Witnesses being threatened to retract in court by powerful personalities is not new. Lavakare argues more like a lawyer than as journalist. Justice A.S. Anand is, if anything, known to be conservative jurist, so his condemnation of Best Bakery verdict must be taken seriously. The important issue is not the rule against double jeoparody, but miscarriage of justice. Justice should not only be done, but seen to be done. I think Mr. Lavakare should read about how the miscarriage of justice against Capt. Dreyfus was reversed in France at the beginning of the 20th century after nearly a decade's struggle. There is no doubt that Nazi atmosphere prevailed in Gujerat after Godhra outrage and the state government abdicated its basic duty of protecting innocent citizens. In the United States too, some (though a very few) outrages committed against Blacks during Jim Crow era have been undone after decades of struggle. Indian judiciary must retrieve its good name by undoing the miscarriage of justice in Best Bakery cae.
Who is lyiing? Zaheera or Lavkare? This not much important. Important is that in Gujrat there has been Criminal accidents either that was train carnage or riots. Who is responsable to prevent these tragedies and who is responsible to catch and punish criminals. I dont think that it is me or you. It is only govt. of state is responsible to prevent people of state from tragedies and to catch and punish criminals. What I am observing that every body is blindfolded.
Just wonderful stuff, Mr Arvind.Quite well searched article indeed.Rediff deserves credit for exposing the ugly side of the story which the secular, blind folded Indian media has carefull censored, for their vested interests.How much this fake witness has been paid by the anti-hindu,anti-indian interests deserve to be investigated by investigative agencies. Indian media are quick to crucify hindus at the slighest pretext! if a minority man is killed in a traffic accident or family feud, that beacomes a genocide in the hands of national and international media! When lakhs of hindus and sikhs have been ethnically cleansed in Paksitan and Kashmir and Bangla Desh, that news get no place in the newspapers or national or international media!Modi is accused a criminal,colluding with security agencies when people react naturally to an abominable burning of 60 poor pilgrims in a train as part of jehadi extremism.But when thousands of hindus and sikhs have been killed and driven out by religious jehadi terrorists in kashmir, not a single paper in India had the courage or common sense to accuse the chief minister or chief ministers of J&K for the terrible real genocide& ethnic cleansing!!
RE:Blindfolded Media!
by sameer on Sep 13, 2003 03:41 AM
Thank you for demonstrating a great example of the 'us' and 'they' mentality which is consuming the whole world with hatred. So, for you Arvind said is all justified because the victims where part of 'them' and of course, 'they' deserved what 'they' got. This interestingly, is the same mentality of the RSS/VHP/BJP as well as the Talibans and Osamas of the world. The world can get only better if we all start looking at things from a humanitarian point of view and push for punishing those guilty, no matter it is Kashmir, Godhra, 9/11 or Best Bakery. Hope you will join in prayers to get all the guilty punished irrespective of those guilty belonging to 'us' or 'them'. In the mean time, let us not punish the victims because they made the grave mistake of not telling the truth under threat from those who are guilty in the first place...
RE:Blindfolded Media!
by Kaushik Das on Sep 14, 2003 02:47 PM
Well done sameer. the point is now you ahve joined them. thanks for letting "us" know your priorities. It will be better, though, if you try to know of "their" priorities before writing in.
RE:Reply to Kaushik
by Bill J Kidd on Sep 15, 2003 10:37 PM
Perhaps you would be kind engough to explain how Sameer has joined "Them" or better you can explain in your words what "their" priorities are ?
Lavkare, did you get a call from the Hindu terrorists or the Sangh lately? Well, lemme ask you, leave alone getting partially burnt, have you ever willingly held just one of your fingers for a minute on a candle flame? Try it sometime Lavkare. You will soon realise what it partially feels like to be burnt alive. Modi has brought the most vile shame to not only Indians but to those all over the world. Best of luck for a Bajrang Dal/RSS ticket. And contest from Ayodhya. You are the pits.
RE:Lavkare
by anmol on Sep 12, 2003 07:31 PM
GB -Come to terms with reality
Certain facts to be presented i.e very latest things which have happened, an Israeli PM arrives - demonstrations by the Secularists, with the Minorities in Question, the tribe which u belong to.
Who were the people who were involved in the blast in Mumbai recently and in march 1993
6 dec, 1992, happened there were riots in Mumbai, was quelled within few days.
1st or 2nd week of January, Radhabhai chawl happened wherein few hindus were burnt alive by your so called peace loving minority.
These sort of thing can only happen in India
What happened next was a hindu backlash and you know what happens if you push somebody to the wall who are in a majority and when they come back on these irritating minorities, the best example is what happened after godhra in gujarat, the same happened in Mumbai.
Then what these minorities do with support from neighbouring country , create destruction using bombs etc. If everybody who gets suppress should react in the same way then why not our own people from indian origin in Fiji or Pandits in Kashmir.
It is the way in which one is groomed reflects in the way one behaves. GB better go to Pakistan
RE:Lavkare
by Agg on Sep 12, 2003 11:19 PM
GB, man you seem to be really annoyed that the plan by NHRC is getting exposed due to their own witness vomiting the cooked-up "story". Are you on the side of peace loving people or on the side of terrorist who did the Godhra, and caused the riots in which both hindus and muslims died. I just need to remind you buddy one small thing - if there is no Godhra, then no Gujarat...
RE:Reply to Anmol and Agg
by Bill J Kidd on Sep 15, 2003 10:45 PM
Anmol, you admit that what happened to the those few unfortunate people involved in your incidents are wrong.So instead of punishing those who did it, how can you do justice by burning a few others who are totally unrelated to what happened there ? Kar sevaks are burnt in Godhra, and to do justice would you rather catch those who are responsible or would you go and burn some innocents in Ahammedabad ? "Minorities supporting Pakistan" is another lie you use to burn muslims in India. Well, in many cases where people were arrested aiding ISI by selling government documents to ISI agents were not muslims. So would you call their community also as "Paki supporters" and start burning them ? Anmol, you are asking GB to goto Pakistan, well you know what you are a bane to humanity itself. Agg, if Godhra happened you don't go around burning people. Thats the way of barbarians. As civilized people do, find the guilty and punish them. So would you rather be on Civilized side or the barbaric one ?
RE:Great Article-
by Vijay Kumar on Sep 15, 2003 10:38 AM | Hide message
Shame on Arvind! Put yourself in that brave woman's shoes and you may not survive even for a day. She is running from pillar to post asking for justice for the loved ones that she lost. What if she were your wife, sister or mother???
So the Supreme court... the highest court in India has condemned the incident...and that court has got it wrong according to you.(wont be surprised if this guy is a recruit of the sangh parivar)
Arvind, you know, I know, and we all indians know that the events in Gujrat were perpetuated by the state with the aim of maniplulating the voting numbers by polarising the happless public.
10yrs ago... did we have any of the present religious controversies that are plaguing our nation which are simply a creation of maverick politicians and sangh parivar and gleefully supported by our erstwhile neighbors...eager to see this largely peaceful and increasingly prosperous multi lingual, multi cultural, multi religious nation of ours disintegrate into chaos.
And articles such as yours provide just the right stimulus for the so called caretakers and religious bigots to up their distructive ante.
Shame on ya!
RE:Great Article
by GB on Sep 13, 2003 01:25 PM
Anmol, yours language reflects Tagodia's. The minorities *have* been butchered in India. And one can take only a certain amount of bashing. Thence retaliation. Thats what goons from most Hindu organisations have been doing in the name of Ram. Have you ever, repeat ever, hear any of these goons mention social progress? Naah. Their one-point agenda is to divide the country on religion. Tell me, will Ram do the Mackerana if a temple is built? Doubt it. Live in peace friend. Thats what we all need.
Whatever Arvind said in the article is true regarding Hindu-hating english media and NHRC. why not they bother about Killings in Marad, Kerala and J&K? Zaheera contradicted her own statements. Why not all other victims except her are threatened? those are the facts Arvind was trying to put forward.
RE:That is the fact
by Sameer on Sep 13, 2003 03:19 AM
It is amazing to see how many people have lost human values and support Mr. Lavkare's points. In response to the issue you raised, there are hundreds of people arrested and prosecuted for the Marad and Godhra incidents. Those guilty for those incidents should definitely be punished. The issue here is that Arvind is justifying the verdict of not-guilty for those responsible for killing several human beings, because either the victims do not belong to his community or probably because he is with the killers. I think any sane human being will support the punishment of guilty, be it Marad, Godhra, Best Bakery or Kashmir. I think the world will become a better place only if we all stop thinking of 'us' and 'they' and start seeing these incidents from a humanitarian perspective.
RE:That is the fact
by GB on Sep 13, 2003 12:09 PM
Mr AD, Let me tell you that I dont have any "distinct" cousins. Secondly, the train by burnt from the "inside" probably by some inflammable material. Granted it was very sad and unfortunate. But thats no reason to openly use state machinery to massacre innocents. And hey, you must have just read about the SC verdict. I rest my case.
RE:That is the fact
by Kiran B on Sep 13, 2003 10:48 PM
It is amazing to see how many people have lost human values and blindfolded by not understanding Mr. Lavkare's points. There are some people arrested and prosecuted for the Marad or Godhra incidents. I agree. but no compensation for the victims or the coverage you see for Gujarat riots. How many people were sentensed till now for riots from the time of independence? we need a special laws to deal with all those riots not just Gujarat. Zaheera contradicted her statements and none of the other victims in that case never contradicted their statements. she is the only one who went to press and blaming the democratically elected government and asking for trial outside of Gujarat for the reasons best known to psedo secularists and anti-Hindu groups. did NHRC ever bothered about other riots? that is the point he is trying to put forward. I am not against for that matter any huma being is against your statement that Those guilty for those incidents should definitely be punished. we all want justice to everybody. not just for Gujarat riot victims. if not Godhra, the riots after that should not have happened at all my dear friend.
RE:That is the fact
by sameer on Sep 16, 2003 01:42 AM
Glad to see that you agreed that all the guilty should be punished, be it Godhra, Marad or post-Godhra and I agree with your thoughts on having special courts and systems in place to curb the riots. But I still think there is a flaw in the argument that the riots would not have happened if Godhra did not happen. This is the kind of logic that has made the world the way it is now. This is the exact same logic used by those behind 9/11 and the logic used by those involved with recent bomb blasts in Mumbai. Those spreading hatred, irrespective of the ideology they seem to support, justifying what they do by putting the blame on others. Killing or looting an innocent person because someone of 'their' kind has done it an innocent person of 'our' is not humanly justifiable. Hope you can understand.
