Yes - Buddhadeb Bhattacharya should resign out of DISGUST. He should simply give up. The people of Bengal do not deserve to better their lot. Let them wallow in the misery that they are accustomed to while states like Karnataka and Tamil Nadu forge ahead, and enterprising Bengalis continue their mass exodus from the state. These pseudo intellectuals should take a crash course in basic economics before opening their big mouths. They are no better than Mamata and her goons who are out to get their 15 minutes of fame. As someone pointed out in an earlier forum....would they have raised such a stink if 14 policemen had died instead? Finally, to all the anguished NRIs most of whom have done zilch for Bengal, I'd like to ask them what would have happened if an unruly mob of 5000 armed with crude bombs and pipeguns charged the famed NYPD (New York Police Dept)or the LAPD. I suppose the "men in blue" would just turn the other cheek. HYPOCRITES.
RE:Yes - the CM should resign
by Sanchari Ghosh on Mar 20, 2007 06:24 AM
Hi I am really unaware of the real facts but I did learn that police opened the fire. But i just want to clarify one thing since ur message appears everywhere and verges so much on economics.Economics deals with growth and efficiency and at th same time on fairness or equity. That's why while the CM's effort at industrialization is laudable, I guess he should have simultaneously thought about how this growth is to be redistributed.Maybe, the people understand best how they r goin to be exploited ( lack of equity) and this led to the protest. the police could have thrown teargas, could have fired in the air.I ask you, if u had been a member of this squad, what would you have done? If u had really fired on someone instead of giving a warning, I am afraid, you should best utilize ur time not illuminating us on economics but taking a lesson or two on human ethics and morality.
RE:Yes - the CM should resign
by Uttamkumar on Mar 20, 2007 12:25 AM
Buddh..Bhattacharya and CPM govt. is worst than any evil power. So, anybody is welcome to replace them. Otherwise there will many more "Singur", "Nandigram"
RE:CPI must go
by on Mar 19, 2007 11:46 PM
Same BJP is advocating against industrialization in Bengal. It is not the party, people of bengal should realize what is good for them.
RE:RE:CPI must go
by hiral joshi on Mar 20, 2007 12:07 AM
They are not advocating against industrialisation but against forceful land grabbing and this type of killing by govt and CPM partyworkers.
CPI MUST GO If bengal wants to be a developed society...if they want to be the future bihar then they can continue with CPI(state) and congress(central)
RE:RE:TRASH THE INTELLECTUALS ...
by Ashutosh Kole on Mar 19, 2007 10:51 PM
Absolutely true. The one person who should be arrested for all this is Mamata. She is a lady with no sense. She does not know what she says or does. Fighting in street is one thing but opposing the government just because she is in opposition is another. She should be thrown out of Bengal, for that matter, India. That lady can go to any extent to regain her status, which I doubt she would ever get back as people of Bengal have completely understood her, those who have not, will understand her soon. People should decide if they want development or street fights. Its right that development should not take place at the cost of people's lives. But if people oppose for development, listening to mamata, and become violent, what should be done to keep the law and order inn place? Development or Street fight, its for you to decide.
RE:RE:RE:TRASH THE INTELLECTUALS ...
by abby Das on Mar 23, 2007 04:15 PM
Wah Guru,a person(Budhdhadeb) who lied left and rigfght should be allowed to set free,who ordered the police to fire and kill 14 people,who ordered police to fire and kill Tuhin Samonto of katoa ,who constantly lied about the number of willing farmers in Singur giving land should be treated as the saviour of bengal but alady who never lied should be thrown out.You statement proves that your Chip inside your brain has been purchased by Budhdha Babu and you forgot all logics and statistics.Please have some figures and statistics before you comment.
RE:RE:RE:TRASH THE INTELLECTUALS ...
by Dipanjan Ray on Mar 20, 2007 02:06 AM
The bottomline is, get rid off Mamata and surely bengal would prosper without any more Nandigram or Singur. For all those people who don't live in bengal but still keep passingon comments, my advice would be to come and stay here for a while and you will underatand what Mamata s to bengal and what Buddhadeb is to bengal.
RE:RE:RE:RE:TRASH THE INTELLECTUALS ...
by abby Das on Mar 31, 2007 04:58 PM
Dipanjan Yes,people should understand what BUdhdha Babu is for Bengal.What a lier like him,a killer like him can be for the people of est Bengal.
RE:RE:RE:RE:TRASH THE INTELLECTUALS ...
by Ritwik on Mar 20, 2007 03:28 AM
Guys I have one more question. Who are these intelluctuals. A handfull of singers, playwriters, film directors ..... Why they should dictate Bengal's future. Why not guys from IITan or guys from IIM's. Atleast there should be some common people with some knowledge of Indian economy.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:TRASH THE INTELLECTUALS ...
by abby Das on Mar 21, 2007 05:34 PM
Ritwik for your information,the ISI people,the proffesors all were on the roads agitating against this Nandigram issue and demanding Budhdha Bhattacharya's resignation(You could have see that in al the channels).Do you want to say that these people are not from common man status and they also do not have any idea about Indian Economy?
I seriously doubt, that intellectuals living in Bengal do understand the reality or do have any sense of patriotism for Bengal. Who can understand the need of Bengal better than begalies like me, who have left bengal for a living. Bengal, lagging so many years for industry from any other state in the country, desperately in need for Industrialization. It is proven that agriculture alone can not push the growth rate beyond 2 to 3%. To dream about a growth rate of 10% you must heavily rely on Industry. Otherwise you continue to produce poor country men generations after generations. We are glad that we got a person like Buddhadev as CM, who has a vision. That man single handedly pushed Bengal into limelight after so many years of direction less, selfish politics that ruined the state. To set up industry, you do need land. It can not be set up in the air. Now the fact is bengal has more than 90% of land as fertile land. So what is the option? What is the better effective utilization of land. Using 1000 acre as farmland may sustain few hundreds of people with just bare minimum income. Where as the same land if used for industry can bring employment to several thousands of people with reasonable income. The entire region is transformed, increasing the need for products, which then encourages further growth. Yes, we do need farmland for food sustainability. That's why we should limit the land conversion for industrialization. Implement better technologies in farm land for increase in productivity. Our agricultural productivity is one of the lowest in the world. In bengal the irony is one or the other political party is always opposing developments so that it is easy for them to exploit illiterate, poor people. Left Front used this trick very effectively for first 25 years of its rule. Now it is the turn of Mamata and her party. When Buddadev trying his best for the betterment of the state, that crazy lady (I seriously doubt whether she has a balanced brain on her shoulder) is up in arms to pull him down for no reason. That lady should be prosecuted for unpatriotic act. Her only motivation is to bank on this agenda to regain her position.
If you do care for bengal, please contribute to mass awareness that we need industry for everyone's benefit. If India is aiming for a super power 20 years from now, industry is the way. Let's go for it.
RE:So called
by on Mar 20, 2007 01:10 AM
Gentleman/Lady:
I understand your logic to develop Bengal. After independence, Bengal was, I think, second most industrial state in India. But, could you tell me how Bengal lost that distinction? Do you remember, how buses and trams were burnt because the fare went up by 1 paisa? Do you remember how the strikes were called for any excuse? Which party is responsible for that? Regarding Tata project, why WBG does not want to show what they agree with them? In a democratic society, citizens are entitled to know how their Government is spending money? And if Mamata starts hunger strike or takes some other measures to find that out, is there anything wrong? So please whatever you say, do not blame Mamata only. I had to leave Bengal because there were no engineering jobs in late sixties and early seventies. I care for Bengal like anybody & I do care for industrialization but there must be some balance. If Tatas could build a city like Jamshedpur without Govt. help where nothing existed, they can go to another location in Bengal to build a car factory. It does not have to be fertile land. Mittal has already said they will go to different location in Bengal to build a steel factory.
Buddhababu is trying to industrialize Bengal in the Chinese Communist way by forcibly grabbing land. But Bengal is a part of democratic India. You can not use a coomunist method in a democratic society. So Buddha must change his way. Thanks.
RE:RE:So called
by on Mar 20, 2007 01:46 AM
I hope you understand the environment and infrastructure required to set up industry. Calcutta being the only major trading base, all investor would naturally be interested for a location in proximity of Calcutta. I am sure you are aware that TATA was shown other lands but they preferred this one. You might also know that they accepted Buddha's offer after he persuaded them to relocate the factory from Uttarkhand. Why you think he would set up the factory in remote part of Purulia when they have many incentives from other states. Mind if TATA or others move out of bengal, it's a loss of bengal and not for those industrial houses. You referred of the past of Communism. Yes they were the culprits as I originally mentioned. But when some one is rising above the narrow politics and working hard for the betterment of the state, should we protest? Just by saying thet you guys were no good in the past and so you can't do any good now. This is ridiculous. That's exactly what Mamata is doing. Trying to derail the whole initiative for cheap politics. Mamata is playing old left front politics. Pleople of bengal should be taught about their welfare. They must understand what is good and what not for them. They are so restricted in their whole life and generations that they don't even know what is a good life. You compared with China and right fully so. Everybody now compares India with China. Do you think Chiana's development have gone without any trouble for its people? Does external world came to know about it? They only see the glory and outcome. And now China is a Super Power. And Chinese from all walks of life are definitely happier than ever before. They care less about their democracy and enjoy their wealth. For all development their is pain and general public goes through rough transitions. As long as these transitions are for their good in long run, every one should support it. We who are outside can realize this much better than anybody else. So don't distract/confuse those poor people. Guide them to prosperity through industrialization.
RE:RE:RE:So called
by tarun basu on Mar 20, 2007 02:52 AM
Dear Mr. Bose & Mr. Roy:
We all want industry. But there must be some balance. You just can not grab the land by decree in a democratic society, specially grabbing the land from poor farmers who do not have any other way of earning a living. Yes, I have read that Tatas were shown different locations and they wanted this particular area.
But, how come a democratically elected government does not want to show the incentives given to the Tatas? Have you seen this kind of things in USA where state governments give incentives to the industries to locate them in their state? What is the problem to be transparent? Do not just blame Mamata for trying to find the deal between CPM and Tatas.
The last thing, I would like to say that I have a problem with the communist way of doing things. Remember Stalin & Co. had tried to industrialize USSR by forcibly removing people from one place to another. They were successful for a while at the cost of millions of people's lives. Now you know the ecological disaster that has happened in USSR. China is doing the same thing and similarly created a underclass of former peasants in cities who do not have anything and are at the mercy of state machinery to live at a certain place. If you want the same condition at Bengal, then it is your choice. I can not prevent anyone from following the Chinese way of developing Bengal, but I would never do that. I am quite familiar the way CPM does business in Bengal as I have been heavily involved in converting BE College to an INI. So, I would not convinced by the argument of industrialization of Bengal at any cost. There is right way and wrong way and they are following wrong way. Thank.
RE:RE:RE:So called
by abby Das on Mar 20, 2007 01:37 PM
Sir
You said that the Tatas were given better incentives by the other states.Did the WB Govt or the central Govt show in concrete document what incentives did the other states offered the Tatas and what we offered?Everything was said in the media in qualitative terms and nothing in quantitative terms.If Industrialisation is for the people,then the people also have the right to know every details of the deals that take place between the industrialists and the Govt and not just listen to "Secret Trades" done.Can anyone here give me the details what the other states offered the tatas which we had to overcome?Saying a lie is easy.BUt to plant that lie in the common people's mind is tougher.
RE:RE:So called
by Dipanjan Ray on Mar 20, 2007 02:21 AM
Dear Mr.basu, you are right on your facs that it was the Left Govt only who introduced the Bandh based politics in Bengal. However the current scenario is different and Bengal is finding hopes in the visions of our present CM. But all good things don't come easily and the evil force to reckon with is Mamata led Trinamool. Now they are following the same bandh based politics and burning of buses and trams to show their (baseless) agitation.
One thing is right that for Nandigram, the implementation was not done in a very correct way, but there should absolutely be no qustion regarding the industrialization policies taken by the Left Govt. We need industres badly and it is also clear that Trinamool has neither vision nor any objective to build a better Bengal.
RE:RE:RE:So called
by Pankaj Bose on Mar 20, 2007 03:54 AM
Mr. Basu,
Don't look at the party colors. Go by the issues and decisions. I always hate Left Front. But I like Buddhadev and few others in his cabinet. They are showing some ray of hope. Now coming back to your doubt, even if WBG gave TATA some incentive, what's wrong in that? Even in this country (USA) there are always competition between states when it comes to set up an industry. If WBG doesn't give them, they will go to some other state. What you think will be the correct way to set up industry? As I already guessed, Nandigram has fueled protests all around WB. No where you will get land for industry. WBG already canceled their SEZ plans. There will be no Salim and others. Looks like if we decide to go back to WB, we have to do farming to survive. God help us!!
RE:RE:RE:RE:So called
by tarun basu on Mar 20, 2007 08:33 AM
Mr. Bose:
There is nothing wrong in giving incentives. But, every citizen has the right to know what are the incentives? As I mentioned before, what is the problem being transparent? Why are they playing hide and seek about incentives. Do you believe those are Tata's proprietary information? I can not believe, any body living in USA will object to Government being transparent. A lot of problems would have been solved if they tried to acquire the land in a straight forward way. Can you give a rational explanation why WBG gave higher price for land if the owners agreed to sell compared to the land when owners were not willing to sell? With taxpayers money, you can not do that.
Besides, Tata themselves have said that they do not need 1000 acres of land for car factory. They need six/seven hundred acres for car factory and rest for ancilliary industries. They could set up ancilliary industry some where else. You know quite well that lot of ancilliary parts for the car factories being set up in USA come from different locations of the country. What is wrong with that? Also, Tata can directly purchase land from the farmers.
We are trying to convert BEC to an INI. Buddhababu & Co. do not want to do that for fear of loosing control of the college. They are appointing third rate people as faculties because of party connection. How do they ask the farmers to relinquish control of their land which is their livelihood. when they would not do so? Looks like great Buddhababu has double standard. Remember, couple of days back, Buddha and Benoy Konar in a public rally at Brigade parade ground threatened farmers at Nandigram and sent 4000 armed police and communist goons to teach them a lessen. Knowing fully well the conditions there, he provoked the farmers and now says he is sorry for the loss of lives. You may like him but communists can never be trusted. About going back to WB, you know the saying "you can never go back home". Good luck if you plan to settle back in WB. Thanks.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:So called
by Pankaj Bose on Mar 21, 2007 04:04 AM
Mr. Basu,
Where did you get those information that people who agreed to give land are getting higher price than those do don't. These all are propaganda.
Do you think if Govt publishes that deals with TATA, Mamata will believe that? Just today they have published that written declaration that no land will be acquired in Nandigram and Mamata is saying she doesn't believe it. Also what you expect to be wrong in these deals? They might be getting the land at some what discounted price. That you need in WB to invite industry. Orissa is sitting out there with land price next to nothing. So are many other states. States like Assam, Orissa is also making this a selling point that they don't have "Mamata".
Rather than condemning Buddha, help these poor people understand what is good for them. Industry in their part of the state would drastically change their lives. They are not giving away lands for free. In most cases they are getting lot more than what is a reasonable price for the land. They can put that money in very effective use like many did at singur. Also younger generation and next generation can hope for a better source of income rather than toiling on the field for ever. I hope I don't have to stress the need for Industrialization to somebody living in USA. Yes what should have been done was to bring those people into confidence. But Mamata and her party wouldn't let that happen. They saw this as opportunity to regain her importance. If you can read between lines, you can exactly see her motivation. Now you decide!!
RE:RE:So called
by Sanchari Ghosh on Mar 20, 2007 06:28 AM
You are so right. There's a fashion now among Benagalis to charge Mamata and laud Buddha no matter how irrational that may be.
RE:RE:RE:So called
by Uttamkumar on Mar 20, 2007 09:53 AM
Ha Ha, Buddha is trying to develop Bengal. A big Joke.
TATA and SALIM put lot of money to the CPM-party fund. Where from each cadres getting paid every month?
I have been following his lectures long time. He is a LIAR of the first rank as compare to what he does and what happened.
They promished Computers and High-tech will not be allowed in bengal, that would cut jobs. After 22 years they (Buddha...) became mad on Computers and High-tech. He was in the WB cabinet last 32 years. Why is he suddenly become mad and started land acquisition by the process which they opposed all times. Why he (and CPM) did not try to recover unused land where factories closed decades? Now saying there is some technical difficulties. People wants to know those technical difficulties which are not clear to them. Why all the time they are not transparent? Why they are just avoiding in the name of "trade secrete". FOr any short of industrial set up why they are not calling TENDER instead appeasing a particular company.
Most important thing is, by acquiring lands CPM wants to loot huge through money real estate than industrialization of greater need. They want to make sure cadres' pay rolls so that they can another 50-100 years without people thoughts and need.
CPM was not for common people, is not and will not be for common people.
RE:RE:RE:RE:So called
by Pankaj Bose on Mar 21, 2007 12:32 AM
When he was in the cabinet, he must have compulsion. Jyoti Basu was dictating policies. He didn't have much freedom. When he became the CM, he has more liberty to implement his visions. What wrong in that?
Surely blame CPM, I do always but not current CM. He is acting purely on the vision of what needed to transform Bengal.
RE:
by abby Das on Mar 23, 2007 04:41 PM
Mr Pankaj Basu
You said "Everything is Propaganda".Well,this statement of "two different prices for land" has been put forward to court in case of Singur and the court has asked explanations from the Govt in this regard.The Govt could not deny this in front of the court.Actually it is people like you who believe in propaganda.
The details of the "Secret Trade" was demanded by the common people and not Mmata alone.The industry set up is for the common people and nmot only for Mamata.The common man have every right to know what they are giving and what they are getting.None of the state Govt dared to deprive the common man(Assam,Orissa etc) and make "Secret Trade" with the industrialists.As the Govt there do not lie,there is no need for any mamata to come up and fight for the common man.
It is good that you support industrialisation.But bl;indly supporting false statements is a crime.
The CM is not the culprit in this case but Mamta Banerjee who has been playing the role of instigator of viloence. CPM is trying to change the direction of bengal by giving industries to help the people. But selfish people like Mamta want the power to rule the state. Nothing honest about her approach.
RE:Culprit???
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Mar 19, 2007 09:03 PM
How Buddha is trying to change WB? By killing people? CPIM's own supporters whose only crime was they didn't want want to surrender their fertile land to whims of Buddha?
Not a single person supported CPIM/Buddha on this. That shows how CPIM became sidelined at state and national level.
Just resignation will not do - it is an easy escape route designed by our politicians to save cruel politicials. CM should be tried in court and should be hanged as was done to Saddam hussain. This is an act of genocide that requires serious punishments.
Buddha proved he is a Stalinist and there is no new CPIM, or new ideas to build a new West Bengal. CPIM shamelessly use violence to establish CPI(M)%u2019s political control. It harks back to a time when the priorities and interests of the party were made to prevail over the demands of governance. It means the blurring of the distinction between the party and the administration. These have been the hallmarks of the CPI(M)%u2019s rule over West Bengal, especially in the countryside.
The media and the intellectuals have to step up the campaign and see that Buddha resigns, let anyone else replace him from the left front or let bengal go in for a fresh round of elections.Buddha resignation will send across the message that No CM of any state can get away by grabbing land and later killing the right full land owners in cold blood. History will never pardon india if we let a person with Stalins, Hitlers, Saddams, Dweyer mindset to continue as a CM .In fact he should be tried for murder arrested immediately and put behind bars for getting poor helpless women raped, young children orphaned, young men maimed. His atrocities sounds very similar to what Hitler did against the Jews.
RE:indian hitler
by BANGALI on Mar 19, 2007 06:46 PM
this was something like george bush staemeent on iraq from white house..have ever visted these remote places in bengal..or even bengal?
RE:indian hitler
by ritwick sanyal on Mar 19, 2007 06:47 PM
donot romanticise the whole thing so much..its baseless to compare Hitler and Buddhadev..do condemn the killing but dont create a farce out of it..buddhadev was not trying to set up a SEZ for his benefit...he had the state's development in mind,.
bengal CM is a man generosity..media highlights the miserablr situation in such a way that CM is the only calprit..govt fails to make villagers understand about the need of industrialization because opposion party is creating rumour among people.. unfortunately, not only the fool,ignorant farmers get trapped, but also the orthodox mentality people...allof them are thinking that TATA ,SELIM are vampires...... after 30 years of left front government , the task is rather very difficult to make people understand about the need for ndustrialization.. opposition party like TMC they take advantage of people's mentality..... they are true opposition who oppose govt at every step either good or bad.. their motive is to get some advantage from the situation...55 police died in chattisgarh ,are not the police human being?? don't they have families ?? or politicians think that police have to die??? villagers of nandigram murdered a policeman.. oppositon party says nothing.because villagers have right to kill a police who oppose their action.. many polices get hurt at that time where are the political leaders.. everyone is saying that CM is responsible for the pathetic situtation.. all the villages in midnapore political riot is a natural ..is CM responsible for the villagers, who themselves create civil war like situation for past 10 years.. some leaders including both CPM and TMC are using the ignorant villagers for their power.the nandigram mishap is a issue which whole country get known .. it is not a accidental phenomenon , but a consequence of decade long political riot... when developement is a factor, if govt considers all factor, industrializtion is never possible because land does not come from sky..people have to understand.it is the duty of all irrespective of politics to make them aware about the industrialization. it is known well an ducated,enlightened son of farmer never involve himself in ploughing.they will blame the govt if they are baker, they will protest if govt wantts to create job for them??what should govt do.......
RE:useless question by rediff !!!CM should not resign
by ritwick sanyal on Mar 19, 2007 06:43 PM
absoultely right..why does the opposition and intellects of bengal think that a farmer's son would want to become a farmer..if they are so concerned about the benefits of the farmers then they shuld have come to table and fought more for compensation for the farmers instead of taking to street which benefited none
