Even Sri Sri Ravishankar and then Kalki and Premananda are treated as Avtars by some people. Shiva Shiva, My Lord Shiva, please save the Hindu Religion from all these goons who are bent upon maligning your Holy Name and this Land of Hindus. These Vaishnavite Aryans have already sold out your Abode at Kailash Mansarovar to Commie China and the Indus Valley civilisation sites to Islamist Porkland. Please save the religion from these dangerous people who, claim to be Hindus but work against you, Lord Shiva. Only you can save this Land and this Religion.
RE:RE:Shiv Shambho
by P Jindal on Apr 17, 2008 09:04 PM
Those who has enjoyed reading this article, I recommend reading Narender Kohli's books on Ramayan and Mahabharat which is portrait of mythological believes into worldly truths.
My thoughts after reading this article is that it is very good faith based article in which facts (misfacts) are skewed to present the authors theory.
I am firm believer that Ram is a historical leader and personality and is GOD to my beliefs and millions of people in world, but it does not mean that I can prove his existence.
Even the literature differs which the author suggests provides contradictory views and facts. (Ayodhya in Thailand versus Ayodhya in India).
I am amused, when author suggests RAM is most historically narrated figure in literature. I believe he should also take international literature in his consideration where Christianity and Islam religious leaders will come on top and even Budhism leaders might be very near. If literature is the measure Krishna may possibly beat RAM in that subject area.
At the end I think this is good faith based narration where facts are skewed to its best.
You have mentioned that "According to astronomy, the positions of zodiac constellations come back to their original place after a cycle of approximately 26,000 years."
This is a totally incorrect statement. It is factually incorrect comment without any scientific basis. I do not know from where you have picked up the span of 26,000 years. I can guess that you are referring to precession cycle, perhaps, to say that planetary positions will repeat after this period but it is just a baseless comment.
Let me clarify, planetary positions - do not - I underscore - do not comeback to the same positions even after Lakhs of years.
Precession is not the only cycle in which planetary bodies are rotating. On this issue a full book on astronomy can be written. Anyway, the software enables us to verify whether the planetary positions mentioned for Lord Ram's birth repeated for any date other than 10th January 5114 BC. And I found that these planetray positions did not repeat during the 2 lakh year span between 99999 BC and 99999 AD. If your comment that these positions repeat after 26000 years is accepted, it should have repeated in 31114 BC, 57114 BC, 83114 BC (or near about these years) but please note that such repetition did not take place. Nor will it occur in future.
I would continue later.
Incidently, I am presently working as Commissioner of Income Tax, in Delhi. My e mail address is pushkarbhatnagar@hotmail.com
RE:Your comments on astronomical dating are incorrect (cont.)
by Indian on Apr 18, 2008 06:20 AM
Pushkar, The idea that modern humans evolved only in the last 100000 yrs was floated by Darwinians. This has been disproved by many conclusive evidences. Before putting 5114 BC as the birth year of Sri Ram, you need to read a book titled "Forbidden archeology" by Michael Cremo. The year span taken into account by ur software is 99,999 BC to 99,999 AD. Forbidden archeology scientifically establishes the fact that modern humans (homo sapiens) existed many millions of year ago. Planetary positions repeat as well. Why don't you use a software that takes you back to many millions of years. Then use references given in this article abt Sri Rama's birth and crosscheck with your calculated DOB of Ram?
Then you mention that "the same details were entered in the Planetarium Gold software to determine the important dates in the life of Lord Ram .... "
Once again, above statement shows that you have not read / understood the methodology used in arriving at the dates before writing the article or making a comment. Let me clarify that the software does not work in this manner that we feed in certain details about the planetary positions and it tells us the possible dates.
Valmiki has mentioned the position of planets in the sky for certain events that took place in the life time of Lord Ram - say for instance, his date of birth itself. Begining from present day, I examined the position of planets in the sky, on a day to day basis,to find out that actually it was only on 10th January 5114 BC, that all the planets in the sky were exactly seen in the same places where they are stated to be present by Valmiki at the time of birth of Ram.
Valmiki has mentioned that when Ram turned 25, he was to get the crown but was eventually exiled. On that day again the position of planets have been described. Hence again I moved forward by 25 years to check what was the position of planets in the sky and found that their respective positions tallied with the description of Ramayana. Thus, the date of exile of Lord Ram was fixed. In this manner more than 12 dates have been fixed.
Hence, please note that the dates are the outcome of efforts of many years - not a stroke of key of PC.
I am the person, who has found the actual dates of the lifetime of Lord Ram, based on the astronomical data available in Valmiki's Ramayana by using the Planetarium software. All my findings are published as a book titled "dating the Era of Lord Ram" (May 2004) by Rupa & Co. Delhi.
I consider it my duty to correct certain comments made by you in your article, which in my opinion convey a wrong impression to the readers.
You have written that "In the last few years, some highly motivated computer-literate group of people have designed a software called 'Planetarium Gold Software'....." and with the help of this software dates have been arrived at. This comment conveys a meaning as if someone in India has developed this software with a specific pre-determined motive to prove something about Lord Ram or Indian history.
In this context, I may clarify that the software, which I used for finding the dates is not produced by me or anyone in India. It is a specialised software available in USA, from where I bought it. It is capable of generating on your computer screen the view of sky including planets and stars, as would be seen from any location on earth, for any time and date between 99999 BC and 99999 AD. Hence, no one can manipulate the software to arrive at a pre-determined conclusion and so the objectivity of findings are ensured.
Due to space constraint I shall continue in the next message.
Freinds, time demands your attention to the real and blatant injustices meted out to the lower castes of our society every day. Maharishi Balmiki's RAMAYANA, quoted here, belongs to a Dalit caste. What we needs today most is, to investigate and research and tell how & why the accomplished author Balmiki's clans had gone lowest in the ranks in society ? Nearly 90 percent of all the poor Indians and 95 percent of all the illiterate Indians are Dalits.Every hour two Dalits are assaulted; every day three Dalit women are raped, two Dalits are murdered, and two Dalit homes are torched. Hindu society must ponder the issue seriously !
RE:BETWEEN THE BLINDS
by Shyam on May 02, 2008 11:57 AM
Dear Sir, Those were the days when people were respected by their calibre, quality, wisdom and worth - not by religion, caste, creed, sex, proximity to powers, as in today. So if Valmiki is regarded great, it is because of his work, not his caste. These castes are of recent origin, not from Ramayana days! Regarding reasons why these people have gone down, go through government statistics of SC ST growth after 60 years of independence - the earmarked 15 or 7.5 percent is not filled with these people in any cadre in government or PSU. As a matter of fact more than the prescribed percent is kept in Group D the work they are claiming as reason for their today's backwardness and directly due to the so called Forward Castes (Brahmins?). In PSUs, 74% are in Group D service against less than 10% in Group A service. This is not due to high-handed behaviour of forward castes - crooked and cunning politicians are to be blamed for today's plight of the SCs and STs.
Thank god...this column is published . I just read the garbage penned by Praful Bidwai. After reading that obnoxious discharge of wors, I was really pissed off. But then I read this column-Proving the historicity of Ram by Dr Satya Pal Singh.
It is excellent and I thank Rediff for publishing this column. You have compensated for the sin which you committed by publishing the other column by the known antinational called Prafool Bidwai.
RE:Kudos
by Kris iyer on Apr 16, 2008 05:09 PM
Praful Bidwai belong to a religion called Marxism. You will find that every issue he writes on he comes from a 19th century version of Marxism. He may well see Hinduism as an obstacle to his Marxist paradise. The fellow does not know India as well as some of us who have lived in the rural areas many years of our lives. He is one of these misguided people, perhaps a JNU graduate, belongs to our "chattering classes", along with Arundhati Roy, Teesta Setalvad and Brinda Karat and so on. Many of these people have no credibility. Empty cans with one or two pieces of stones in them making loud noise.
