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Khandu Patel
'India should bridge gulf between Islam, West'
by Khandu Patel on May 05, 2007 06:07 AM

Spare us the sanctimonious nonesense. Gandhi was a political failure ultimately responsible responsible for Bharat's bloody partition. Honourable men fall on their swords as punishment for their failure. The West very well recognises the failure because the creation of Pakistan was dreamt up as a state to contain Russia. It has lived up to that role admirably. Gandhi was too dim to understand politics so his grandson so spare is his advice and stick to religion.

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pratap pudi
Bridging the gap
by pratap pudi on May 05, 2007 04:42 AM  | Hide replies

Hey guys, it's very easy to bridge the gap not only between islam and the west but also any other religion or group - all you have to do is stop believing that your religion / or group is superior to others.
In the present day scenario, Christians and Muslims are the two major groups that need to realise this.
It's simple really, if you do not believe that the holy bible alone contains the "truth and absolute truth at that" - you would not be inclined to convert people from other religions and cause strife and war.
Same thing goes for Islam, if the muslims of the world can find in themselves a little healthy scepticism regarding the absolute truth contained in the holy quran, it will go a long way in reducing your contempt / hatred for other religions.
But what can you do if you repeat every day of your life - "There is no god but Allah..."
Such absolute belief in any doctrine is bound to create fanaticism - there has to be some contradiction, confusion, some scepticism regarding the belief that is expounded as the truth of the day (remember, this is how human race progressed, invented and discovered things, propounded beliefs and value systems).
Regarding the peace and harmony that exists , obviously no single group is strong enough to fight and win a war against any other group (despite umpteen number of stories in all the holy books where their god comes to the rescue and defeats a much larger army of the enemy) - when any group feels so it goes ahead and butchers the other group - witness the balkans , sudan etc etc.
Freinds, there shall be no "PAN ISLAMIC NATION" neither will there be a world where all the people belong to "CHRISTIANITY" or any one particular group (despite the billions being pumped into the third world for conversion purposes).
Kafirs shall rule the world - Kafirs have brought progress and civilisation to the human race and they shall continue to do so - AND BY KAFIRS I DO NOT MEAN HINDUS OR SIKHS OR BUDDHISTS ETC - KAFIRS ARE THOSE WHO DARE TO BE DIFFERENT FROM THE MAJORITY, WHO DARE TO CHALLENGE ANY BELIEF THAT IS PROPOUNDED AS THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH, THE ONLY PATH, THE ONLY BOOK ETC;
I am a Kafir and am really proud to be one, I relish my freedom to question and criticise my God, to invent / discover a new God every day for the rest of my life, to believe and to disbelieve, to grow as a man, as an equal to my idea of God and not just as an image that is somehow less than the whole, to be able to proclaim "AHAM BRAHMAN".
If every true believer can be a KAFIR the Gap shall be bridged otherwise there will be blood spilled as is already going on.

"IF YOU SAY YOU KNOW THE TRUTH I SHALL BE THE FIRST ONE TO LISTEN TO YOU; IF YOU SAY YOU KNOW THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH, I SHALL BE THE FIRST ONE TO KILL YOU" - Quote attributed to a Spanish Poet (don't remember his name).

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S DSouza
RE:Bridging the gap
by S DSouza on May 05, 2007 02:16 PM
As per Islam we all are kafir... but still i pity your life of kafir... You are so lost in this world that you forgot that one day you have to stand in front of the same god who have given you this beautiful life for some purpose... Use it for some connstructive thing rather than discovering God everyday...

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pratap pudi
RE:Bridging the gap
by pratap pudi on May 06, 2007 01:16 AM
Dear DSouza,
Thanks for ur pity but it's wasted on me. But, really, you pity me cause i'm lost in this world and again you are advising me to do some thing constructive with my life in this world - aren't they contradictory? - which advice do you want me to follow?
My entire post was about the kind of absolute certainity that you have displayed in your belief that one day I'll have to stand infront of God and be judged.. sorry, ain't going to happen to me as i'm not one of the sheep yet, in my personal belief system, GOD gets his butt kicked if he does not follow the laws he laid down - HE does not have the luxury of drowning his subjects when the experiment goes wrong...
Your and my personal beliefs aside - when i say that i would like to discover god everyday - I'm referring to my scepticism regarding any absolute truths being bandied about - which obviously does not allow me to believe fanatically in any one belief system and ofcourse to PITY or hate some one coz he does not share my views. Got my point?
As per Islam we are all Kafirs and as per Christianity all non christians are Infidels - different language but same meaning...
Man shall colonise space or even might die out entirely before your dream of uniting the whole world under one GOD or one BOOK comes true.
Bridging the gap is not about converting everybody and his brother to one religion, it's about developing a sense of understanding about other religions that may not believe in the Judgement Day!
VIVA LA CHOICE, VIVA LA DISSENT....
Proud to be a Kafir / Infidel.
And brother, do not make assumptions regarding my religious affinity - am sure your first guess is going to be wrong.
(Regarding doing something useful with my life, am sure am as much productive member of this society as you are if not more so...).
May your God keep you safe, I'll take care of myself.

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Sai Puducode
Hot News ! Become a secularist & gain big !!
by Sai Puducode on May 05, 2007 03:27 AM

Jamia names road after Arjun Singh

May 05, 2007 00:49 IST

The Jamia Milia University on Friday found a way of expressing its gratitude towards Human Resource Development Minister Arjun Singh when it named a road in its campus and a centre for distance learning after him.
The Arjun Singh Centre for Distance and Open Learning was inaugurated by University Grants Commission Chairman S K Thorat this evening. Earlier in the day, the road leading to Mujeeb Bagh Teachers' Housing Complex in the varsity, also named after the minister, was opened.
The road, named Shahrah-I-Arjun Singh, was inaugurated by M Rais Khan, president of the Jamia Teachers' Association. The University's Vice Chancellor Mushir-ul-Hasan justified the naming of the road and the centre after the minister, saying, "It is our Executive Council's unanimous decision.
"No HRD Minister has taken so much interest in Jamia's development as he has." Jamia had "full freedom to take its decisions", Hasan told journalists, adding they should have no problem with this. "Arjun Singh is the only HRD minister to give us special grants for infrastructure development. Hence the road was named after him," Khan said.
Singh himself inaugurated the Noam Chomsky complex in the campus that will house the Centre for Jawaharlal Nehru Studies, the Munshi Premchand Archives and Literary Centre and a boys' hostel.
While Hasan declined to answer questions whether Singh's consent had been taken before naming the road and centre after him, the minister too refused to answer any queries. "If you don't like it you can bring it down," Singh shot back. Speaking after inaugurating the complex named after Chomsky, Singh talked about Jamia's historical background when it was shifted from Aligarh to Karol Bagh in Delhi way back in 1925.
Quoting Mahatma Gandhi's remarks when Jamia was shifted to Delhi, he said, "Jamia has to run. If you are worried about its finances, I will go about with a begging bowl. "All I can say is that Jamia has been and shall be a different seat of learning," he noted. Singh said the funding Jamia receives today is testimony to the tenacity and resoluteness of the institution and its founders.
He had special praise for the Vice Chancellor and said the varsity had witnessed the "...virtual unleashing of its creative potential under his leadership". "We got special grants of Rs 40 crore in 2005 and Rs 150 crore in 2006 after Singh became HRD minister," Khan said. Besides the special grants, the varsity is getting regular grants too, he said.


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R Singh
History of Islam
by R Singh on May 05, 2007 01:46 AM  | Hide replies

1. Invasion, plunder of India for centuries
2. Recently, killing of children in Beslan, Russia by Chechen Muslims terrorists
3. Terrorism in India
4. 9/11 atrocity in US
5. London, Madrid blasts (thanks to Pakis)
6. Taliban and extremism
7. Forced conversions of HIndus, Budhists in South Asia through centuries
8. Partition of India (thanks to Jinnah)
and the list goes on and on........

And this writer wants us to bridge the gap?
Is he gone mad. You don't talk to retards. they have their Islam, we have our JDAM GBU-31 missiles dropping at these phucker's asses.

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Veen Varadarajan
Why bother bridging Islam and West??
by Veen Varadarajan on May 04, 2007 11:42 PM  | Hide replies

How many Islamic countries try to portray Hinduism in a good sense to West? So, Let Rajmohan do it himself as he's got nothing else to do. Let the Indians be busy building their country and taking care of their own lives.

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Sai Puducode
RE:Why bother bridging Islam and West??
by Sai Puducode on May 05, 2007 12:01 AM
I am not surprised with the views expressed because that the nature of a typical Hindu, always forgiving & condoning others faults. Poor Gandhi tried & Jinnah similar to what Musharaf did to Vajpayee outfoxed him. Nobody is suggesting that we have to hate Muslims for what their ancestors did or what they are doing now. It is true that Love conquers all & we must %u201CLove All & Serve All%u201D while keeping our ears & eyes open. . The basic question is, have the Muslims changed any of their views regarding non-Muslims, tyranny, fanaticism, terrorism etc. Look what the Islamic terrorist attacks have done in the temple in Benares, Parliament house, Akshardyan temple in Ahmadabad, IISc in Bangalore, terrorist acts in Kerala, Coinmbatore, Bombay train blast & other bombings, Godhra carnage etc the picture is clear that we are under siege & constant attack. Once the whole of India used to be Hindu but due to repeated assaults by people like Ghazni, Ghori, Musharaff there are more Muslims in India now than most of the other countries, including Pakistan. They are even opposed to singing Vande Mataram extolling our motherland India?

From Algeria, Sudan in the west to Indonesia in the east, all countries are Islamic & the only thorn on their back is India & Isreal; two non-Islamic countries. They have illusions of conquering the whole world, if necessary by force and they are desperately trying to make a terrorist atom bomb. This is what an Ex-Muslim has to say about Islamic terrorism:
%u201CToday humanity is being challenged. Unthinkable atrocities take place on daily basis. There is an evil force at work that aims to destroy us. The agents of this evil respect nothing; not even the lives of children. Every day there are bombings, every day innocent people are targeted and murdered. It seems as if we are helpless. But we are not!
The ancient Chinese sage Sun Zi said, "Know your enemy and you won't be defeated". Do we know our enemy? If we don't, then we are doomed.
Terrorism is not an ideology, it is a tool; but the terrorists kill for an ideology. They call that ideology Islam. The entire world, both Muslims and non-Muslims claim that the terrorists have hijacked "the religion of peace" and Islam does not condone violence.
Who is right? Do the terrorists understand Islam better, or do those who decry them? The answer to this question is the key to our victory, and failure to find that key will result in our loss and death will be upon us. The key is in the Quran and the history of Islam.
Those of us, who know Islam, know that the understanding of the terrorists of Islam is correct. They are doing nothing that their prophet did not do and did not encourage his followers to do. Murder, rape, assassination, beheading, massacre and sacrilege of the dead "to delight the hearts of the believers" were all practiced by Muhammad, were taught by him and were observed by Muslims throughout their history.
If truth has ever mattered, it matters most now! This is the time that we have to call a spade a spade. This is the time that we have to find the root of the problem and eradicate it. The root of Islamic terrorism is Islam. The proof of that is the Quran.
We are a group of ex-Muslims who have seen the face of the evil and have risen to warn the world. No matter how painful the truth may be, only truth can set us free. Why this much denial? Why so much obstinacy? How many more innocent lives should be lost before YOU open your eyes? A nuclear disaster is upon us. This will happen. It is not a question of "if" but "when". Oblivious of that, the world is digging its head deeper in the sand.
We urge the Muslims to leave Islam. Stop with excuses, justifications and rationalizations. Stop dividing mankind into "us" vs. "them" and Muslims vs. Kafirs. We are One people, One mankind! Muhammad was not a messenger of God. It is time that we end this insanity and face the truth. The terrorists take their moral support and the validation for their actions from you. Your very adherence to their cult of death is a nod of approval for their crimes against humanity.
We also urge the non-Muslims to stop being politically correct lest they hurt the sensitivities of the Muslims. To Hell with their sensitivities! Let us save their lives, and the lives of millions of innocent people. Millions, if not billions of lives will be lost if we do nothing. Time is running out! "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing." Do something! Send this message to everyone in your address book and ask them to do the same. Defeat Islam and stop terrorism. This is your world, save it%u201D.
The ex-Muslim Movement
http://www.faithfreedom.org/gallery.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/7.htm


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anand ganesh
Bridge between Islam and the West
by anand ganesh on May 04, 2007 07:03 PM  | Hide replies

Oh! How very correct is Rajmohan Gandhi. India should use our good offices to convince the West that Islam is a peaceful religion. The Quran preaches peace with verses such as this:
3:28, Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah



8:12, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them





9:5, But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.

9:3, And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.
Note: This is what Pakistan can be expected to do with treaties with India or other non-muslim countries.

9:23, O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.

9:28, O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.

9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

9:39, Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least.

9:73, O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

9:111, Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur%u2019an

9:123, O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

22:9, (Disdainfully) bending his side, in order to lead (men) astray from the Path of Allah: for him there is disgrace in this life, and on the Day of Judgment We shall make him taste the Penalty of burning (Fire).

22:19-22; These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), %u201CTaste ye the Penalty of Burning!%u201D




48:13 And if any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!"

So , these "peaceful" teachuings when brought to the notice of the West, a bridge between Islam and West can be truly built. Why doesn't Rajmohan Gandhi read Quran before he makes such statements?

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VIJAYA BUDDHIRAJU
RE:Bridge between Islam and the West
by VIJAYA BUDDHIRAJU on May 04, 2007 11:11 PM
There is a jerk who writes against Brahmins saying other religons are great and brotherly. This idiot should read this to educate himself,. That guy's name is Pradeep Thomas. And also the IAS fellow who is taking the movie of Periyar guy, also read how peaceful and kind other religions awere and are. Every religon and group invariably will have some dark history. Today's India has the scurge of runaway reservations-200 years from now those generations will see how horrible 20th century Hindus were, exhibiting shameless discriminationagainst others. Unless some thing is currently practiced, we should not get emotional and rouse emotions. Even if its practiced, we should punish those individuals, but never attack a community.
My worry with Islam is their Mullahs want to take these things literally and hurt others.

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Ek Hindustani
RE:Bridge between Islam and the West
by Ek Hindustani on May 04, 2007 09:17 PM
Greetings,
Picking and choosing these verses from the Quran is like picking and choosing all the violent scenes from a good family movie, and projecting that movie to be a horror flick. These verses should be taken in the context of which they are said, there are numerous instances where Muslims at the time of the revelatiosn were being persecuted and were cornered and some of these verses came down from God and fit the context of that time. C'Mon people - lets be fair - if you really wanna judge why dont you post the verses that teach peach and harmony - there will be 20 versese on peace harmony and forgiveness for every one of these verses. Anyone gonna post those????


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Shahryar Pax
RE:Bridge between Islam and the West
by Shahryar Pax on May 04, 2007 09:26 PM

Mr. Ek Hindustani,

Since you beLIEve that the Kor'an teaches peace and harmony, perhaps you would like to let the rest of us know where they are ---- chapter and verse, please!

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anand ganesh
RE:Bridge between Islam and the West
by anand ganesh on May 05, 2007 10:25 AM
Family movies are fictions. Do ye read the disclaimers-that any resembelance to living or dead persons is coincidental and not intended etc.etc. There is no requirement that anybody should lead life according to that. They are for entertainment only.But Quran is not a family movie. It is a religious text which faithfuls have to follow. Do u mean to say that that Qauran is also a fiction like a movie? dOES qURAN CONTAIN SUCH DISCLAIMERS as in family movies?

For your information, there was no so-called persecution of muslims or Prophet Muhammad. These are lies touted by muslims. Muslims are allowed to lie for their religion-this is called "taqiyya". Prophet Muhammad insulted the Gods of the Pagans. And what they did? They merely exiled him from Mecca. And what did the Prophet do to those critical of Islam including a 120-year old man who composed crtitcal verses? He ordered assassination of that man.

It is again a lie that for every violent verse, there are 20 of peace and forgiveness.I have myself listed out 14 verses. Now, Ek Hindustani, please list out 280 verses of forgiveness and peace which u talk about-chapter and verse.

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Sunny Armageddon
RE:RE:Bridge between Islam and the West
by Sunny Armageddon on May 05, 2007 12:39 PM
The noble religion of Islam has nothing to do with a few misguided exploited people. I reproduce and article below:____________________________________________
Islam is Not the Source of Terrorism, But its Solution

[ Harun Yahya ]

Introduction
During the last two decades in particular, the concept of "Islamic terror" has been often discussed. In the wake of the September 11 terrorist attacks on targets in New York and Washington which caused the death of tens of thousands of innocent civilians, this concept has once again returned to the top of the international agenda.

As Muslims, we completely condemn these attacks and offer our condolences to the American people.
In this article, we will explain that Islam is by no means the source of this violence and that violence has no place in Islam.

We strongly condemn the cruel terrorist acts which targeted the innocent people of the United States.
One point that should be stressed at the outset is that the identities of the perpetrators of the acts of terrorism which targeted the United States are not yet determined. There is a chance that these horrible attackers are linked to quite different centres. It may well be a communist organisation harbouring rage and hatred against American values, a fascist organisation opposing federal administration or a secret faction in another state. Even though the hijackers have Muslim identities, the questions regarding by whom and for what purposes these people were used will probably remain to be a mystery.

The fact remains however, that even if the terrorists have Muslim identities, the terror they perpetrated cannot be labelled "Islamic terror", just as it would not be called "Jewish terror" if the perpetrators were Jews or "Christian terror" if they were Christians.

That is because, as we will examine in the following pages, murdering innocent people in the name of religion is unacceptable. We need to keep in mind that, among those who were killed in Washington or New York, there were people who loved Jesus (Christians), Prophet Moses (Jews) and Muslims. According to Islam, murdering innocent people is a great sin that, unless forgiven by God, brings torment in Hell.
Thus, a religious person who has fear of God can never commit such an act.

In fact, the aggressors can commit such violence only with the intention of attacking religion itself. It may well be that they carried out this violence to present religion as evil in the eyes of people, to divorce people from religion and to generate hatred and reaction against pious people. Consequently, every attack having a "religious" facade on American citizens or other innocent people is actually an attack made against religion.
All the three Theistic religions command love, mercy and peace. Terror, on the other hand, is the opposite of religion; it is cruel, merciless and it demands bloodshed and misery. This being the case, while looking for the perpetrators of a terrorist act, its origins should be sought in disbelief rather than in religion. People with a fascist, communist, racist or materialist outlook on life should be suspected as potential perpetrators. The name or the identity of the triggerman is not important. If he can kill innocent people without blinking an eye, whatever his label is, then he is a disbeliever, not a believer. He is a murderer with no fear of God, whose main ambition is to shed blood and to give harm.

For this reason, "Islamic terror" is quite a erroneous concept which contradicts Islam's message. That is because, the religion of Islam can by no means concur with terror. On the contrary, Muslims are responsible for preventing terrorist acts and bringing peace and justice to the world.

The Values of the Qur'an demands Goodness, Justice and Peace

Terror, in its broadest sense, is violence committed against non-military targets for political purposes. To put it in another way, the targets of terror are entirely innocent civilians whose only crime is, in the eyes of terrorists, to represent "the other".

This is an act bereft of any moral justification. This, as in the case of murders committed by Hitler or Stalin, is a crime committed against "mankind".

The Qur'an is a Book revealed to people as a guide to the true path and in this Book, God commands man to adopt good morals. This morality is based upon concepts such as love, compassion, tolerance and mercy. God calls all people to Islamic morals through which compassion, mercy, peace and tolerance can be experienced all over the world:

You who believe! Enter absolutely into peace (Islam). Do not follow in the footsteps of Satan. He is an outright enemy to you.

The values of the Qur'an hold a Muslim responsible for treating all people, whether Muslim or non-Muslim, kindly and justly, protecting the needy and the innocent and preventing the "dissemination of mischief". Mischief comprises all forms of anarchy and terror that remove security, comfort and peace. As God says in a verse, "God does not love mischief makers". (Surat al-Qasas: 77)

Murdering a person for no reason is one of the most obvious examples of mischief. God repeats in the Qur'an a command He formerly revealed to Jews in the Old Testament thus:

So We decreed for the tribe of Israel that if someone kills another person - unless it is in retaliation for someone else or for causing corruption in the earth - it is as if he had murdered all mankind. And if anyone gives life to another person, it is as if he had given life to all mankind. Our Messengers came to them with Clear Signs but even after that many of them committed outrages in the earth. (Surat al-Ma'ida: 32)

As the verse suggests, a person who kills even a single man, "unless it is in retaliation for someone else or for causing corruption in the earth", commits a crime as if he had murdered all mankind on earth.

This being the case, it is obvious what great sins are the murders, massacres and, attacks, popularly known as "suicide attacks", committed by terrorists are. God informs us how this cruel face of terrorism will be punished in the hereafter in the following verse:

There are only grounds against those who wrong people and act as tyrants in the earth without any right to do so. Such people will have a painful punishment. (Surat ash-Shura: 42)

All these reveal that organising acts of terror against innocent people is utterly against Islam and it is unlikely that any Muslim could ever commit such crime. On the contrary, Muslims are responsible for stopping these people, removing "mischief on earth" and bringing peace and security to all people all over the world. Being a Muslim cannot be reconciled with terror. Just the contrary, it is the solution and prevention of terror.
This being the case, how did the popular term "Islamic terror" emerge?

What has been examined so far reveals that it is not possible to talk about an "Islamic" terror. Indeed, a closer look at the characteristics of the perpetrators explicitly reveals that this terror is not a religious but a social phenomenon.

Crusaders: Barbarians Who Trampled Their Own Religion

A helmet used by the Crusaders.

The true message of a religion or another system of belief can be at times exposed to distortion by its pseudo-adherents. The Crusaders, who constitute a dark episode of Christian history, set a good example of this.

Crusaders were European Christians who undertook the expeditions at the end of the 11th century to recover the Holy Land (the area around Palestine) from the Muslims. They set out with a so-called religious goal, yet they laid waste each acre of land they entered with fear and violence. They subjected civilians to mass executions and plundered many villages and towns.

Their conquest of Jerusalem, where Muslims, Jews and Christians lived under Islamic rule in peace, became the scene of immense bloodshed. They violently killed all Muslims and Jews. The Crusaders' barbarism was so excessive that, during the Fourth Crusade, they plundered Istanbul, also a Christian city, and stole the golden objects from the churches.

Despite the fact that Christianity is a religion of love and pacifism, the Crusaders slaughtered innocent people in the name of Christ. They misunderstood their religion.

No doubt, all this barbarism was utterly against Christian political doctrine. That is because, Christianity, in the words of the Bible, is a "gospel of love". In the Gospel according to Matthew, it is said that Jesus said

"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" to his followers (Matthew, 5/44)

In the Gospel according to Luke, it is said that Jesus said "If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also." (Luke, 6/29)

No doubt, in no part of the New Testament, is there reference to the legitimacy of violence; murdering innocent people, on the other hand, is unimaginable. You can find the concept of "massacre of the innocents" in the Bible; yet, only in the cruel Jewish King Herod's attempt to kill Jesus while he was a baby.
While Christianity is a religion based on love that accommodates no violence, how did Christian Crusaders carry out the most violent acts of history? The major reason for this is that, Crusaders were mainly made up of ignorant people who could better be defined as "rabble". These masses, who knew almost nothing about their religion, who had never read or even seen the Bible once in their lifetime, and who were therefore completely unaware of the moral values of the Bible, were led into barbarism under the conditioning of Crusaders' slogans as "God wills it".

It is worth mentioning that in that period, Eastern Christians - the people of Byzantium, for instance - who were culturally far ahead of Western Christians, espoused more humane values. Both before and after the Crusaders' conquests, Orthodox Christians managed to live together with Muslims. According to Terry Johns, the BBC commentator, with the withdrawal of the Crusaders from Middle East, " civilized life started again and members of the three monotheistic faith returned to peaceful coexistence." [1] The example of the Crusaders is indicative of a general phenomenon: The more the adherents of an ideology are uncivilised, intellectually underdeveloped and "ignorant", the more likely they are to resort to violence. This also holds true for ideologies that have nothing to do with religion. All communist movements around the world are prone to violence. Yet the most savage and blood-thirsty of them was the Khmer Rouge of Cambodia. That is because they were the most ignorant.

Just as ignorant people may take a violence-ridden opinion to the point of insanity, so they may confuse violence with an opinion against violence (or to religion). The Islamic world also experienced such cases.

The Bedouin Character in the Qur'an

In the period of our Prophet, there existed two basic social structures in Arabia. City-dwellers and Bedouins (Desert Arabs). A sophisticated culture prevailed in Arab towns. Commercial relations linked the towns to the outer world, which contributed to the formation of "civilized life" among Arabs dwelling in cities. They had refined aesthetic values, enjoyed literature and, especially poetry. Desert Arabs, on the other hand, were the nomad tribes living in the desert who had a very crude culture. Utterly unaware of arts and literature, they developed an unrefined, harsh character.

Islam was born and developed among the inhabitants of Mecca, the most important city of the peninsula. However, as Islam spread to the peninsula, all tribes in Arabia embraced it. Among these tribes were also Desert Arabs, who were somehow problematic: their poor intellectual and cultural background prevented them from grasping the profundity and noble spirit of Islam. Of this God states the following in a verse:

The Desert Arabs are more obdurate in disbelief and hypocrisy and more likely not to know the limits which God has sent down to His Messenger. God is All-Knowing, All-Wise. (Surat at-Tawba: 97)

The Desert Arabs, that is, social groups who were "obdurate in disbelief and hypocrisy" and prone to disobey God's commands, became a part of the Islamic world in the Prophet's lifetime. In latter periods, they became a source of trouble for the Islamic world. The sect called "Kharijis" that emerged among Bedouins was an example. The most distinctive trait of this perverse sect (which was called "Kharijis" the rebels because they greatly deviated from Sunni practises), was their extremely vulgar, wild and fanatical nature. The "Kharijis", who had no comprehension whatsoever of the essence of Islam or of the virtues and the values of the Qur'an, waged war against all other Muslims and based this war on a few Qur'anic verses about which they made distorted interpretations. Furthermore, they carried out "acts of terrorism". Caliph Ali, who was one of the closest companions of the Prophet and was described by him as the "gate of the city of knowledge", was assassinated by a Kharijite.

In latter periods, "Hashashis" (Assassins), another brutal organisation, emerged; this was a "terrorist organisation" made up of ignorant and fanatical militants bereft of a profound understanding of the essence of Islam and thus who could be readily influenced by simple slogans and promises.

In other words, just as the Crusaders distorted and misinterpreted Christianity as a teaching of brutality, some perverted groups emerging in the Islamic world misinterpreted Islam and resorted to brutality. What is common to these sects and the Crusaders was their "Bedouin" nature. That is, they were ignorant, unrefined, uncultivated, vulgar, and isolated people. The violence they resorted resulted from this social structure, rather than the religion to which they claimed to adhere.

The Actual Source of Terrorism: The Third World Fanaticism

These examples from history are enlightening for a better understanding of the phenomenon, the so-called "Islamic terror", which is nowadays on the top of the international agenda. That is because those who emerge and carry out acts of terrorism in the name of Islam or those who back such acts -these people, no doubt, represent a minority in the world of Islam- stem from this "Bedouin character", not from Islam. Failing to understand the essence of Islam, they try to make Islam, essentially a religion of peace and justice, a tool of barbarism, which is simply an outcome of their social and cultural structure. The origin of this barbarism, which may well be called the "Third World Fanaticism", is the benighted initiatives of people who are devoid of love for humans.

It is a fact that, for the last few centuries, Muslims in all corners of the Islamic world, are being subjected to violence by Western forces and their affiliates. The colonialist European states, local oppressive regimes or colonialists backed by the West (Israel, for instance) caused great suffering for Muslims at large. However, for Muslims, this is a situation that has to be approached and responded to from a purely Qur'anic stance.
In no part of the Qur'an does God command believers to "respond to violence with violence". On the contrary, God commands Muslims to "respond to evil with goodness":

A good action and a bad action are not the same. Repel the bad with something better and, if there is enmity between you and someone else, he will be like a bosom friend. (Surat al-Fussilat: 34)

It is no doubt a legitimate right of Muslims to react against cruelty. However, these reactions should never turn into a blind hatred, an unjust enmity. God warns about this in the following verse: "... Do not let hatred for a people who debar you from the Masjid al-Haram incite you into going beyond the limits. Help each other to goodness and heedfulness. Do not help each other to wrongdoing and enmity. Heed God Allah (alone)..." (Surat al-Ma'ida: 2)

Consequently, carrying out terrorist acts under the pretence of "representing the oppressed nations of the world", against the innocent people of other nations is by no means compatible with Islam.

Another point that deserves a special mention here is that all the Western world cannot be held responsible for the aforementioned colonialist (or "neo-colonialist) violence and oppression against Muslims. Actually, the materialist, irreligious philosophies and ideologies that prevailed in the 19th century are responsible for these dismal acts. European colonialism did not originate from Christianity. On the contrary, anti-religious movements opposing the values of Christianity led the way to colonialism. At the roots of the greatest brutalities of the 19th century lies the Social Darwinist ideology.

In the Western world today, there are still cruel, mischievous and opposing elements as well as a culture dominated by peaceful and just elements that have its roots in Judeo-Christian faith. As a matter of fact, the main disagreement is not between the West and Islam. Contrary to the general opinion, it is between the religios people of the West and of the Muslim world on the one hand, and the people opposing religion (like materialists and atheists.) on the other.

Another indication that Third World Fanaticism has nothing to do with Islam is that, until recently, this fanaticism has been identified with communist ideology. As is known, similar anti-Western acts of terror were carried out in 1960s and 70s by Soviet-backed communist organisations. As the impact of the communist ideology faded, some of the social structures which gave birth to communist organisations have turned their attention to Islam. This "brutality presented under the guise of religion", which is formulated by the incorporation of some Islamic concepts and symbols into the former communist rhetoric are entirely against the moral values constituting the essence of Islam.

Anti-Western radicalism once used the communist ideology to support its violence. Now it is trying to use religious concepts.

A last remark about this issue is that Islam is not peculiar to a particular nation or geography. Contrary to the dominant Western perception, Islam is not an "Eastern culture". Islam is the last religion revealed to mankind as a guide to the true path that recommends itself to all humanity. Muslims are responsible for communicating the true religion they believe in to all people of all nations and cultures and making them feel closer to Islam.
Consequently, there is a unique solution for people and groups who, in the name of Islam, resort to terror or establish oppressive regimes and turn this world into a dreadful place instead of beautifying it: revealing the true Islam and communicating it so that the masses can understand and live by it.






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anand ganesh
RE:Bridge between Islam and the West
by anand ganesh on May 05, 2007 03:13 PM
Dear Sunny, U need not reproduce articles written by others. Study the Quran, HADEES AND iSLAMIC history yourself. Read translation of Quran in English or any other language that u understand.

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RE:[object]
by anand ganesh on May 05, 2007 03:17 PM
Dear Sunny,U have not stated that the verses cited by me don'y exist in Quran.

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EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by sridhar gorantla on May 04, 2007 07:00 PM  | Hide replies

UNDERSTAND ORIGINAL CASTE SYSTEM CLEARLY AND THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND HOW IT WAS MISUSED IN INDIAN HISTORY.
HERE IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE WORLD FAMOUS BOOK "AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A YOGI" by SWAMI PARAMAHAMSA YOGANANDA.
HERE IS A FREE ONLINE VERSION OF THIS BOOK:

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---------------------------------------------------------------< BR>HERE IS THE CASTE SYSTEM EXPLANATION IN ITS UNADULTERATED FORM:
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The origin of the caste system, formulated by the great legislator Manu, was admirable. He saw clearly that men are distinguished by natural evolution into four great classes: those capable of offering service to society through their bodily labor ( Sudras); those who serve through mentality, skill, agriculture, trade, commerce, business life in general (Vaisyas); those whose talents are administrative, executive, and protective%u2014rulers and warriors ( Kshatriyas); those of contemplative nature, spiritually inspired and inspiring (Brahmins). "Neither birth nor sacraments nor study nor ancestry can decide whether a person is twice-born (i.e., a Brahmin);" the Mahabharata declares, "character and conduct only can decide."Manu instructed society to show respect to its members insofar as they possessed wisdom, virtue, age, kinship or, lastly, wealth. Riches in Vedic India were always despised if they were hoarded or unavailable for charitable purposes. Ungenerous men of great wealth were assigned a low rank in society.

"Inclusion in one of these four castes originally depended not on a man's birth but on his natural capacities as demonstrated by the goal in life he elected to achieve," an article in East-West for January, 1935, tells us. "This goal could be (1) kama, desire, activity of the life of the senses (Sudra stage), (2) artha, gain, fulfilling but controlling the desires (Vaisya stage), (3) dharma, self-discipline, the life of responsibility and right action (Kshatriya stage), (4) moksha, liberation, the life of spirituality and religious teaching (Brahmin stage). These four castes render service to humanity by (1) body, (2) mind, (3) will power, (4) Spirit.
"These four stages have their correspondence in the eternal gunas or qualities of nature, tamas, rajas, and sattva: obstruction, activity, and expansion; or, mass, energy, and intelligence. The four natural castes are marked by the gunas as (1) tamas (ignorance), (2) tamas-rajas (mixture of ignorance and activity), (3) rajas-sattva (mixture of right activity and enlightenment), (4) sattva (enlightenment). Thus has nature marked every man with his caste, by the predominance in himself of one, or the mixture of two, of the gunas. Of course every human being has all three gunas in varying proportions. The guru will be able rightly to determine a man's caste or evolutionary status.

Serious evils arose when the caste system became hardened through the centuries into a hereditary halter. Social reformers like Gandhi and the members of very numerous societies in India today are making slow but sure progress in restoring the ancient values of caste, based solely on natural qualification and not on birth. Every nation on earth has its own distinctive misery-producing karma to deal with and remove; India, too, with her versatile and invulnerable spirit, shall prove herself equal to the task of caste-reformation.

"To a certain extent, all races and nations observe in practice, if not in theory, the features of caste. Where there is great license or so-called liberty, particularly in intermarriage between extremes in the natural castes, the race dwindles away and becomes extinct. The Purana Samhita compares the offspring of such unions to barren hybrids, like the mule which is incapable of propagation of its own species. Artificial species are eventually exterminated. History offers abundant proof of numerous great races which no longer have any living representatives. The caste system of India is credited by her most profound thinkers with being the check or preventive against license which has preserved the purity of the race and brought it safely through millenniums of vicissitudes, while other races have vanished in oblivion."


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anand ganesh
RE:EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by anand ganesh on May 04, 2007 07:08 PM
Right Dude. What do u propose to do to reform Hinduism?

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RE:EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by VIJAYA BUDDHIRAJU on May 04, 2007 11:13 PM
Hinduism corrects and corrects itself with times. You do not do anything specific to create problems assuming you are solving.

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sridhar gorantla
RE:EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by sridhar gorantla on May 04, 2007 07:26 PM
Treat people accordingly by WAY OF THEIR CHARACTER AND NOTHING ELSE. This is what the change need to be, rather than treating people by way of their wealth or by way of their birth background e.t.c.

LET US ACCEPT THAT in history, the original caste system that has preserved vedic culture for very long times was misused by those who were supposed to treat everyone as same on other aspects EXCEPT ON CHARACTER.

Now, what we need to do as younger generation is to have patience and work towards educating people, by WE being the role models rather than just vent out anger and create more and more chaos. Things are changing now in this aspect compared to 15 or 20 years back, and people are coming openly about current caste misuse by ignorant folks. People may think it is slower, but believe me, slow and steady wins the race in certain instances. What we need is first to educate people on wider levels and not just at the higher levles. We should educate on the purpose of original caste system, what it was originally and how it was misused and then people will understand themselves of what to do. Above all, we should have patience to correct the past mistakes rather than just fight and vent out frustrations at each other. Fighting will only damage everyone. Also, if we fight among ourselves, some opportunistinc maniacs from outside will try to take advantage.

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firefly
the title should have been...
by firefly on May 04, 2007 06:32 PM

India should set the terrorists on Gulf fire with the help of west.

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firefly
The Religion of Massacre
by firefly on May 04, 2007 06:17 PM

As in bhavishya puran,

read for your selves how much hatred this religion preaches. how does the world expect peace...form such guys...they have misinterpreted everything in KORAN.and have edited it.

http://www.answering-islam.de/Main/Hahn/Mawdudi/index.htm#I

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