To my mind, there is no gulf between Islam and the West. The gulf is between persons/groups who want to use the ideology of Islam for controlling the minds and actions of crores of persons for substituting the hegemony of the West with their own. The path of religion is a personal pursuit of an individual and his soul. One does not require a favourable 'nizam' for attaining communion with God (by whatever name you choose to call Him). However, the power-thirsty manipulators seek to convince people on just the opposite. Any religion including Islam is to be practised in my mind and personal conduct. An enlightened soul can not be misguided by unethical conduct of others. Yet the leaders of the muslim world want people to believe in the opposite. The reason for their foisting such ideas on the society is their desire to acquire power and wealth and not ataining communion with God or helping others in attaining such communion. For them religion is only a hand-maid of politics. It is nothing unique to Islam. In the past it was practised by the Holy Roma Empire and several others too. I just hope and pray that some day some enlightened muslim will stand up and call the bluff. The problem is, if some one showed the courage to do so, he may be pressurised by muslim social structure into silence and submission. The West is no group of saints. Their hegemony is based on the superiority of their technology and their weaponary. They need to be countered in the corridors of technology and weaponary only which is what the Chinese are doing. There is no need to drag God into conflicts of the material world.
RE:Gulf between Islam and the West
by Ashish Kumar on May 06, 2007 09:04 AM
Will he ever have the courage to stand up. The rigid social structure in the muslim society will ensure that he dares not. Will the muslims throw the yoke of mullah dominance off their shoulder just as the Hindus and Chritians have done long back. Here is some thing they have to learn from Hindus. There is never a harm in a learning a good thing from any one, more so from an elder brother. Let them remember that Hindu society is far older than theirs and, therefore, has a much greater wealth of experience. They have to realise that these controlling social structures were not created by 'ALLAH' but are handiwork of the manipultors I have referred to. The muslim society needs a person who can show the character of a Joan d' Arc, an Ambedker, a Gandhi etc. It is a callenge demanding great sacrifices. Will the muslim community measure up?
RE:Gulf between Islam and the West
by anand ganesh on May 04, 2007 04:08 PM
Some day enlightened muslims will stand up? In which age are u living? Already enlightened muslims are quitting Islam and become ex-muslims and campaigning against it. See for example www.apostate.wordpress.com
Non-believers does not mean Non-Muslims...infact it means ALL THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD ( Allah/Param athma/supreme soul). Similar statements can be found in other religions too. So, brothers...plz wake up...and try to understand the spirit of GOD ...not religions which are man-made. It is sad to note that Religion (belief) is taking its tole on human-beings who had created it. GOD has become secondary to Religion. Nobody is spiritual and all are fighting to establish supremacy. RIGVEDA says GOD (PARAM ATHMA) is supreme and there is no second to Him. ISLAM says there is only one GOD (ALLAH) and there is no second to Him. Christianity says GOD is supreme and He is only ONE and there is no second to Him. By in-depth research and analysis, any literate can understand that GOD is ONE and there are NO GODS. Religions are born out of human-beings thoughts.. . and different people from different parts of world at different times started worshipping the same GOD in different ways. The way we reach GOD is different but we all reach ONLY ONE. Any scholar who is very much dedicated to GOD can explain the same concept. Buddha, Mohammad Prophet, Jesus Christ, Adi Sankaracharya are to be followed in true sense but not in manipulated way.
RE:Plz understand the HOLY books in true spirit !!!!
by anand shrinivasan ganesh on May 04, 2007 11:28 AM
"Non-believers does not mean Non-Muslims...infact it means ALL THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD ( Allah/Param athma/supreme soul)". Please take your blinkers off your eyes Gopi Nath. U mean to say that the Pagans of Mecca fought by muslims under their Prophet were atheists? They were rather "Polytheists" like Hindus. The Jews Of Banu Quraiza whom Prophet ordered to be put to death-were they atheists.
RE:Plz understand the HOLY books in true spirit !!!!
by Bheja Try on May 04, 2007 05:57 PM
jesus was not born to a virgin. in fact his mother had been quite 'active'. when the community felt that there would be ignominy for an unmarried girl, they asked joseph to do the needful. he furiously objected to teh proposal at first, but later the community elders coaxed him that he was actually doing a service to god and hence the married months before mary's full term.
RE:Plz understand the HOLY books in true spirit !!!!
by Gopi nath on May 04, 2007 11:17 AM
again you are killing the meaning of spirituality brother...Jesus is a noble man...and plz don't drag Him into controversy.. He died for us..and He wanted to eradicate evils..so plz do work towards achieving His goals rather than arguing for a religion.. Plz live upto the expectations of that sacred soul !!!
RE:Plz understand the HOLY books in true spirit !!!!
by kumar on May 04, 2007 11:25 AM
Hello DalitBible, what has jesus done for the past 2000 years, where blocks were descriminating more that dalits in India. Even now also it is going on. Where as in india, we had one dalit president, we have so many dalits MLAs and MPs. and even chief ministers also. is this possible for blocks who are praying jesus for the past 2000 years. So you are wrong
RE:Plz understand the HOLY books in true spirit !!!!
by Bheja Try on May 04, 2007 05:47 PM
It is none of anyone's business whether one believes in god or not. non-believers have the same rights as 'believers.' the gang of goons who convert these non-believers into believers are evil and follow the ideology of the devil
RE:Plz understand the HOLY books in true spirit !!!!
by sridhar gorantla on May 04, 2007 07:14 PM
GOPI NATH, You are right. Believers means not just believing and growing up beards and just sitting for nominam prayers five times a day and by heartig Holy Quran. These were the external manifestations only, but in the personal experience, one would experience the ALL PERVADING DIVINITY OR GOD OR ALLAH OR HEAVENLY FATHER e.t.c BY WAY OF PERSONAL EXPERIENCE JUST LIKE THE WAY PROPHET EXPERIENCED. AND KILLING DOESNOT MEAN MERE KILLING OF THE HUMANS,BUT KILLING OF HTE EGO, ARROGANCE,GREED,ANGER,LUST e.t.c kind of qualities that prevent a person from experience this ALL PERVADING DIVINITY.ANY ONE WHO DOESNOT EXPERIENCE THIS DIVINITY BY WAY OF PERSONAL EXPERIENCES IS A NON BELIEVER,BECAUSE UNLESS ONE EXPERIENCES DIVINITY, ONE CANNOT BELIEVE. THIS IS WHAT EVEN BIBLE AND VEDAS TELL OF THE DIVINITY. ALSO, ONE SHOULD NOT BE GIVING TOO MUCH IMPROTANCE TO CHANGING OTHERS UNTIL A PERSON EXPERIENCES THIS DIVINITY TO THE FULL EXTENT, AND THE EXTERNAL SIGNS OF EXPERIENCING THIS DIVINITY ARE CLEARLY LAID DOWN IN SPIRITUAL TEXTS LIKE VEDAS e.t.c
WITHOUT THIS FULL LEVEL OF SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCES, IF A PERSON LEADS OTHERS,THEN IT WILL BE LIKE A BLIND LEADING OTHER BLIND PEOPLE. THIS BLIND LEADING CREATES MORE CONFUSION AND CHAOS AND LOSS OF KNOWLEDGE.
hey, why do u quarrell like this . people who do not have better work to do quarrel into unnecessary matters. All people follow they own religion and stop passing coments on each one. plz. it is good for all.
RE:Please stop all this quarrel
by Bheja Try on May 04, 2007 06:02 PM
if something is wrong, then its our duty to point out. if islam is aberrant. we should all point that out. only then can our good muslim brothers reform the religion.
RE:Waste of time
by Amit Desai on May 05, 2007 06:00 AM
GANDHI WAS A BASTAR-D. HE WAS A HINDU-BASHER AND MUSLIM AS-S LICKER. TODAY'S CONGRESS PARTY IS WALKING ON HIS FOOT PRINTS.
RE:Waste of time
by Nitin jain on May 04, 2007 11:02 AM
Gandhi did some good thing but made one BAD THING to allow muslim to stay in India. now we are absolutely becoming minority. after some time all pupulation will be muslim.
RE:Waste of time
by kumar on May 04, 2007 11:13 AM
I think total population will be christian not muslim. Because as per my knowledge the growth rate of christians in the country 4 times greater than muslims. Except kashmir, muslims are not do not doing any conversions. But in the whole in India, christians doing conversions. I think christianity is more dangerous than muslim terrorism. In muslims only 1 to 2% are terrorists, except them all friends to hindus. This is what i am observing. But 90% christins are trying to conversions. They are motivating their neighbors, friends, and closed ones for conversion. I had this experience with so many whom i know. But i have some muslim friends, no one tried for converstion, in fact they are going respect to hindu gods. Not like these christians, who criticizes hindu gods and hinduism, when ever the situation came.
RE:Waste of time
by anand ganesh on May 04, 2007 12:10 PM
Wajid. I object to u referring to dalits or any community as "dirt". What if someone refers to muslims as "dirt"? Please use wholesome language while debating.
