I am malayalee living in maharashtra. I have studied history of shivaji maharaj. he was a great king with a great visionary. And also not he had 20-30% muslims in his army. Infact one of his general a muslim sacrificed his life so that he could be saved. He was a true secular.
His statue in Arabian sea is long pending and deserved. Please dont just call him Hindu King.
RE:Shivaji was a Visionary.
by Bitter Truth on Jun 03, 2008 06:23 AM
yes Shivaji was a great warrior king. We dont care if he was secular . In fact i am proud to call him a hindu King. It has become a fashion in India to put the secular label. Hindu religion is very secular since it repects all other religions. On the other hand Islam and Secular are contradictory. If you are secular you can be Islamic.
I will be proud of the secular label when it is applied to all indians including muslims and xtians who think their religion is the only true one. Till then i am proud to be Hindu.
RE:Shivaji was a Visionary.
by rohit nair on Jun 03, 2008 06:58 AM
Hi Bitter Truth,
I elaborated his secular credentials just to point some people hijacking Shivaji for their own petty politics. And BTW i dont support congress so called secular politics.
Madame Bhikaji Cama; Freedom Fighter, rich Parsi born in Mumbai. The British exiled her from her motherland and seized her inheritance.She was a fiery patriot who with other patriots, designed India's first tricolor flag and unfurled India's flag at an international socialist assembly in Stuttgart where her fiery speech "This flag is of Indian Independence. Behold, it is born!...I call upon you, gentle men, to rise.. .I appeal to lovers of freedom all over the world to cooperate with this flag. Hail Bande Mataram !. Hail Bande Mataram!!'. REMEMBER ALL
Her passionate speech against the British tyranny in India was published August 1907 in the German Socialist paper Vorwärts
RE:RE:Remember other freedom fighter from amchi Mumbai
by indian patriot on Jun 03, 2008 05:29 AM
Madan Lal Dhingra (1887-1909), a 22yr engineering student, assassinated Sir Curzan Wyllie, political Aide-de-Camp to the Secretary of State for India, Lord Morley in London in 1909. Hanged at Pentonville Prison, London, 17Aug 1909. spoke the following inspiring words: 'I believe that a nation held down by foreign bayonets is in a perpetual state of war. Since open battle is rendered impossible to a disarmed race, I attacked by surprise. Since guns were denied to me I drew forth my pistol and fired. Poor in health and intellect, a son like myself has nothing else to offer to the mother but his own blood. And so I have sacrificed the same on her altar. The only lesson required in India at present is to learn how to die, and the only way to teach it is by dying ourselves. My only prayer to God is that I may be re-born of the same mother and I may re-die in the same sacred cause till the cause is successful. Hail Bande Matram! Hail Bande Matram !'
The same funds can be put to much better use - something that will actually help Mumbaikars instead of these symbolic gestures.
The following could be done for s start:
- Clean up the Mithi river or drain whatever it is - like every year this year too that drain will cause extra flooding in mumbai. Due to lack of funds its desilting is still half pending.
- An EFFICIENT call center woth more able people to handle 100 emergency calls in the event of any problem - weather, crime or health related. As of today try claling that line in an emergency and see what they do.
- Make some roads better - monsoons will soon be here - and the current makeover of the roads that have been done will be exposed in one big shower.
- Please clear the drains along the rail tracks and have standby generators to pump out the collecting water from low lying stations.
- Please have standby emergency aid camps available in the low lying areas - there are millions whose houses will be inundated - and they dont have the funds to make alternative arrangements.
The Shivaji statue will NOT do anything and unnecessarily use up funds of an already cash crunched state govt.
Hope these idiots wil someday do something worthwhile instead of indulging in this Shivajification of Mumbai.
RE:Useless expenditure
by Gautam Sinha on Jun 03, 2008 10:50 AM
Dont worry once the tourism to this park starts, a section of the revenue from the torusims and related industries like ads will be enough to cover the other issues.
RE:Useless expenditure
by Ray on Jun 03, 2008 05:13 AM
faceless, i understand that ur faceless and so just curious do u lack brain that comes inside that face?
Do you stop people from paying for medicines for their parents as it is useless expenditure for old parents or the area old people occupy can old people be asked to be dead and make place for lets say poor people. People like you can come with some smartass suggestions. Do you think we ever need any tourist spot or some proud histories are they are all waste expenditure? Govt has may be 100 depts and only one dept is going to give this work to some private agency so who is stopping govt from doing cleaning of mithi river or build roads or power plants and which needless to say they have done from last 60 yrs :-). Govt is supposed to do 1000 different things at same time. Cleaning ithi river has more problem with illegal occupation than funds and its more of vote politics .
RE:RE:Useless expenditure
by Faceless Indian on Jun 03, 2008 06:43 AM
Use ur head idiot..... think a little before blabbering - buying medicine for you parents is a priority and a need - not symbolism. That is precisely what I am talking about. Providing medicine to the needs of the city instead of indulging in symbolism. And read my point again - my tirade is against symbolic stuff vis a vis real needs. Dont blame yttou though - suckers like you will shoot off the hip before blinking to see what the point is. Happy abusing.
RE:Useless expenditure
by Ameet on Jun 03, 2008 05:20 AM
Very true. Mumbai does need all of that and probably more. They are certainly a priority.
BUT, calling for all funds to be focused on infrastructure is a myopic view at best.
By the same logic, India should not participate in the Olympics. Money spent could be better used to build roads.
By the same logic, India should not help neighbors and other countries in natural calamities such as the Tsunami and after earthquakes.
By the same logic, India should not have the Republic day parade. You may say that it is a colossal waste of state and union money.
By the same logic, excercises like Naval day , air-force day airshows should be banned.
By the same logic, chandrayaan, the mission to the moon should be scrapped. What is the use right?
Same logic, why build a park in Navi Mumbai on the lines of Central Park, NYC?
Same logic, open Lalbaug botanical gardens in Bangalore to housing for the poor.
Same logic, erect structures on Cross Maidan and Azad Maidan. Why, what about Mahalaxmi racecourse?
Ofcourse not, life isnt all about being myopic. Rightly pointed out that there is a dire need for good infrastructure. But, there cannot be a single track approach. More than the need for funds, there is a need for proper planning, no political interefence and reduction in the levels of corruption [if i suggest eradication of corruption in todays world, that would unfortunately be myopic]
RE:Useless expenditure
by Indian on Jun 03, 2008 05:50 AM
Well said. Some people here like faceless/baseless/brainless makes comments just bcoz they hate Hindu and or Maharashtrian. There are many politician who are running their parties on Shaivaji's name. But those parties are not Shivaji's creation.
RE:Useless expenditure
by Faceless Indian on Jun 03, 2008 06:40 AM
You said it right - priority is the right term. And whatever u said justly reinforce what I said - funds need to be spent on priority on things that are not symbolic. Sorry - u found my words a little difficult to understand and in ur own myopic way repeated what I mentioned in ur own pea brained approach. Either ways - all's well that ends well.
RE:Useless expenditure
by Ameet on Jun 03, 2008 09:53 AM
Looks like the only end was that we had yet another example of brainless loud-mouthism. I dont see how what i said could EVER possibly have reinforced your stupid nonsense at all!
Dont you get it after so many points? You are useless indeed!
Its really a good decision. It will be inspiring to kids and youths who nowadays only know about bollywood history and related families. To correct few people Shivaji never fought a battle for Maratha empire. He just was a specially chosen and blessed messanger in the form of human who was born in Maharashtra. He belongs to entire Hindustan from new Afganistan to Bangladesh and Kashmir to Kanyakumari. Its some people who for their own benefit call him as Maharashtra's Shivaba and use him for votes. If he would have lived longer history of India would be different. Some people try to act smart and always talk about roads and electircity as priority. Sure they are priority but we all know what our politicians have done in last 60 yrs. These problems are going to be there even 60 yrs from now. Eracting a statue doesn't say don't do anything else, if politicans really want they can build roads and power plants. Also this will be a great tourist spot, will pay for itself eventually and also a kind of inspiration to people.
RE:Good decision!
by Faceless Indian on Jun 03, 2008 04:36 AM
Inspiring my foot. It will teach the kids how to ignore real issues and waste the tax payers money in symbolic gestures. Shivaji has become a joke - thanks to every goddammed thing and place in Mumbai being called Shivaji now..... both the airports, the railways station, the bus stand - you name it - its already called shivaji.And now this - yeah rite - inspiration indeed.
RE:Good decision!
by Sumeet Mali on Jun 03, 2008 05:51 AM
Hey you faceless and mindless Indian person, please mind your words. Do u really know anything about the Great Shivaji??
RE:Good decision!
by Ray on Jun 03, 2008 06:53 AM
Hey brainless, Do all the mosques have become joke because of some very few stupid people running terrorist activites in them? The politicians nowadays do scams worth thousands of crores what have you done to stop them? Do you want all govt depts to concentrate on cleaning of mithi river and (give false promise of) roads and power pants ?Infact may be some people will remember why they were changed to what they are now and others will Thank Shivaji for letting their ancestors to remain practicing(way of life) whatever they were.....
You like it or not Shivaji is proven(unlike many religious mythical characters in all religions) world hero whose life must be remembered in every walk of life
RE:Good decision!
by Indian on Jun 03, 2008 05:17 AM
Your real name is brainless Indian. Isn't it? Don't you dare say Shivaji become a joke. Its easy to write on blog. If you have guts say that any maharashtrian, you will get answer.
RE:RE:Good decision!
by Ameet on Jun 03, 2008 05:26 AM
I would limit him to merely the maharashtrians. It is a pity that there is a regionalization of great historical icons. Shivaji is as important to Punjab as Bhagat Singh should be important to Maharastra. These are Indian leaders!
RE:Good decision!
by Ameet on Jun 03, 2008 05:23 AM
Doesnt the Indian contingent to the Olympics already do that? I think not... but apparently you think so!
RE:Good decision!
by Jai Bheem on Jun 03, 2008 11:26 AM
If you have inspiration. You can achieve anything..Before that you need face..Long time to go for you..Get life dude
Great news.. but i feel this is a election gimmick for hindu votes to turn away from Shiv sena.. If they do it ..it's great.. tribute to Shivaji Maharaj... They should give it to French architects and culmination dutch technology.. Good luck Vilas Rao...
