etc) and democratic western land like australia. I wonder how indians manage to live there.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Sadly true
by Mohit on Jul 14, 2009 08:39 AM
Your penultimate sentence answers that. Because in australia 'cutting the ballz of an erred person' isn't legal. If they did that in some middle eastern country.. whew..lets pray.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Sadly true
by shankar mahadevan on Jul 14, 2009 09:33 AM
I agree Aussies get irritated easily, just look at cricket. Its the Aussies who create a scene when they play teams from the subcontinent. Guess the people there have too much to drink and nothing to do. But i would also like to know why on earth students from our country want to study in such lowly ranked universities there.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Sadly true
by Against Pseudos on Jul 14, 2009 08:37 AM
VN:
You are back to your generalization.....
Anyway, to your last line, there are millions of Indians living in Australia....
As I said before, this is neither the place nor time to start drawing black and white lines - all Australians are bad and all Indians are good etc....
These issues are created by some miscreants, and I am sure they will abate .... back to peaceful situation that has prevailed for a long time before these issues erupted for some reason....
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sadly true
by Mohit on Jul 14, 2009 08:42 AM
No there are LESS than half a million of Indian origin in Australia ( Check with Indian Embassy). But I agree there are miscreants and those acts are uncalled for. But when you leave home for other places in search of livelyhood or better life , the least you are expected to do is to respect who are born and live there. Do you behave the same in say - US ? You will be in prison in no time for creating nuisance.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sadly true
by Against Pseudos on Jul 14, 2009 08:48 AM
Mohit:
Dunno for some reason you are stuck on your broken record ..... So let me remind you that you still don't know who Simon Overland is.... and yet you so positively comment on the Aussie situation as if you live in Rambal's spare bedroom.... :)
Aussie police themselves agreed that bashing happened in Melbourne and sorry for that. So this article is truly baseless. this article was found yesterday in the aussie website the age
Of course Mr Rambal knows which side his bread is buttered. By being pro-Aussie he can burnish his credentials an an authentic Aussie, which of course has business advantages. Even if everything he says is true, that is no reason to beat up people black and blue. The Brits are the rowdiest of em all when it comes to sports fans, but there are no incidents of assaults on Brits. The French consider Aussies a little more than criminals, and have shown disdain to them over and over, but I don't hear of the French being assaulted. American teenagers visiting Autralia think it to be party central, and behave badly under the influence as well. However they are not assaulted. Australia is the most racist of all Anglo-Saxon countries. So these attacks have a racial motivation as well. So let us not deny that these attacks are racial in nature. If Indian students misbehave from time to time, they should be dealt with in the same manner as any other student misbehaving would. No double standards. Of course well off busnissmen NRIs like Mr Rambal see themselves as white when they stand in front of the mirror. So the yhave very little credibility on this issue.
Re: Indians misbehaving, is a sorry excuse for assault
by Vagabond on Jul 14, 2009 08:09 AM
Ghantaa. Don't sit in your bog and talk about anglo-saxon countries and your idiotic theory of racism. if the brits and french consider aussies as rowdies and criminals, Indians in general are considered drunkards and abusardly silly. I mean they create an impression of the country outside the country. As if our desi stupidity not enough within the country, we go dance in the middle of the road to bollywood tunes like some uncivilized aborigins who have a sense of decency. With your idiotic defensive, you seem to forget the basic principle : respect. They did not ask you to come there. You begged , tried hard to get there for a better life. I lived in Aussie and I know what our diaspora is made of (ofcourse with exceptions).
The manuwadis have an attitude problem. They always blame other for their failure and don't know how to behave. The Indian students in Australia are examples of this bad manuwadi behavior. The goons in the garb of students need to be taught some manners and culture.
Re: Manuwadis have an attitude problem
by Kumar on Jul 14, 2009 03:29 AM
The manuwadis need to teach their children manners, the value of hard work, honest living and politeness asap.
Meghani says..."I''d like him to spend a couple of weeks as a student, living five people to a room, going to a university with no computers, and walk home late at night not carrying a mobile phone. Then he can see how things work out,"....
So you are saying that due to above reasons.. you become violent !????
But then firstly who asked you to stay 5 in one room and enroll in a university with no computers and walk home w/o a cell phone !!!!... you are making the shortcuts in your life and blaming those shortcuts for the turn in your life !!
Re: i dont understand....
by Prashant Rawat on Jul 14, 2009 07:52 AM
"So you are saying that due to above reasons.. you become violent !????" Uughhh? I hope you re-read what Mr Meghani said after your 'mood change'! Will be happy if you laugh! :)
indians living among whites will do anything to get ther approval for which they are pathetically grateful. To achieve this end is to sneer and abuse other indians, of course in the hearing of whites. You can see some of our 'intellectuals' also do the same to get wah wah from the West.
Re: Re: Re: typical indian !
by Against Pseudos on Jul 14, 2009 07:55 AM
PR:
Hmmmm... anything that you say sir.... but when I see the letters t-y-p-i-c-a-l coupled with the letters i-n-d-i-a-n..... my very unintelligent mind forces me to read that as "typical indian" for some reason.....
It might be - as you rightly pointed out - due to my very poor education, or my lack of proper English knowledge...... or maybe I need an eye checkup.....
Thank you for doing your daily good deed of educating one Indian today.... ;-)
