RE:What Example CPIM is setting?
by Uttamkumar on Mar 20, 2007 08:06 AM
He is culprit too. They set Banerjee of their own made a fake report on Godhra incident just before Bihar state election. shame shame.... to these RED politics
RE:RE:RE:CPIM cadres went with police, killed people and then collected used cartridges.
by Uttamkumar on Mar 20, 2007 08:52 AM
Thanks. I hope so. I believe if MAMATA does not do any mistake like she did before (Most editors of the newspapers pointed that many times) and WB congress not give candidate at every constituency, then MAKE it a point that NANDIPGRAM is CPM's last bell in West Bengal. But I always scare of Pranab Mukherjee (who is even more dangerous than CPM). Just because of him now opposition MLA in Bengal is just 42 instead of 142. Now see what is his role at the center, power hunger. In Nandigram both hindus and muslims killed. But Congress is still playing communal politics. Mamata has to leave NDA to get their support. why? Nandigram is for everybody.
Although I do not have any political affiliation but I stronly belive any EVIL power is much much much better than CPM regim anywhere in the world.
RE:RE:RE:RE:CPIM cadres went with police, killed people and then collected used cartridges.
by abby Das on Mar 26, 2007 05:22 PM
Uttamkumar What you said about Pranam Mukherjee is 500% correct.
RE:RE:RE:RE:CPIM cadres went with police, killed people and then collected used cartridges.
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Mar 20, 2007 09:02 AM
Dividing Indian polics along Communal-Secular line is a marxist construct. Not only that has made them restricted to just two states, it has a major reason for decline of Congress.
Look at all over India. Except Lalu, everybody has worked with BJP in some form or other.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CPIM cadres went with police, killed people and then collected used cartridges.
by Uttamkumar on Mar 20, 2007 09:15 AM
CPM too supported BJP and made common gathering and vote campagn when VP (kota raja) came to power. That time CPM told they can ally with anybody (even criminal) against Congress. What a double standard and hypocrite to the society and nation too.
RE:Now CBI conclusively proves that CMP cadres went with police and killed women, school going kids, minorities/
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Mar 20, 2007 07:40 AM
hi all, we have been bz about the nandigram death and police atrocities as reported in the media are we ever thinking why police was sent there ? was there any proper administration institution active as it is currently in your locality ? what do we expect when there is no administration in our locality ? yes ... someone has to restore it ? did the media broadcast that there has been no administration in nandigram ? i think yes. we are saying that police open fired. is anybody saying that police also got something in return in the forms of brickbats, pipeguns, sharp instruments used for harvesting the land ? are not we ignoring that the people over there were armed with all these things to counter the police ? why did they took up the arms as well the law and order in their own hands ? we are talking about hitler and stalin ? are not we going to far in making these comments ? is ther anyone talking against industrialisation ? i guess nobody is talking about it. so how can an indistry grow without any land. we are talking about farmers losing their land and hence their families have no option for any income ? but they are also assured of jobs in singur. whereas no such advancements for land aquisition and job assurance has occurred in nandigram till now. just a proposal has been upheld. the opposition were not prepared to counter the govt movements in singur but now they have prepared themselves to counter the govt in nandigram . the farmers have been utilised by using their emotions for thei farmland for some political gains as the opposition had no other political issue to fight for. they had become politically bankrupt and were desparately searching for an issue. is it not the fact that mamta bannerjee was offerring dankuni lands to tatas in exchange of singur and now when dankuni land has been offered to dlf she is opposing to it. any state cannot grow solely based on agri but they have to build their foundation on agri and then build industries for accelaration of the growth. tha govt has reopened some stalled industrial institutions and trying to develop some. the villagers are getting their payments in return to their farmlands. jami bachao udyog committe may have taken up the cause that every farmer gets the fair and good deal based on the wealth of the farmland. if there is no industrila growth how can we offer jobs to the mass that is getting education. we cannot let them starve in unemployment. lots to think about. do not just zero in on nandigram.
RE:nandigram and the discussion
by hiral joshi on Mar 20, 2007 06:16 AM
So you mean to say if farmers are utilized by opposition to gain political milage, ruling party police and ruling party workers should kill them to restore law and order. Can you throw some more light on those who are arrested believed to have a political affiliation to ruling political party? Media person were also beaten brutally, what for? Restoring law and order? Everyone knows how states grow, see the growth in Gujarat and Maharashtra or southern states. Why for 30 years industries were blackmailed and harrassed and now suddenly farmers are blackmailed and harrassed?
RE:RE:nandigram and the discussion
by devdatto on Mar 20, 2007 12:43 PM
police is always directed by the administration if the administration is held by the ruling party then all over the world the police is directed by the ruling party ... none can ignore this ... but they should not directed by party cadres .. this is also true u are talking about stalling industrial growth for the past 30 years and now you are talking about harrassing farmers gujarat is not a fertile state like bengal and neither is bengal such a large state like maharashtra all the southern states have unfertile lands for offerring to the industry and they are far backward in agri compared to west bengal for a state like bengal which has been heavily dependent on agri for the past 20 yrs it is quite obvious that farmlands have to be sacrificed for the industrial growth as the landscape is mostly farmland still total land in singur and nandigram does not heavily effect the agri growth of west bengal as the state can sustain it with its agri background now comes the question of farmers. do u think they are not paid a handsome amount or should be given proper value based on the wealth and actual price of their land ? instead of educating them about the real consequences of the growth of industry one cannot utilise them for their own political mileage. they are not so educated to understand these things. the emotional game is the cause and bloodbath was the effect. i wanted to stress on this aspect. if someone becomes unruly how is order restored. reading the reports it is clearly understood that women and children were braught in the forefront so that even if any massacre happens it is going to a greater mileage in political terms. what do u think in this matter ? Tata has also aquired land in maharashtra .... the people did no behave like this as the opposition was not mindless and ignorant about industrialisation in that state. Am i r8. Media should not support CPIM but it should also try to bring forward the actual truth instead of blindly opposing CPIM and remaining silent about nandigram being without law and order and administration for the past 2 months
RE:RE:RE:nandigram and the discussion
by abby Das on Mar 20, 2007 01:27 PM
You are talking about law and order.Till last year everything was perfect at nandigram.What made the law and order break down? secondly you said police was attacked.CBI found no police had bullet injuries,none had splinter injuries. Thridly police under any circumstances can fire above the waist.How did the villagers got shot in the chest?was it intentional?Who gave this order of shooting on the chest?
RE:RE:RE:RE:nandigram and the discussion
by Sameek on Mar 20, 2007 09:14 PM
aare pagla, CBI has not made its report public till now. The orders were given by a SP and a Magistrate...
Why they were forcing police to get into their village? any answer? one answer ..to save their land...but the administration had already declared that no SEZ in nandigram then why ???
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:nandigram and the discussion
by abby Das on Mar 21, 2007 05:19 PM
Sameek The SP and Magistrate gave the order?Have the Govt decleared that officially?Was the police miniter aware of this order?was the order specifically to shoot people at their chest?
POlice was not forced to enter the village.IN fact villagers did not want police to enter the village by cutting the roads.The police entered just to escort the CPM caders to enter the village.Though the CBI enquiry is yet to be finished but they have alreday arrested 10 CPM Caders.
Who decleared there would be no SEZ(OFFICIALY)in Nandigram?Budhdha just made a statement.No written notification from Govt was given earlier.In fact contradicting Budhdha,Laxman Seth always said land would be taken at nandigram only.Binoy Kongar said if people of Nandigram doesn't give land then there life would be "Hell".
and i did check the voice of Siddikulla.It was far far better than that of Mr Binoy Kongar.
RE:stay the course, honorable mr. cm buddhadev ji
by abby Das on Mar 20, 2007 02:20 PM
yes,please our CM,do not resign.If you resign,who would be taking the resposnsibility of doing "Secret Trade" with the indutrialists and pass down the amount to people like us?Who would take the responsibility of shooting people who gets to know the truth and start opposing your fauds.These intellectuals have never seen riffles and rivolvers.They don't know how to shoot.They don't know how money can buy people.They do not have any Nirupom Sen to give false statements against Maruti,they don't have any Ratan Tatas with them to give allegations against their competitors without documents.They only have silly sentiments and have their concious.So Mr Budhdha,please do not try to convert yourself to Gautam Budhdha and resign.Please continue using your chair and keep saying all the lies.
RE:stay the course, honorable mr. cm buddhadev ji
by hiral joshi on Mar 20, 2007 06:27 AM
These Bengali intellectuals have tormented India now and then. Karats, Yechuris, Arundhatis are doing this since life long but when they prescribed own medicine to Communists they are crying about bitter taste. Communists have unleashed goons at home to win elections and unleashed so called intellectuals to do PR elsewhere.
We are eagerly waiting to the charge sheet filed against Buddha Bhttacharya, Prakash Karat and Sitaram Yechuri. These are the main hypocrite of Nandigram massacre (more than 250 people murdered).
RE:RE:Charge Sheet
by hiral joshi on Mar 20, 2007 06:17 AM
Yes I think real death toll is way more than reported. Most of the local news papers have reported it.
RE:RE:RE:Charge Sheet
by Harihar Gangadhar Bharat on Mar 20, 2007 02:28 AM
this kind of knowledgeable people are full in westbangal and mamata feeds on their support.
mamta should be given exile from india, that can bring some good to wb.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Charge Sheet
by abby Das on Mar 20, 2007 02:24 PM
well,yes,thats a good solution for Budhdha Deb.For then there would be no one to oppose his "Secret Trades" to be done with the industrialists.
RE:RE:RE:Charge Sheet
by Nayantara Singh on Mar 20, 2007 02:14 AM
Mr Uttamkumar Please sharpen your own intellect first since you obviously dont know the difference between Industry and a Brothel. I recommend the Oxford Dictionary as a handy reference. It's because of irrational and illogical people like you that Bengal is still in the dark ages.
RE:RE:RE:Charge Sheet
by on Mar 20, 2007 02:01 AM
So if u don't understand the difference between an Industry and a Pros center, then I guess you have done justice to your comment. You are those culprits who want to exploit poor people by forcing them to live poor for ever. Don't be so selfish. Show these poor guys that there are better ways to live than toiling (without any technology)on the farm field - that too on others, just to feed themselves - barely..
RE:RE:RE:RE:Charge Sheet
by Uttamkumar on Mar 20, 2007 04:36 AM
Ritwik,
First of all you mind your own language if your mother give you a true education.
2nd. Mamata is enemy of her own. I have agreed with many editorials about her. But I have heard, she is honest. But I do not have any personal affiliation with her or her party.
3rd. About development, industrialization and many other matters, I put my opinion which many of RED-friends agree. But they are ashamed what Buddha-danob is trying to do and did in Singur and Nandigram. 4th. In west bengal industry should be land quality and environment oriented. Some Biotech related companies are most appreciated. 5th. It should not be my doubt that you are not that kind of Bangladeshi whose family never love bangladesh, so left and donot love West Bengal/India, so look for opportunity. BIGGEST OPPORTUNIST. 6th. What do you mean by illegal.
RE:RE:Charge Sheet
by Dipanjan Ray on Mar 20, 2007 01:49 AM
Where did you get this funniest funny statistics of more than 250 casualties? Are you also counting mosquitos, caterpillars and al other bugs that got "brutally murdered" on the spot? Please clarify, we all eagerly want to know this.
BTW - the CM has repeatedly said that no land will be acquired in Nandigram against the people's wishes....Neither was any official notice ever sent for land acquisition. The police went in only to restore law and order in the no-man's-land that Nandigram had become....not to seize anyone's property. The villagers had ample warning. So why did they resist? Perhaps the "intellectuals" and others in this forum know. Read the facts...before expressing an opinion.
RE:BTW
by abby Das on Mar 20, 2007 05:32 PM
The CM SAID.Did he ever bother to make an official move to make the people of nandigram believe that "No land will be taken"?and one notice from the District level was obviously sent identifying the areas which would be taken.I think you have forgoten that issue.
You said police went to restore law and order.Well,from when onwards police starts to enter villages with automatic riffles to restore law and order?The police also had ampple time before hand to stop the law and order system deteriorating.Why din't they do it?why did the Govvt allow the law and order system to break?was it intentional?To restore law and order or maybe for self defence,police can fire at the ultimate stage bu under no circumstances they can fire above the waist.Why did they do that?was it necessory to restore law and order?The CBI arrested 10 caders of CPM.Why did the police alow them to enter the area and do hooliganism for 2 months?Where were the police force when law and order was being disrupted?or maybe they beloneged to the ruling party so they were allowed to break the law and order.
BTW,it is better no to comment when you do not have any sound logic.
RE:BTW
by hiral joshi on Mar 20, 2007 06:21 AM
If land was not suppose to be acquired why police went there? Was there any unreported law and order problem? Police went with full preparation of firing and ruling party workers to participated in hunting sports.
I seriously doubt, that intellectuals living in Bengal do understand the reality or do have any sense of patriotism for Bengal. Who can understand the need of Bengal better than begalies like me, who have left bengal for a living. Bengal, lagging so many years for industry from any other state in the country, desperately in need for Industrialization. It is proven that agriculture alone can not push the growth rate beyond 2 to 3%. To dream about a growth rate of 10% you must heavily rely on Industry. Otherwise you continue to produce poor country men generations after generations. We are glad that we got a person like Buddhadev as CM, who has a vision. That man single handedly pushed Bengal into limelight after so many years of direction less, selfish politics that ruined the state. To set up industry, you do need land. It can not be set up in the air. Now the fact is bengal has more than 90% of land as fertile land. So what is the option? What is the better effective utilization of land. Using 1000 acre as farmland may sustain few hundreds of people with just bare minimum income. Where as the same land if used for industry can bring employment to several thousands of people with reasonable income. The entire region is transformed, increasing the need for products, which then encourages further growth. Yes, we do need farmland for food sustainability. That's why we should limit the land conversion for industrialization. Implement better technologies in farm land for increase in productivity. Our agricultural productivity is one of the lowest in the world. In bengal the irony is one or the other political party is always opposing developments so that it is easy for them to exploit illiterate, poor people. Left Front used this trick very effectively for first 25 years of its rule. Now it is the turn of Mamata and her party. When Buddadev trying his best for the betterment of the state, that crazy lady (I seriously doubt whether she has a balanced brain on her shoulder) is up in arms to pull him down for no reason. That lady should be prosecuted for unpatriotic act. Her only motivation is to bank on this agenda to regain her position.
If you do care for bengal, please contribute to mass awareness that we need industry for everyone's benefit. If India is aiming for a super power 20 years from now, industry is the way. Let's go for it.
Yes - Buddhadeb Bhattacharya should resign out of DISGUST. He should simply give up. The people of Bengal do not deserve to better their lot. Let them wallow in the misery that they are accustomed to while states like Karnataka and Tamil Nadu forge ahead, and enterprising Bengalis continue their mass exodus from the state. These pseudo intellectuals should take a crash course in basic economics before opening their big mouths. They are no better than Mamata and her goons who are out to get their 15 minutes of fame. As someone pointed out in an earlier forum....would they have raised such a stink if 14 policemen had died instead? Finally, to all the anguished NRIs most of whom have done zilch for Bengal, I'd like to ask them what would have happened if an unruly mob of 5000 armed with crude bombs and pipeguns charged the famed NYPD (New York Police Dept)or the LAPD. I suppose the "men in blue" would just turn the other cheek. HYPOCRITES.
RE:Yes - Buddhadeb Bhattacharya should resign
by Dipanjan Ray on Mar 20, 2007 02:00 AM
I agree with you 200%. Everybody starts crying and making issues when some common men get killed by police, but no body ever tries to find out under what circumstances do the police open fire. Being a Bengali, I want to ask a very basic question to all the intellectuals of Bengal - Does being a policeman take away someone's fundamental rights to defend himself, when the opposition is about to kill him? What would these intellectuals do if a gang of mobs attack them? I belive at that point they surely wouldn't have thought of resigning from positions or returning awards, but most pragmatically would have thought of saving ownself by counter attack or even by killing (read murdering) the attacker.
RE:RE:Yes - Buddhadeb Bhattacharya should resign
by hiral joshi on Mar 20, 2007 06:22 AM
Why are you trying to hide the fact that there was firing by professional killers other than police. Would you like to wait for CBI investigation before defending police and govt.?
RE:RE:Yes - Buddhadeb Bhattacharya should resign
by abby Das on Mar 21, 2007 05:22 PM
You want to say the police men were attacked?Well,then why not even a single police men have bullet injuries,none have splinter injuries,None have chopper injuries?How can you justify the term "Police being attacked"?
Yes - Buddhadeb Bhattacharya should resign out of DISGUST. He should simply give up. The people of Bengal do not deserve to better their lot. Let them wallow in the misery that they are accustomed to while states like Karnataka and Tamil Nadu forge ahead, and enterprising Bengalis continue their mass exodus from the state. These pseudo intellectuals should take a crash course in basic economics before opening their big mouths. They are no better than Mamata and her goons who are out to get their 15 minutes of fame. As someone pointed out in an earlier forum....would they have raised such a stink if 14 policemen had died instead? Finally, to all the anguished NRIs most of whom have done zilch for Bengal, I'd like to ask them what would have happened if an unruly mob of 5000 armed with crude bombs and pipeguns charged the famed NYPD (New York Police Dept)or the LAPD. I suppose the "men in blue" would just turn the other cheek. HYPOCRITES.
RE:Yes - the CM should resign
by Sanchari Ghosh on Mar 20, 2007 06:24 AM
Hi I am really unaware of the real facts but I did learn that police opened the fire. But i just want to clarify one thing since ur message appears everywhere and verges so much on economics.Economics deals with growth and efficiency and at th same time on fairness or equity. That's why while the CM's effort at industrialization is laudable, I guess he should have simultaneously thought about how this growth is to be redistributed.Maybe, the people understand best how they r goin to be exploited ( lack of equity) and this led to the protest. the police could have thrown teargas, could have fired in the air.I ask you, if u had been a member of this squad, what would you have done? If u had really fired on someone instead of giving a warning, I am afraid, you should best utilize ur time not illuminating us on economics but taking a lesson or two on human ethics and morality.
RE:Yes - the CM should resign
by Uttamkumar on Mar 20, 2007 12:25 AM
Buddh..Bhattacharya and CPM govt. is worst than any evil power. So, anybody is welcome to replace them. Otherwise there will many more "Singur", "Nandigram"
