India have suffered long enough with this disease called islam. For hundreds of years they robbed and pillaged the country. Destroyed temples, looted property and abducted women.
Thanks to the idiotic people like gandhi, nehru and current congress/communists we are still suffering.
Until we eliminate this disease called muslim India will remain backward. May be time time get rid of all this useless politicians and start fresh with new leaders who have guts and vision and speak the truth without fear.
All these gandhis and reports should be binned. jai bharat
RE:DISEASE OF ISLAM
by sridhar gorantla on May 04, 2007 07:01 PM
UNDERSTAND ORIGINAL CASTE SYSTEM CLEARLY AND THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND HOW IT WAS MISUSED IN INDIAN HISTORY. HERE IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE WORLD FAMOUS BOOK "AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A YOGI" by SWAMI PARAMAHAMSA YOGANANDA. HERE IS A FREE ONLINE VERSION OF THIS BOOK:
http://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/
---------------------------------------------------------------< BR>HERE IS THE CASTE SYSTEM EXPLANATION IN ITS UNADULTERATED FORM: --------------------------------------------------------------- The origin of the caste system, formulated by the great legislator Manu, was admirable. He saw clearly that men are distinguished by natural evolution into four great classes: those capable of offering service to society through their bodily labor ( Sudras); those who serve through mentality, skill, agriculture, trade, commerce, business life in general (Vaisyas); those whose talents are administrative, executive, and protective%u2014rulers and warriors ( Kshatriyas); those of contemplative nature, spiritually inspired and inspiring (Brahmins). "Neither birth nor sacraments nor study nor ancestry can decide whether a person is twice-born (i.e., a Brahmin);" the Mahabharata declares, "character and conduct only can decide."Manu instructed society to show respect to its members insofar as they possessed wisdom, virtue, age, kinship or, lastly, wealth. Riches in Vedic India were always despised if they were hoarded or unavailable for charitable purposes. Ungenerous men of great wealth were assigned a low rank in society.
"Inclusion in one of these four castes originally depended not on a man's birth but on his natural capacities as demonstrated by the goal in life he elected to achieve," an article in East-West for January, 1935, tells us. "This goal could be (1) kama, desire, activity of the life of the senses (Sudra stage), (2) artha, gain, fulfilling but controlling the desires (Vaisya stage), (3) dharma, self-discipline, the life of responsibility and right action (Kshatriya stage), (4) moksha, liberation, the life of spirituality and religious teaching (Brahmin stage). These four castes render service to humanity by (1) body, (2) mind, (3) will power, (4) Spirit. "These four stages have their correspondence in the eternal gunas or qualities of nature, tamas, rajas, and sattva: obstruction, activity, and expansion; or, mass, energy, and intelligence. The four natural castes are marked by the gunas as (1) tamas (ignorance), (2) tamas-rajas (mixture of ignorance and activity), (3) rajas-sattva (mixture of right activity and enlightenment), (4) sattva (enlightenment). Thus has nature marked every man with his caste, by the predominance in himself of one, or the mixture of two, of the gunas. Of course every human being has all three gunas in varying proportions. The guru will be able rightly to determine a man's caste or evolutionary status.
Serious evils arose when the caste system became hardened through the centuries into a hereditary halter. Social reformers like Gandhi and the members of very numerous societies in India today are making slow but sure progress in restoring the ancient values of caste, based solely on natural qualification and not on birth. Every nation on earth has its own distinctive misery-producing karma to deal with and remove; India, too, with her versatile and invulnerable spirit, shall prove herself equal to the task of caste-reformation.
"To a certain extent, all races and nations observe in practice, if not in theory, the features of caste. Where there is great license or so-called liberty, particularly in intermarriage between extremes in the natural castes, the race dwindles away and becomes extinct. The Purana Samhita compares the offspring of such unions to barren hybrids, like the mule which is incapable of propagation of its own species. Artificial species are eventually exterminated. History offers abundant proof of numerous great races which no longer have any living representatives. The caste system of India is credited by her most profound thinkers with being the check or preventive against license which has preserved the purity of the race and brought it safely through millenniums of vicissitudes, while other races have vanished in oblivion."
RE:DISEASE OF ISLAM
by firefly on May 04, 2007 06:27 PM
HEY SANTOSH KUMAR,
ur a disgrace on us HINDUS, or ur pretendng to be a Hindu. Vedas never teach all this.
Shudra is person who eats meat, but still can attain the highest planet of GOD - VAIKUNTHA. Women are the highest regarded in HINDU families. ALL ANIMATE and INANIMATE are considered to be embodiments of the LORD.
DID u read the MANU SMIRITI or KORAN???? hahahahahahahahha
Dont teach us about Vedas OK?????? People like u should be kicked and made to sit on Ass.
RE:DISEASE OF ISLAM
by anand ganesh on May 04, 2007 03:59 PM
Dear Santosh, Shudra does not translate for Dalit. Dalits are outside the Varna system. However, Manu Smriti is a disgusting book. 70% of it is all trash.
RE:DISEASE OF ISLAM
by anand ganesh on May 04, 2007 05:35 PM
True. Religious scriptures be damned. Whatever is there in any religious scriptures which go against modern Constitutional ideals(be that in any religion) should be jettisoned. These scriptures should be allowed to be published after deleting anything repugnant to Constitutional ideals. If publishers do not do so, the copies of books should be seized and destroyed.
RE:DISEASE OF ISLAM
by firefly on May 04, 2007 07:46 PM
by the way Manu smiriti never taught what this Santosh Kumar is writing....dont beleive him...i think he is not a hindu.
RE:DISEASE OF ISLAM
by Mak C on May 04, 2007 06:04 PM
Dear prachanda, How are your views different from Al Qaidese or Talibanese? A society cannot be called civilised if elements in them harbour extreme views such as those of Al Qaida, Taliban and hey! also yours....
RE:DISEASE OF ISLAM
by anand ganesh on May 04, 2007 06:11 PM
Mak C. Which world are u living in??. "Those who sow the winds reap the whirlwinds". It cannot be expected that muslims will do what they like and others will not react to them. Muslims have been preaching hate against non-muslims(please read the Quran) and killing non-muslims.Not merely in India. Have u seen the tower of skulls built in Blakans by muslims with skulls of Christians whom they beheaded?
It really does not matter what gandhi did or did not do and now his grandson cannot justify or give verdict on that. Today we see all this becuase one religion tries to show superiority and to do that each has a different way - One belives in population bulding and ojter in giving money for conversion. So this goes on . Few mail in the internet is not going to change anything as the main source for these are not at a very different level. Rajmohan looks like is against all brahmins becasue of one Godse, if that is true then due to one terrorist what shouold we infer the some religion ?
RE:India bridge guld between Islam, west...
by firefly on May 04, 2007 01:33 PM
Yes Gopal ur rite in all means,
The new islam in contrast with the old Koran teaches only violence. Its time every Muslim realise the intentions of some LUCIPHERS in islam that teach the young generation only the insight of violence and hatred.
If they really beleive ALLAH is the only one GOD then how come they dont feel ashamed in killing ALLAHS created people. Did ALLAH come personally and asked anyone to do these killings.
C'mon all be sensible, we are all come from one source..whichever name u call HIM, is he going to change???????? Be reasonable.
If u start killing other communities, mark my words even ALLAH will forbid u all from eternity.
In all the religious scripts form all religions that ive read it clearly states the speech from the trinity of GODHEAD, and it says we all are ONE and from ONE. And finally when everything subdues we merge into ONE.
The world is going to face grave calamities in the coming years(bcoz of the wrath of the Annihilator or GOD SHIVA seeing all these bad things happening in the world). If he further sees that we dont unite as humans even in distress, HE will think humanity is lost and then the world submerges in water.
BYE BYE humans...enough of hatred.
So be wise and human, dont become a lending ear to the demon.
i will lik to comment on mr satyadev s message. wen u talk about terrorism its not a religion tats propagating, its human evil behaviour.can you point out hich religion has thought corruption? and people of which religion r involved? the main evil in india today is corruption. actually if u goto see then all top class politicians and government jobs are hold by non muslims? then does hinduism teach corruption? there r many more things 2 b told. remember no religion teaches bad . it is the human being who r of diff natures.
RE:islam -religion
by anand ganesh on May 04, 2007 06:16 PM
Dear jjgb kkj. U say "wen u talk about terrorism its not a religion tats propagating, its human evil behaviour".Have u heard of a religion called Islam? Have u read the Quran. "I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them". Further it abuses Pagans, Jews, Christians and all non-muslims. Most muslims aren't aware as they haven't read the Quran which is Arabic. When muslims start reading the translation in a language they understand they quit it. Read "www.islam-watch.org" a site launched by muslims.
RE:islam -religion
by firefly on May 04, 2007 04:30 PM
Why is it written in KORAN that every disbeleiver should be killed or converted.
This is clear indication of GODS opposite religion.
The upcoming of islamic religion and downfall of vedas was written in Bhavishya Puran in the year 23000BC, and it all came true. And as written, the future too will be true about the finish of the satanic religion.
Some people go to the extent of proving that things in RIGVEDA and Islam are same...but fails to nderstand that RIGVEDA was written 4000 years before ISLAM.
Mohamed a pischahcha(devil incarnate) of angelic disposition warned the kings asia that h and his hordes will vanish the ARYA dharma..and the vedas. And would spread the religion of bloodshed through warfare conversions and his followers would be called MUSALMANS as they say warfare purifies them.
For a religion that beleives warfare is the means of purification and not peace....how will they ever find peace in the world for themselves even if the whole world is islamic?
There will be shias, sunnis are not whatsoever other types will rise and warfare will continue as its their birthright by religion.
Comapring Rigveda with Islam is completely wrong as HInduism never preached violence & forced conversions of other religions.
Hinduism is SARVA DHARMA PRIYA ..that is beleive in ONE GOD and other religions too. Also Hinduism beleives that one and all are GODS own divine form and thus we should respect one and all..even a dog.
RE:[object]
by firefly on May 04, 2007 04:42 PM
Also the Hindus themselves have let the ARYA dharma and vedas down by accepting Western language as the main language.
The day we accept Sanskrit back as the main language and restore the vedanta's..Bharats glory will shine.
We dont have to go on war for this as we follow the Sanatan Dharma of SaiRam. Peace and love are the nly terms by which we can win over many hearts as Gandhi did.
But others dont be under the impression that the Santan Dharma will fall back if bruised again and again ...we have proved that to our neighbours everytime.
ARYANS were the best in humanity, virtues,warfare and spirituality.
Once we stop cow killing in INDIA, i assure INDIA will progress to the topmost level and be the sone ki chidiya again.
For years, this proposal has been let down account of which we all humans are bearing the curse of being poor and third world country.
If only we would have stuck to our cultures, we would have been the No.1 ruling power in the world and we would have people flocking from all the parts of the world to learn our culture of wining hearts by discipline and love.
This would make no sense to people who have been maddened by the west, hatred & violence.
RE:islam -religion
by anand ganesh on May 04, 2007 05:39 PM
oK FIREFLY. HInduism never preached violence & forced conversions of other religions. yOU ARE GOOD TO OTHER RELIGIONS. What about treatment to Shudras/untouchables-i.e.people of own religion?
RE:islam -religion
by Mak C on May 04, 2007 06:27 PM
Oooooo anand! you have instigated another monologue from firefly...now bear the brunt of the culture police...
RE:islam -religion
by sridhar gorantla on May 04, 2007 07:04 PM
UNDERSTAND ORIGINAL CASTE SYSTEM CLEARLY AND THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND HOW IT WAS MISUSED IN INDIAN HISTORY. HERE IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE WORLD FAMOUS BOOK "AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A YOGI" by SWAMI PARAMAHAMSA YOGANANDA. HERE IS A FREE ONLINE VERSION OF THIS BOOK:
http://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/
---------------------------------------------------------------< BR>HERE IS THE CASTE SYSTEM EXPLANATION IN ITS UNADULTERATED FORM: --------------------------------------------------------------- The origin of the caste system, formulated by the great legislator Manu, was admirable. He saw clearly that men are distinguished by natural evolution into four great classes: those capable of offering service to society through their bodily labor ( Sudras); those who serve through mentality, skill, agriculture, trade, commerce, business life in general (Vaisyas); those whose talents are administrative, executive, and protective%u2014rulers and warriors ( Kshatriyas); those of contemplative nature, spiritually inspired and inspiring (Brahmins). "Neither birth nor sacraments nor study nor ancestry can decide whether a person is twice-born (i.e., a Brahmin);" the Mahabharata declares, "character and conduct only can decide."Manu instructed society to show respect to its members insofar as they possessed wisdom, virtue, age, kinship or, lastly, wealth. Riches in Vedic India were always despised if they were hoarded or unavailable for charitable purposes. Ungenerous men of great wealth were assigned a low rank in society.
"Inclusion in one of these four castes originally depended not on a man's birth but on his natural capacities as demonstrated by the goal in life he elected to achieve," an article in East-West for January, 1935, tells us. "This goal could be (1) kama, desire, activity of the life of the senses (Sudra stage), (2) artha, gain, fulfilling but controlling the desires (Vaisya stage), (3) dharma, self-discipline, the life of responsibility and right action (Kshatriya stage), (4) moksha, liberation, the life of spirituality and religious teaching (Brahmin stage). These four castes render service to humanity by (1) body, (2) mind, (3) will power, (4) Spirit. "These four stages have their correspondence in the eternal gunas or qualities of nature, tamas, rajas, and sattva: obstruction, activity, and expansion; or, mass, energy, and intelligence. The four natural castes are marked by the gunas as (1) tamas (ignorance), (2) tamas-rajas (mixture of ignorance and activity), (3) rajas-sattva (mixture of right activity and enlightenment), (4) sattva (enlightenment). Thus has nature marked every man with his caste, by the predominance in himself of one, or the mixture of two, of the gunas. Of course every human being has all three gunas in varying proportions. The guru will be able rightly to determine a man's caste or evolutionary status.
Serious evils arose when the caste system became hardened through the centuries into a hereditary halter. Social reformers like Gandhi and the members of very numerous societies in India today are making slow but sure progress in restoring the ancient values of caste, based solely on natural qualification and not on birth. Every nation on earth has its own distinctive misery-producing karma to deal with and remove; India, too, with her versatile and invulnerable spirit, shall prove herself equal to the task of caste-reformation.
"To a certain extent, all races and nations observe in practice, if not in theory, the features of caste. Where there is great license or so-called liberty, particularly in intermarriage between extremes in the natural castes, the race dwindles away and becomes extinct. The Purana Samhita compares the offspring of such unions to barren hybrids, like the mule which is incapable of propagation of its own species. Artificial species are eventually exterminated. History offers abundant proof of numerous great races which no longer have any living representatives. The caste system of India is credited by her most profound thinkers with being the check or preventive against license which has preserved the purity of the race and brought it safely through millenniums of vicissitudes, while other races have vanished in oblivion."
RE:islam -religion
by firefly on May 04, 2007 06:14 PM
Anand,
Again im saying Shudras, Vaishyas and Brahmins were created as roles, but it is mans greed that they misued it as discrimination...
In Vedas its clearly said...even a SHUDRA can attai the highest abode of GOD that is viakunta.
And personally i hate people who beleive in discrimination of whatever sort. I only dont like the people who sort for violence as a solution to religional disputes.
To me a Shudra or even a beggar is same as you are to me. It is only conditions taht make good or bad, rich or poor. But being desolate to any man/woman who is needy is not human quality.
RE:islam -religion
by firefly on May 04, 2007 02:05 PM
I agree with you but, sorry your opinion about government jobs reserved for hindus is wrong.
How many muslim people do u want me to tell u are on top positions in politics and government?
How about the pressident itself? what about major reservations for u all guys?
Cmon..we Hindus never protested against your reservations..then again why this thing of hatred in your mind??? who puts all these things to ur minds...or is it natural?
Its not about corruption in the nation my friend. Its our corrupt minds and hatred and egos.
we all boast about religion, but we fail to understand what it teaches - Humanity, Selflessness, Honesty, Leaving Desires.
But we all do is fight. Break all rules. Force religion, Spread Hatred.
And finally we all will bear fruits for what the demons are spreading.
