This verdict would remain as an example where castism surpassed merits. By giving chances to unqualified candidates SC has forced the country backwards. As a result more non professionals will be produced in highly valued sectors like Engineering and Medical. The standards of IITs and AIIMS will go down and India will be declared a country of inept people. In that scenario, foreign investments will reach at its low ebb and NRIs (higher caste) will not send the money. So SC/ST/OBC be prepared to push the country on swamps!
RE:An unfortunate decission!
by on Apr 12, 2008 08:08 AM
Talking about country of inept people, India already has highest number of illiterates. Malnutrition is worse than sub-Sahara countries. So what is left to be undone? This is the achievement of meritorious upper castes. It is time for lower castes to take over.
RE:An unfortunate decission!
by Kaushik Das on Apr 13, 2008 01:11 AM
one the one hand, you guys claim that there are only 3% brahmins in india - now you claim that they are responsible for all bad things in india. so what were you idiots doing when they were doing the bad things???
I can understand this writer mental condition , if you realy want to improve india ..why dont u put reservation on economical condition ..lets poor gets benifits ..he may belongs to any cast religion .. defely this write also got education through reservation or meigth be spending good time in nigth with blind arjun singh
Indian Judiciary, by the constitution is a religionless/casteless/colorless and odourless government authorizing organization. How come it gives decisions discriminating one religion from other or one caste from the other? Learning form the past, wasn't it atleast imperative that SC declare the number of years till which these reservations will be applicable? Or when some other party comes to power, they amend the law and then there is another chaos and more vote bank politics played around? This goes on and on. People stay where they are and polticians keep changing hands in power and make fool of indian genenrations...god knows.
Unity of country depends on reservation. Stop denying rights to SCs, STs and OBCs in the name of equality and merit cards. Everybody knows that the citizens of India can not be equated historically, politically and economically. Allow SC, ST & OBC to share the development and benifits which is possible only by reservation.
RE:Judiciary has realised the need of resrvation. SOMES BRAHMINS realised mistakes and rectifying but some do not want ST, SC & OBCs to rise.
by satyarthi on Apr 12, 2008 02:05 AM
Reservation is not panecea. It is neither necessary nor sufficient condition for socio-economic devlopment. Consider it as a short term measure and grab this opportunity to develope. If you are beneficiary of reservation by virtue of belonging to a particular community, pay back to your community by sponsoring education of at least five children at primary or secondary level. Secondly develop a self-esteem in your own kids so that they have not to depend upon reservation.
What a nice written article! But she has just written one point of view and it seems she is trying to prove something, which can not be justified on any ground, with the help of her argumentative skills. She even supports the reservation for creamy layer! I failed to understand on which ground she supports, she thinks the creamy layer will inspire and provide leadership to their peers, and the peers belong to the same community too, with the help of reservation. I think ma'am its the height of selfishness. You can justify the reservation for the down trodden of some communities to some extent but you can't do the same for the creamy layer. Ma'am I think you should think twice on the benefit of reservation. Do the people who really needs this reservation get benefited? consider a case of a poor family who can afford proper basic education of their child, how can they even think about IIT and IIM? So, the whole game of reservation was played to provide reservation to the creamy layer of those so called backward communities and secure the vote bank. That's the only reason behind the lobbying of the political parties to support this rule. If they really wish good for the society then why not they lobby to support common civil code? Different strategies for these laws clearly show their intentions.
RE:Well I am speechless
by on Apr 12, 2008 08:17 AM
You are right that main purpose of reservation in higher education is to benefit creamy layer. After all general category in IIMs generally come from affluent background. Why do you expect lower castes aspirant from poor? Let OBCs worry about creamy layer among themselves. Upper castes have no business here.
RE:RE:Well I am speechless
by Ashutosh on Apr 12, 2008 11:50 PM
It's not about upper class or lower class but it's about who deserves it and who don't? Ok! Afterall you are snatching something from general category and giving it to someone who is richer. I mean a man who belongs to general category has limited option even though he is more talented than his other friend who is richer and less talented but belongs to a backward class.
RE:Well I am speechless
by nathan on Apr 11, 2008 10:32 PM
Dear Mr. Ashutosh, The creamy layer will be affecting only white money people, and not the business men who never pay taxes. People were denied education rights based on their caste for thousands of years. Even if you are rich, born in a low caste you were denied education.
RE:Well I am speechless
by Kaushik Das on Apr 13, 2008 01:16 AM
which obc was denied education and when?
scs were denied a lot of things but they already have resevration. have they become more integrated? has casteism come to an end? do they even attend the classes that they get reservations for???
businessmen with black money are not interested in sending their children to IIT/IIM. Their children go to commerce colleges and get passing marks just to be known as a graduate.
besides, businessmen come under OBC!!!
"Even if you are rich, born in a low caste you were denied education." - if you claim discrimination, how come you became rich in spite of being SC? i'm not talking of OBC. they were always rich.
RE:Well I am speechless
by Ashutosh on Apr 13, 2008 11:49 PM
well said kaushik, i really appreciate this......but my main point was there should not be any reservation for obcs and if you are giving them reservation then it should not be for creamy layer at all
RE:Well I am speechless
by Ashutosh on Apr 12, 2008 11:47 PM
agreed! some classes were denied education on the ground of caste. But that's a past now and no one can change that. Nowadays if I am rich then it matters less whether i belong to a backward caste or a forward caste. Do u know Ambani, Sabir Bhatia belong to which caste. If you think that this creamy layer concept is disadvantageous for only white collar people and not businessmen, then it's not a proper argument please. If some of them who dont deserve it are getting benefited then it's the flaw of our legal system. According to me those white collar people who don't need reservation should be kept out from this. However according to you Even the son of Lalu, Nitish, Ramvilash should get reservation........right?
Appeal to Government of India: Get/Give positive verdicts on following reservations instead of religion/caste based reservations. 50% reservations for Women in Parliament - Men and women are equal. We will support you. 100% reservations for minimum graduate person to seek parliamentory elections - we need educated lot to make laws for us. Isn't it? We will support you. 100% reservations for MPs & MLAs (to become minister) with no background of criminal offence. - we need cultured lot out there to take good decisions. We will support you. Uniform Civil law for all-irrespective of religions. All are equal. We will support you.
Above reservations will truly unite Indians, be inclusive and help make progressive India. When talking about India, earlier we proudly used to say, Unity in Diversity. Sadly, some political goons (unfortunately having all strings of power in hand) are hell bent on planting seeds of divisiveness among Indians so that their(political goons') next generation can take advantage of the chaos and rule India like they are doing now.
RE:Appeal to Govt of India and The Supreme Court
by Kaushik Das on Apr 13, 2008 01:17 AM
sadly, that's not how our judges think. our politicians never thought that way anyway.
Mayawati urged the government to bring in a constitutional amendment to extend reservation in Central educational institutions to the economically backward sections among the forward communities (FC) and the minorities. The BSP would support the government in Parliament, she promised.
Dear Madam, Could you please publish a list of all those who work for you, alongwith the caste they belong to? It would also be interesting to know about the caste of your servants.
As 27% of the seats are already set aside for OBCs, general people should not bother if the creamy layer is allowed the share or not. It is for the OBCs to fight among themselves. The Hindu newspaper has written an article on definition of creamy layer as defined by some 1993 judgement. It includes the government class 1 and class 2 officers, their children,their wives, army officers equal and above a certain post, all people in private sector with annual income above 2.5 lakh per annum. The list is not exhaustive and may include more.
