The songs from this album is not very catchy they take time to grow on you. This is typical A.R.Rahman number which are like slow poison and slowly makes a listener to get attracted towards the songs.
Re: Those who say that this album is not impressive.........
by indian on Apr 28, 2010 12:12 PM
Its not a special magic or spell with ARR music, if we repeatedly hear some boring/non-boring stuff for long time, that will vibrate in us, making us feel there is 'something' in that. But with any of the ARR numbers (taking record of past 5 years works), I didn't get the good-feel even after hearing 4-5 times. We need to be very careful with slow poisons :)
Those who are true fans of Rahman will understand and will like this music others will definitely not like this. They only like those catchy numbers from Pritam. But the fact is Pritam's music inspite of being catchy they are not evergreen. But in case of A.R.Rahman's composition remember his masterpiece 'TAAL' where everyone criticized this album in the beginning but soon after the film got released it became one of his best albums of all times. So others be patient till the movie Raavan gets released and for the Rahman fans they can enjoy listening to the songs from Raavan as they all know Rahman's music will take time to grow on you. My Rating for this album is 5/5.
Re: Only for Rahman fans
by indian on Apr 28, 2010 12:14 PM
@Andy, since you haven't mentioned that non-Rahman fans can't reply to this thread, I would say, this album don't even deserve a rating of 1. Pure wastage of money and time.
I dont think I will be able to listen to music again. Little loud and scary. not at all looking fwd to watch this movie..looks scary..abhishek & ash both looks to have done overacting. As it is life is full of complications who wants another stressful 3 hrs.
Re: Not impressive
by indian on Apr 28, 2010 12:21 PM
@moron, agreed.
Mani Rathnam has got the false impression that whatever he creates will be accepted by mass media (or alleast looked up with curiosity). This movie will prove it wrong. With the movie stills coming in different forums and sites, this movie gives me the impression of a child scary movie. This won't survive, for sure.
just check the two images on top, I was eagely checking which 'bhava' she is presenting with her mouth wide open and hands twisted east-west.
First&foremost,start to love music no matter who scores it. if its good then it will remain forever.v all know rahmans music takes time to grow.he is not that kind of composer who goes by any trend.he composes what the movie needs.likewise raavan is such a movie which needs a score like this. his variety differs with the kind of director he is working. so its not better to compare anyone with him. as someone wrote here that jai ho was mediocre, then how it fetched oscars? a feat that no one has attained in india. praise his guts to perform @oscars, to repesent india in such a bigger stage.start from roja his music has been different.till this day he has been trying differnt genre of music & not sticking to regular music. so don't put on ur views before watching the movie. watch it, then u'll realise how the songs materialise along the flow of movie.i'm sure raavan will rock just like its music.Bye
Has 3 Very good numbers that catches on instantly. Another two that can catch up with couple of listening.
Certainly better than anything I've heard in past 4 months from Hindi Filmdom. But, this isn't a classic like Delhi-6, where all numbers were fantastic and deserved a 5/5.
Oh god!, this is one horrible soundtrack from ARR, the worst is always blue n this one follows very close to it. Just cant believe is this the kind of songs that ARR is giving, its worse than the worst songs that's always being given by pritams and SELs and visjal shekars and salim sulaimans... ARR has sttoped to such low levels ... songs which cannot touch a comman man is trash
Re: Very very mediocre songs
by arnab bhattacharya on Apr 27, 2010 04:48 PM
"Cannot touch common man is a trash".. then all the great film makers all over the globe are trash.. Then Himesh reshmayyiya (or whatver) should get Grammy's award...man WTF :x
Re: Very very mediocre songs
by Indian Public on Apr 27, 2010 05:38 PM
haha, d music has just released 2 days back n here r some junk claiming 'Songs which cannot touch a common man is a trash'. I m sure U now nothing f**k abt music n commenting coz U r a free junk having no other work 2 do :).
Re: Very very mediocre songs
by harkol on Apr 27, 2010 07:44 PM
Ravi, I am sure you are one Nadeem-Shravan fan who misses that killer a lot.
Not for you the experimentation and multi-layered music of ARR.
;-)
Ravan is a very good album but not one of ARR's best works. And Blue too falls in to the same category. The truly bad album by ARR in recent times was Yuvraj.
Re: Re: Very very mediocre songs
by indian on Apr 28, 2010 12:25 PM
@harkol, anywone with some sophisticated sound editing software, and imported keyboard and instruments can create ' multi-layered music'. There is no grammer or rules to be followed in this crap music.
Comparing ARR's worthless stuff with other legends is really cruel.
"Infact if you see the ending of Yuva,Guru or Bombay he commercialised the climax in an otherwise realistic script."
--I totally agree with that observation. And that I think is Mani's fatal flaw. He has high pretentions of art but ultimately gives in to crude commercialism. He simply cannot merge the two.
That's is the difference between him and the other three important directors you have mentioned -- Bharadwaj, Kashyap and Dibakar. These guys do not try to be both. They stick to the basic theme of the movie.
for example, a highly artistic movie-maker, Vishal Bharadwaj made a mad-caper like Kaminey -- in which he had no pretensions of high-brow intellectualism. He showed that you can make an out and out entertainer without insulting people's intelligence. And he is the same guy who made something like a Maqbool, which was technically and aesthetically brilliant without for a moment letting go.
I hae grown up on Mani Ratnam movies. Yet, except for Mouna Ragam and Iruvar, he has never succeeded in finishing his movies with the same intensity as he started.
Take most of hits -- Roja, Bombay, Nayakan, Anjali etc etc. He takes the most convenient path, even though it is also the most juvenile.
Re: @Arnab Bhattacharya
by arnab bhattacharya on Apr 27, 2010 03:16 PM
@Harish Menon--> thanks for the analysis you have shown above. You have agreed to some of my points anf few you haven't .. but overall your observation is also great specially what you wrote about Kaminey "..you can make an out and out entertainer without insulting people's intelligence"..that movie rocked.. @Opinionated Man--> I am also not again commercial movies but then you cant be pretentious and try to mix two in one which was my point.. Coming to your liking Guru's climax that is your point of view which is completely personal and i respect that.. I remember during the last 4 n 1/2 mins speech the whole theatre was clapping and i was probably one of the few who felt like what is going on.. but then Guru being a hit prooved janta enjoyed the movie as a whole.. Personally i liked the ending of Dil Se even though it didnt work for everyone :)
Re: Re: @Arnab Bhattacharya
by Opinionated Man on Apr 27, 2010 04:18 PM
Kaminey is a really wonderful film. Alas, very few people in my friend circle agree with me. I loved the dialogues, the screenplay, acting....wonderful....all the characters were so wonderfully written, hats off to Gulzar protege, Vishal. Gulzar is a very proud mentor.
As I said, I knew that the GURU speech was over the top, but since I have a soft corner for the Bacchhan family, the overanimated speech with "30 seconds Profit line" brought a smile to my face.
having said, that, I agree that even Guru was a fell good ending, but it can be justified, as it is close to reality, unlike Yuva.
Re: @Arnab Bhattacharya
by Subienay Ganesh on Apr 27, 2010 04:31 PM
Menon, you are still around are you, going on and on with your boring gibberish. What's your trip man, about this Rahman/Ratnam bashing ?? Envious are you ? So who, accroding to your lordship, is the best director/composer combo ? You are trying to sound intelligent but are are not making sense. Do you know that both Mouna Raagam and Iruvar DID NOT make money for the producer/distributor, irrespective that they might be Mani's best works ? So he has not taken a convenient path afterwards, he has taken a smarter path. You have said it yourself " most of his hits...." and end up saying they are juevenile !! Maybe you dont realise it but Mani is a repsponsible filmaker and tries to ensure his distributors make money, and tries very hard to balance ( or many compromise) the elements. Vishal Bharadwaj is a kiddo on the block. Lets wait and watch if he is able to sustain 25 yesrs in the business ! And the rest, Kashyap, Dibakar etc ar obviosuly infants. If not anythinhg else, Mani should be singularly credited for improving the audio-visual quality of indan motion pictures, nothing less.
Re: Re: @Arnab Bhattacharya
by Opinionated Man on Apr 27, 2010 04:45 PM
Dude, no man can singularly credited for improving the audio-visual quality. There are many great directors, with great music sense, right from Satyajit Ray, to Tapan Sinha, to mani ratnam to Vishal Bharadwaj.
Re: Re: @Arnab Bhattacharya
by Opinionated Man on Apr 27, 2010 04:48 PM
I guess you have totally misinterpretted Mr Menon's comments.
He never demeaned the man, he just said, that he has compromised his story telling and in the process transformed some excellent films int he making to good films.
Re: Re: @Arnab Bhattacharya
by Subienay Ganesh on Apr 27, 2010 05:50 PM
Probably there are even filmakers with better audio-visual sense than Mani. I didnt mean that. What I meant was during his time ( early 80's) the look, texture and feel of his shot compositions combined with his excusitely filmed song and dance routines ( Mouna Raagam, Gitanjali, Agni N, Nayakan, Anjali) etc were way way ahead of any Indian filmaker at that point in time. Ofcourse, a lot of credit should go to his technical team, including PC Sreeram ( DOP), lenin-Vijayan ( editing), Sundaram ( choreography), Thotta Tharani ( art direction). Its only in the last 10 years that others have caught up with him. Infact he was often accused earlier of being too "technique" driven rather than content driven.Strangely all the movies mentioned above dont feature ARR and had Ilayaraaja doing the score. Though I love ARR, its extremely difficult to say that the Mani-ARR combi is better than the Mani-IR combo. I am sure many, who have been Mani fans from his early days, would agree. This is should be viewed from the perspective of the time and year these movies were made, of course. They were vastly ahead of their times, no doubt. There is no doubt that mani, like any creative artiste, may be past his prime now, but well, you can never write him off. I am excited about Raavan as it seems to have tremendous scope for interplay between the leads ( abhi & ash this time) which is actually Mani's forte.
Re: @Arnab Bhattacharya
by Opinionated Man on Apr 27, 2010 02:05 PM
I cannot agree more with you. Especially with Yuva.
But, being commercial in thinking is not wrong.
Even Vishal gave into the commercial aspects of 6-pack abs.
I don't like the endings of Bombay or Yuva, but Guru was quite realistic in the end.
That is indeedd the true face of India.
As far as being comemrcial is concerned, mani does think of the mass acceptability factor as well.
That is why his Pankaj Kapur's character in Roja or Abhishek's character in Guru and Yuva, or grandparents in Bombay, were grey( with more tones of white than black)....
Re: Re: Re: @Arnab Bhattacharya
by Opinionated Man on Apr 27, 2010 02:20 PM
I understand that fully well, but my point is that he likes to tread the "FEEL GOOD" path with the ending these days.
If you don't watch the last 15 minutes of the filsm like yuva, anjali, roja, bombay, the filsm are really good.
Personally, i like the ending of Guru.
I understand the dramatics and over the top speech from Gurkant Desai is really OVER THE TOP......but somehow, I liked it( being a Deewar, Shakti, Trishul fan)....
Re: Re: Re: Re: @Arnab Bhattacharya
by Harish Menon on Apr 27, 2010 03:07 PM
Haan yes... that's the point... Glad you took it well, unlike many who took to barbs and insults yesterday...
delhi 6 wasn't a gr8 movie but the music was superb.. hope ravan is decent.. though given ABs track record.. its tough.. n this mr. & mrs combo isn't so popular either.. rest depends on ratnam.
Re: dfsdfs
by Opinionated Man on Apr 27, 2010 02:12 PM
Delhi 6 is also a typical example of a director getting into the commercial mould and losing the plot.
The film might have bombed big time, but a little bit of modofications and the film would have been really good. I guess the success of RDB did more harm and good for Rakeysh OmPrakash Mehra....
Re: not upto tht mark
by arnab bhattacharya on Apr 27, 2010 01:58 PM
Would inlcude AMit trivedi also.. he gave fabulous music in Aamir and specially Dev D.. In Wake Up sid he composed only one song that is "Iktara".. so till now he seems to have great potential..dekhte hai aage
Re: not upto tht mark
by arnab bhattacharya on Apr 27, 2010 01:56 PM
This i agree.. even though Raavan's music i liked but it is behind Vishal Bhardwaj music
Re: not upto tht mark
by Opinionated Man on Apr 27, 2010 02:14 PM
Alongwith Vishal, I personally like Shantanu moitra also, although he also belongs to the Rajesh Roshan genre of feel good, melodious music. Even then Banwa Mann is definitely a great song.
But, one sad part is that we tend to forget the lyricists and in Rehman's hindi films as well as Vishal's films the common factor is gulzar the great.
