This man is truly the Mahathmas grandson, because he is still advocating the ideology of 'SLAPPED ON ONE CHEEK TURN THE OTHER'. Centuries of invasion,looting, and occupation by islamic rulers, decades of voilence in kashmir, numerous train blasts, attack on the parliment,just to name a few of the many wounds this great country had to bear for no fault of hers,and all she gets in return is that now they even refuse to sing her song (VANDEMATRAM).Rajmohan wants us to brush all this aside and broker peace between West and Islam. BRAVO !. Are we really independent and have we really changed or are we still the ready to be suppressed and ready to be oppressed creed.
Gandhi,s strategy was taken by two prophet,s of Islam Partially, one is Last and otheris second Last He has followed the first part of Strategies which are divine and given to Prophet from God But he has his limited view only for independence of India prophet follow for the independence of world from evil any way Gandhiji got success in his Mission . But we haven,t got the Perfect System of Justice as it was only that Britishers left india But we are following their Constitution. While ProPhet work for Divine Constitution although it feels little strict to the people having limited thinking But real peace is in that System only Kaash we should think about that. For the Whole world. As God is God for WHole world and HE IS ONLY ONE AND HAS GIVEN THE PERFECT SYSTEM FOR THE WHOLE WORLD.
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by anand ganesh on May 04, 2007 10:46 AM
Sorry. mohd. Ahmad. I cite the Quranic verses which preach hatred against non-muslims."O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed."
These things are not anybody's idea of a perfect book or a perfect religion. There can be no bridge between West and Islam
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by Niyaz Ahamad on May 04, 2007 11:45 AM
Take things into context. Give reference and read the context too. You wont need an explanation, bro.
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by Niyaz Ahamad on May 04, 2007 11:47 AM
"O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed."
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by anand ganesh on May 04, 2007 03:25 PM
Fine.Niyaz. U say that the Quaranic verse is not objectionable or filled with hate for non-muslims. Then here we Go! "O George Bush! O Jews! strive hard against the believers(muslims). Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed." This is also not a hate verse against the muslims.
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by calc on May 04, 2007 10:49 AM
Do you mean ganesh that When Shiva cut your head. Sorry I mean Ganeshas head...Hinduism teaches to cut you child into two halves ?
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by jjgb kkj on May 04, 2007 11:24 AM
'KILL THE OPPONENTS OF VEDAS'wat do u hav 2 say on this verse from vedas. SO DOES NOT HINDUISM TEACH TERRORISM????
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by anand ganesh on May 04, 2007 03:28 PM
jjgb kkj-yOU HAVE NOT QUOTED THE source of your quotation.Give us the source-Book No. Verse No.Hym No.etc.
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by anand ganesh on May 04, 2007 03:27 PM
Calc. Post more such msg. The readers will understand the true nature of Islam. Rediff. Pls don't treat calc's msg as abuse. Let him post away. What better way to expose Islam
Let us see the following verses from the Quran: "I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."(Chapter 8, verse 12 of the Quran) "O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque." (Chapter 9, verse 28).
"O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed."
I wish to ask Aziz Haniffa and Muslims-suppose a westerner writes: "I will instill terror into the hearts of the believers(muslims): smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." How is that? Or suppose they write:"O George Bush! strive hard against the believers(muslims), and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.". How is that?
The gap between West and Islam cannot be bridged at all. India should have nothing to do in this. Let them quarrel. India has better things to do. Invaders of all hues-whether Wstern or Islamic have injured us. If West and Islam Fight, India stands to gain.
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by Jaganniwas Iyer on May 04, 2007 10:44 AM
Anand, you've hit the nail on the head. This Rajmohan Gandhi is little else than a pretender, who had actually demanded that India renounce its control on Kashmir and abide by those long-forgotten 1949 UN resolutions and vacate Kashmir. This outrageous demand was made on Pakistani soil, mind you, with no corresponding demand that Pakistan too follow suit. Rajmohan lived up to his family tradition of endless Muslim appeasement at the cost of Hindu blood. These so-called pecacniks are nothing but wolf in sheep's clothing, preying upon the minds of gullible Hindus, imagining themselves as messiahs. Rajmohan's grandfather had absolutely no understanding of Islam, but believed he had some imagined divine right to bulldoze Hindus into accepting his dictatorial ways. Well, he paid for it with his life. It's silly that modern India should be wasting time on these good-for-nothing Gandhians. As for "bridging the gap between Islam and the West" it's none of our busines. Both are linear, intolerant and expansionist ideologies. Hindus have their task cut out - make ourslves mighty and invincible. The rest will fall in place. Jaganniwas Iyer
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by mohd ahmad on May 04, 2007 11:04 AM
Dear anand First of all you have to know that the Greatest sin according to any sacred Book is IDOL Worship "They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti." [Yajurveda 40:9]7 The Brahma Sutra of Hinduism is: "Ekam Brahm, dvitiya naste neh na naste kinchan" "There is only one God, not the second; not at all, not at all, not in the least bit." Dear Brother you Know the only Dharm whose First most Basic is to accept the unity of God and to do also so we Muslim are nearest to that verse of Veda,s so we have truth Dharm after that Dear Brother the truth Dharm gives a Proper System to Follow for which true follower of Dharm should definitely do Dharm Yudh or Jehad what Krishna has Done you read in Geeta Fighting in Islam is there not to make people Muslims by Force But to Set up a System of Truth so that No Person will Sleep Hungry and No People will Live without Roof Unfortunately Some People have Distorted Islam in the Name of Jehad Dear Friend what ever Verses you Have quoted above do u know Quran is the Practical Book and these Verses are for the People of that time which are Direct Listeners of the Prophet on whom this Quran revealed and also in those were the people who were relatives of Prophet himself But he has to set up the system of truth and he has set up Like you read in Geeta that Krishna has separated a son from his mother why has he do that for truth but actually that is the story of this practical incidents only whose description is done in Sanskrit Dear Friend this is propaganda of West especially Jews who wants to end Islam for which they are Propagating completely wrong views in the world Because Media is Working on their command and we Indians simply Believe that Dear freind it,s very long to clearify you but time is less if you want to know more please mail me and Please if you want to know the truth try to go deep inside to know the truth I am sorry if I heart you.
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by anand ganesh on May 04, 2007 11:14 AM
Thanks, Mohd. for accepting that the verses I quoted are"for the People of that time which are Direct Listeners of the Prophet on whom this Quran revealed and also in those were the people who were relatives of Prophet himself". Please read the Quran properly. Quran claims that what is said in it is true for all times to come. Your utterances makes u an postate(murtad). You are confusing Dharm Yudh and Jehad. Here the war was being fought by Pandavas angainst Duryodhana and his brothers who had disrobed Draupadi and inflicted all injustices against Pandavas. This was a fight for justice and not a religious war like Jehad. None of the opposing parties had any problem with other's religion which was same. It was a fight withi Hinduism to purge out rascals from our religion. Another such fight is long overdue. Do u people have the courage to undertake such a fight against the evil elements within muslim community?
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by anand ganesh on May 04, 2007 10:41 AM
No Clac.It is hinduism which is winner. Do't muslims do pradkshina(circumambulation) in Mecca 7 times like we Hindus do? Don't u kill the black stone in Meccas? If this is not idol worship(what is)? Do't u believe in Zam zam(holy water) like Hindus?
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by calc on May 04, 2007 10:51 AM
Hahaha there is no mention of Apsaras like Rhamba in the heaven ... according to hindu "Religion"
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by calc on May 04, 2007 10:45 AM
Do you really want to discuss Islam and Hinduism. I will reply each and every question that you ask. But for every two question I answer I will ask you one Question about hindusim quoting directly from the Veda or manu-smiriti. So Done ? Two for one is not a bad deal is it ? I wont abuse you but you can abuse me if you like ... done ?
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by anand ganesh on May 04, 2007 10:56 AM
Dear Calc.Neither Manu Smriti nor Vedas are divinely revealed. These were prepared by Priestly class to dominate others. Only Bhagvad Geeta is claimed to be divinely revealed. I have read Manus Smriti, Vedas and Quran. Manu Smriti is 70% trash. Vedas aalso contain a similar volume of trash. Quran which has 6000 odd verses and 114 Chapters-sorry to say my Sunday got wasted going through that book. I got nothing good out of it. Whatever 0.5% good is there is already contained in other religions. I read it with intention to get some good. But disappointed. Only Bhagvad Geeta I enjoyed. 99.9% sense and 0.1% trash. All practical things-how to control Anger etc.
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by vikas koul on May 04, 2007 10:58 AM
I fully agree with you that Islam is an intolerant religion.But this intolerance was the need of the hour for its inventor Prophet Mohmmad(PBUH).This is because at the time of invention of Islam he had a few followers and he had to devise ways and means to keep his followers together.So he made such rules and regulations like imposing Jazia on other religion so as to coerce them for conversion.Islam was not spread by word but it spread by sword.Everyone knows that.Even muslims living in India are merely converts from hinduism.But in my opinion hinduism is to be blamed for that.Casteism is the culprit.If we try to investigate we can see that hindus have contributed the most in the spread of Islam.As 150 million muslims of Pakistan,150 million of India and 130 million muslims of Bangladesh are hindu converts.So hindus have contributed the most in the spread of ISLAM.
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by Amit Desai on May 05, 2007 06:10 AM
vikas: how about rapes and looting, mohammad's goons used to induldge into. Was that also need of the hour? Mohammad was a rapist, child molester, looter and nothing else.
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by Sunny Armageddon on May 05, 2007 12:59 PM
Amit your ignorance on these matters is visible and deplorable. There was no rapes, looting during the Islamic wars or cases of child molestation which incidentally seems to becoming coming forth by Hindus lately i.e The Pandya and Orphanage cases. Does this mean that all Hindus are Child molestors or practice paedophilia ....
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by anand ganesh on May 04, 2007 11:07 AM
Well and truly said Vikas. Casteism is indeed the bane of Hinduism just as intolerance is the bane of Islam. Indeed, according to Bhagvad Geeta, caste is determined by qualities and not birth of a person. Krishna who revelaed the Geeta, Vidura and Vyasa were not brahmins by birth. The last two were Shudras by birth. But they rose to great heights by their qualities and deeds. Somehow, the clergy was able to create caste based on birth for their benefit
