It is sad to note that Religion (belief) is taking its tole on human-beings who had created it. GOD has become secondary to Religion. Nobody is spiritual and all are fighting to establish supremacy. RIGVEDA says GOD (PARAM ATHMA) is supreme and there is no second to Him. ISLAM says there is only one GOD (ALLAH)and there is no second to Him. Christianity says GOD is supreme and He is only ONE and there is no second to Him. By indepth research and analasys, any literate can understand that GOD is ONE and there are NO GODS. Religions are born out of human-beings thoughts..and different people from different parts of world at different times started worshipping the same GOD in different ways. The way we reach GOD is different but we all reach ONLY ONE. Any scholar who is very much dedicated to GOD can explain the same concept. Buddha,Mohammad Prophet,Jesus Christ, Adi Sankaracharya are to be followed in true sense but not in manipulated way.
RE:Why the hell so much of importance to Religion ???
by deep dar on May 04, 2007 10:51 AM
Read your post carefully. Islam says, "There is no God except ALLAH". While the other religions don't proclaim so. This is the root cause of all terror events.
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by Gopi nath on May 04, 2007 11:09 AM
Means...Dont believe in SATAN and DEVILS...but trust in GOD (Allah..allah means GOD in that language...and nothing else). Similar statements are also found in other religions. Lord Krishna says...Swadharma is supreme..dont follow other dharmas...you can even give-up life for the sake of swadharma... This means...don't follow EVIL and BAD which are against GOD...follow only GOD and it's advosable even to give-up life in following God.... Plz understand the spirit of preachings in Holy books...they are not meant to harm fellow human-beings..but meant for following only GOD !! GOD is called PARAM ATHMA, ALLAH, SUPREME SOUL..
RE:Why the hell so much of importance to Religion ???
by anand ganesh on May 04, 2007 12:00 PM
Gopi Nath-Swadharma here is not own religion. It is your duties which u have to perform by virtue of your position in the society. For example,a scientist should make the missile. Whether the missile should be used in war or not is for the political executive of the country to decide asa they alone have relevant information to take a decision. What the verse says is do your duty however unplesant they may be and do not do others' duties however pleasant they may be. If a cricket opener is assigned the job of going after the bowling he should do that and not that of an anchorman who isa ssigned the atsk of playing 50 overs.
RE:Why the hell so much of importance to Religion ???
by vivek balasubramanian on May 04, 2007 10:51 AM
Hey Gopi, What kind of idealist shit is that.I despice people like u man. This is like the "Hindu Muslim Bhai Bhai FARCE". Can that ever happen in the masses.I don't think so.So let's not pretend with some idealist shit you just said.Protect your OWN first and then we can worry about the rest.
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by Gopi nath on May 04, 2007 11:04 AM
Dear Vivek, It's really pity that today's modern and civilised man is being pushed back to stone-age in the name of religion. My only idea is...GOD is one and the same. Only we look at Him in different ways and name Him different ways. Then why so much of fuss on God and religion???
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by anand ganesh on May 04, 2007 12:05 PM
That is precisely the point. Why Prophet and his followers waged wars against Pagans, Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians and forcibly converted people to Islam or exiled or killed them?
why should india bridge the gulf beteween the islam and the west..it is the problem of islamic countries and so they should work for it infact india is not a member of OIC(organisation of islamic countries).India has lot of other problems which needs to be concentrated first for its economic growth so it should concentrate on those matters rather then wasting its time on such a absurd problem which has nothing to do with this country
RE:Its not India's problem
by anand shrinivasan ganesh on May 04, 2007 10:24 AM
Well said, Vinod. In fact, India has neither anything to gain by supporting US/Western Imperialism nor anything to gain by supporting Islamic or Arab Imperialism. India has suffered at the hands of all invaders whether Islamic/European.
RE:Its not India's problem
by vivek balasubramanian on May 04, 2007 10:43 AM
we most definitely have gains by having good relations with the US.I can't understand the anti US rhetoric in India.We should be sending troops to Iraq man.
RE:Its not India's problem
by anand ganesh on May 04, 2007 10:58 AM
No. This is not anti-US rhetoric.It is just that we should not take sides where we have nothing to gain. Practical get on with our business stuff.
RE:As per last wishes, Ganhiji's ashes were NOT allowed to be flown in Pakistan's Rivers - lest its rivers get polluted with Infidel's ash!
by calc on May 04, 2007 10:09 AM
Look you killed Gandhi you take care of his ashes. Why are you looking upto Pakistan to take care of his ashes ?
RE:As per last wishes, Ganhiji's ashes were NOT allowed to be flown in Pakistan's Rivers - lest its rivers get polluted with Infidel's ash!
by calc on May 04, 2007 10:25 AM
Hahaha when did I support Pakistan ? You kill Gandhi and when others complain you call them Pakistani. Why the hell did you kill such a nice man like Gandhi. He was the messenger of peace and you killed him. Shame on you.
RE:I want to know What was Gandhi's position on Kashmir and what we are today!
by tan on May 04, 2007 10:07 AM
Bhasker this shows how narrow minded you are like rest of the idiots who think about islamic terrorism. What was gujrath incident called? Why dont u call that hindu terrorism. Riots in mumbai where so many muslims were massacared . Why dont u call that hindu terrorism. Why dont u call american invasion and massacre in iraq christian or jewish terrorism. Americans bomb civilains and iraqis bomb military targets which is legitimate. If those people fighting for their rights are terrorist Then i am afraid and sorry to tell a narrow minded person like u and others that GHANDHI WAS THE BIGGEST TERRORIST.
RE:I want to know What was Gandhi's position on Kashmir and what we are today!
by hitesh sharma on May 04, 2007 10:18 AM
Tan you are a forgetting how many pundits were killed in Kashmir....
Kashmir is majority muslims so Hindus were killed and thrown out.....
But all over india Muslims are in minority and Hindus do not throw them out.... Riots in mumbai was not entirely Hindus fault.... And Gujrath ignited after Godra....Tell me what Pundits had done in Kashmir to get what the got
Also look into Christains and Hindus in Pakistan......and other muslim majority nations....why their numbers are decreasing
Do not show off you braod mindedness..... and try to project yourself as a superior mind....STUPID
Why are muslims fighting in France and other European nations.....Think.... they have problems with everyone including themself....
world worst riots reported was in karachi...100,000 were killed its was between to sect of Islam
With due respect to all why should we celebrate Oct 2 as holiday Gandhi jayanti or some thing like that. Who is he first of all.. ? In what way he is related to us... ?
Some examples 1) Today world says Indians are slaves and they donot have brains. This was our mantality which was created by Gandhi in the name of ahimsa. So many persons did not see the fruits of independence just due to him. There is nothing in this world which comes with out fight. Had fought it out we would have got independence long back. This persons and his idealogues rubbed indian people in the wrong side. And we are still facing the problems realted to independence.
2) R v not independent before we got independence. Yes we are. We are always independent. Only thing is we were ruled at gun by all these westerners. So there is no need to celebrate independence day..
3) Pakistan.. Pakistan is solely created due to the fault of Gandhi and nehru. Had we r more stern the pakistan would not have created at all.
4) Who are these present gandhi's first of all. Sonia gandhi, indira gandhi, rahul gandi or rajmohan, gopal or for the that matter.
Im saddened seeing some of the messages posted here. From people like Final Punch who are anyways a disgrace to this country.What is even more saddening is how people of india are suck ups to the world power. The Current islamisation that you people talk of (i saw some idiot writing islamic pollution )never exsisted when the US was a friend of the islamic countries. At that time these same islamic militants that you talk of were heros was heros facing the soviets.Now since the seize to be friends with the devilish US the become Islamic dogs and the biggest shame is we buy that sh** from the US People who write here have done nothing for their country anyways, you buy US food you buy their clothes, u would buy something from the US but never from India.So why not buy their culture and thoughts too. People like "Final Punch" "hypermemory" just show that instead of islamic terrorism we have american terrorism spreading in india
In 47 you chose to stay in India, rather than go to Pakistan.Now you want Hindu India to be your garaunteer? Sorry , cant..pls handle your own problems. India is not a bridge for Islam.Islam has wounded India's wellbeing.And now it asks the very society it tried to execute to bail it out!Hypocracy, thou name is Islam!
RE:Dear Muslims, pls do not PUT your burden on Hindu India.........
by Pradeep Kumar on May 04, 2007 09:53 AM
Your though process is a shame satyadev gowda. muslims in india have done much more for india than your entire family would have.I think your rogue though process has wounded India's wellbeing
RE:Dear Muslims, pls do not PUT your burden on Hindu India.........
by satyadev gowda on May 04, 2007 10:37 AM
Pradeep Kumar?You a muslim? Dude I told you guys not to beg, so you start abusing me?Will this improve your standing as a terrorist? Or a criminal?Or a liar? Pls dear muslims, you guys created your image as terrorists,criminals,liars through your own actions, now why do you want Hindu India to help you?Why? And why should we help you guys?Why?
RE:Dear Muslims, pls do not PUT your burden on Hindu India.........
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on May 04, 2007 10:02 AM
Gowda has right to speak. Most fabulous Hindu civilization of Vijaynara was destroyed completely and was looted for 9 long months by Muslims. It never happened in India before. Nowhere in the world so much death destruction was seen in a single place.
They also faced Tipu Zihadi Sultan who killed 10s of 1000s of people in Karnataka and kerala.
RE:islam vs xtianity
by timola on May 04, 2007 09:45 AM
The only thing that can stop and annihilate Islam is Communism. However paradoxical this may seem, China is another ally in the war against terror.
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by calc on May 04, 2007 09:48 AM
Well it has been a dream of many tribes and countries and religions to "annihilate Islam" but guess even the powers like Russia and America have failed to do that in even 1 country. Even the most conservative estimates tell us that Islam will become the religion followed by most number of people in the coming 15 years. So...better luck in the next formation of earth.
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by Pradeep Kumar on May 04, 2007 09:55 AM
Hey satyadev gowda why do u have so much venom in ur head. is this something your parents have thought you
RE:islam vs xtianity
by calc on May 04, 2007 09:57 AM
Well the world will still have to sell their things to muslims. More the muslims more the comsumer market of muslims. more and more people will have to take care of the aspirations of the muslims. like western countries have started exporting halal meat to other countries. this is just a beginning...
RE:islam vs xtianity
by calc on May 04, 2007 10:08 AM
So please bring back all the indians working in Dubai... mekkah was completely destroyed more that 7 times. Still you see Islam standing tall and strong.. and people like you totally obsessed and still not being able to do anything....
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by calc on May 04, 2007 10:22 AM
They were not even able to defeat hezbollah. Look their PM is being asked to resign because they lost. And jews have a fight with Arabs and arabs are only 15% of the muslim population. You dont even know what you talk about when you say muslims.
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by calc on May 04, 2007 10:23 AM
I am but you started it. You just talk bout killing killing killing...how do you expect frienship and love ?
RE:islam vs xtianity
by calc on May 04, 2007 10:30 AM
Hahaha you have been spitting venom since morning...talk about indian muslims why are you bothered about muslims here and there ... there are muslims all over the world and you cannot take care of all of them. India has to live with its muslim neigbours...its a fact ...accept it and live in peace...why use words like nuke and bla bla bla...everyone knows that a nuclear weapons in todays age are strong enuf to wipe of India and Pakistan. why discuss something that is not on the cards. Instead try to spread some common sense.
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by calc on May 04, 2007 10:20 AM
Actually a nuclear war between India and Pakistan will have some consequences like: 1) End of Pakistan 2) End of India 3) End of hinduism 4) As India is surrounded by Islamic countries... All muslims will again come and occupy India...so there will be 100% muslims...
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by ravishankar singh on May 04, 2007 10:18 AM
he friend, this not due the strenght of islam, it is due to our tolerence. our silence does not mean that you are strong enough to destroy others.
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by ravishankar singh on May 04, 2007 09:51 AM
the prediction is that 4th world war will be between islamic countires and the rest of the world and there will be end of islam.
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by calc on May 04, 2007 09:52 AM
Well I am not sure it will end Islam or not but even a war with a small country like Pakistan will surely end hinduism...hahaha.
RE:islam vs xtianity
by deep dar on May 04, 2007 11:00 AM
See, this shows your hatred for Hinduism, as such, no fruitful discussion can be expected with you. Talking of Judaism, it's clearly written in the Quran that "The people of the Book (Torah, followed by Jews) have been cursed by Allah. A gory death awaits them in Hell". You surely would know that Muhammad led many raids against the Jews of Quraysh, Mecca, and surrounding regions. He even witnessed the beheadings of the Jew males personally after conquering the Jews of Quraysh. After that, he personally distributed the Jewish females amongst himself and his followers. He took the most beautiful Jewish lady, Rayhanah, for himself. He even tried to convert her to Islam, but she didn't accept. The sorriest part of it all is (as though the war itself is right!) is that he made the Jewish ladies (including Rayhanah) witness the deaths of their fathers, husbands and sons. This is quoted in the hadiths by Ishaq, Tabari, Bukhari and Muslim. If you want to check for yourself, go to: prophetofdoom.net
Hence, think twice before you say again that Islam doesn't have the aim of wiping off Jews.
RE:islam vs xtianity
by calc on May 04, 2007 09:43 AM
Jairaj, Thanks for being a scholar in Islamic studies. Who is forcing you to convert ? Tell me his/her name. Lets see what we can do for you.
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by calc on May 04, 2007 09:49 AM
Then why are you bothered ? Relax you have enough of your books to read. Or should I give you some examples from manu smiriti or other books for you to think on ?
