Miss Pavithra ... i hope u know that most of the tamilians had not watched the original.. I cant understand the thought process u applied while writing this review. Why did you mention the suspense part of the movie (kamal's role of course) and spoiled the entire party... Reviews should not act as spoil sports...hope u will consider this in future..
(by a fan who didnt watch the original and got the suspense spoiled by your REVIEW)
Re: Miss Pavithra...Please read this
by Monk on Sep 20, 2009 10:03 AM
Who are you to judge what Tamilians have not seen!!! Many of my friends who are Tamilians, have seen Wednesday many times over and cannot stop talking about it. Stop talking on behalf of Tamilians and speak about yourself. If you missed Wednesday, than you missed one of the finest bollywood offering in the long time...
Re: Re: Miss Pavithra...Please read this
by BloodHound on Sep 20, 2009 12:10 PM
if your friends have seen wednesday, how can you extend it to the tamilian population. He is right ins saying that review shd act as spoil sports. There are several superb tamil movies remade into hindi. And many northie friends of mine watched the tamil version with english subs or with help from tamil friends. There are several languages in india and movies are made in several languages. So dont talk as if mssing a bollywood movie is a sin. Kamal remade this movie with the sole purpose of bringing this good movie to tamilians. If he had assumed that all tamilians would have already watched the movie why wud he remake in first place, it doesnt make commercial sense
Re: Re: Re: Re: Miss Pavithra...Please read this
by Monk on Sep 20, 2009 10:54 PM
You should read carefully before commenting irresponsibly. One, I have never assumed entire Tamilian population have seen it. Second, I never said it should not be re-made. On the contrary good cinema should be remade for larger reach. Third, my objection is not about Tamil remake or Hindi remake of Tamil. Fourth and most important of all I requested the person not to speak on entire Tamilian population. If he is ignorant about good cinema he should not expect every Tamilian is. Fifth, I never said it was a sin, its your naive imagination. All I said he missed a good movie and THATS All. Sixth and the lsat point, he has not seen movie and he thinks reviewer has given away the plot, which definitely not true. I hope you will read comment with a open mind before getting into petty North Vs South fight. I love good cinema irrespective of language. Whether you believe or not, it does not matter but read comments objectively before getting all too personal. I meant no offence to anyone. As it is this forum has become war zone between South Vs North which is ridiculous. I hope you see my point. Take care and relax. Let the movie roll.....
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Miss Pavithra...Please read this
by BloodHound on Sep 20, 2009 11:25 PM
You should have posted these points above. The derivation of these points from the sentences that you mentioned in your first message are totally not possible. One - you countered krishnendu by saying that your few tamil friends watched it. FYI - most of tamils do not watch hindi movies however good it may be. Krishnendu knows much better about the viewership of tamils that you. Second - where did I make this comment ?? I said kamal must have remade this movie only after analysing the fact that majority of the tamils havent watched hindi original. ( counters your first argument too) Third - You seem to have made impertinent interpretation of my comment. Fourth - The fact that majority( 95% ) population didnt watch this movie is logically proved by my reasoning above (reason for kamal remaking it). Fifth - 'sin' was used to as a satire against the north indian who expected every indian irrespective of their nature and nurture to watch hindi movie by default. Sixth - when you review a movie of a remake you do not keep comparig it with the original. Do it in a different newspost. Sicne majority of tamils havent watched wednesday, its wise to review it from their angle instead of just doing comparisons. I am open minded and i am happy to see that you watch movie irrespective of language.
Re: Miss Pavithra...Please read this
by Viswanathan T on Sep 20, 2009 01:48 AM
This is not the suspense part, it is shown at the beginning of the movie itself
Re: Re: Miss Pavithra...Please read this
by Monk on Sep 21, 2009 12:02 AM
Are you implying Tamilians do not like good movies? And what makes you and Krishnendu so better judge of Tamilians? Just because you are from TN you do not represent them. You represent a miniscule percent of Tamilians who are against good Hindi cinema. Do you have any statistics to prove how many percent saw Wednesday? If Tamilians do no see Hindi movies why does it get released in TN in the first place? Plus why is pirated Hindi movies dvd so easily available? So your argument is faulty. I do agree percentage of Tamilian seeing Hindi cinema will be very less as compared to seeing Tamil movies but it certainly is not that low especially in Urban centers. It is very natural to compare remakes with original and there is nothing wrong about it. Case in point "Wanted" has been compared too. Even "Aamir" was compared. BTW its a good remake and if you have not seen I would kindly suggest you to see it. Its definitely worth a watch. Comparing definitely helps, especially minorities like me, who would love to see the remake, which has excellent stars like Mohanlal and Kamal Hassan, only if it has shaped as good as original or better. Its fun to watch how different superstars go about the same thing. Your assumption that every North Indian is out to get South Indian is wrong. Yes there are idiots but there are idiots on both sides. And honestly they have pea size brains and they are not worth commenting on. One question though, why are significant percent of TN so againstnHindi?
Re: Re: Re: Miss Pavithra...Please read this
by BloodHound on Sep 21, 2009 10:17 AM
Why would a producer would even go for a remake( a decently expensive one) if he feels that a substantial portion of population has already watched the original. It obviously doesnt make commercial sense. Neither you nor I have the statistics for showing what portion of the tamil population has watched the original. About your question regd hindi movies releasing in TN - hindi movies run only in chennai and some movies go to coimbatore, madurai etc and its mostly watched by the north indians living there( that doesnt mean not a single tamil watches). And unlike hindi market which is totally dependent on urban centers like mumbai, delhi, tamil industry is watched by all sections of the state. nearly 20% of theatres in india are located in TN (60% of theatres in india are in south), so you get a rough estimate of the size of the industry. The problem in your argumnt is that you are strking a similarity with hindi industry which is heavily urban centered. Tamils are not against hindi cinema, most of them do not know hindi and hindi movies are mostly glamour centred, glamour and substance are inversely proportional. Urban centres in TN prefer meaningful cinema and tmail industry offers it. Hindi is most of extravaganze and less of content. ( I watch hindi movies regularly and my above comment doesnt mean there are no meaningful movies in hindi, its just less in ratio)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Miss Pavithra...Please read this
by Monk on Sep 21, 2009 03:55 PM
you seem to be missing the point. All I am asking you and other person is not to speak for TN. You do represent them!!!!. I am well aware of the statistics Southern Cinema and I know TN in particular is a big churner of movies in India. But to say TN provides more meaningful cinema than Bollywood than I disagree. It probably provides the same percentage of meaningful cinema as Bollywood does. BTW Tamil movies are full of glamour and maybe in some cases even more than Bollywood. Surprising you being a Tamilian should say that it does not contain glamour. Do you want me to name a few movies which were full of glamour,style and no substance? Maybe you should get your statistics checked again.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Miss Pavithra...Please read this
by Monk on Sep 21, 2009 03:55 PM
you seem to be missing the point. All I am asking you and other person is not to speak for TN. You do represent them!!!!. I am well aware of the statistics Southern Cinema and I know TN in particular is a big churner of movies in India. But to say TN provides more meaningful cinema than Bollywood than I disagree. It probably provides the same percentage of meaningful cinema as Bollywood does. BTW Tamil movies are full of glamour and maybe in some cases even more than Bollywood. Surprising you being a Tamilian should say that it does not contain glamour. Do you want me to name a few movies which were full of glamour,style and no substance? Maybe you should get your statistics checked again.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Miss Pavithra...Please read this
by BloodHound on Sep 21, 2009 11:06 PM
Did you even try to read my argument - the reason why kamal wud not remake a movie if he feels that it has aleady ben watched by the majority. I can also provide a full list of bollywood movies with no sense and only glamour. Of course tamil churns out utter nonsense too. The reference bases are quite different in bollywood and tamil industry. Kaminey or Love Aaj Kal is called a meaningful movie. I have never seen a bollywood movie dealing with politics, spirituality, simple human relations. Everything is mumbai centric and revolves around some warped mumbai lifestyle which in itself is a very cinfused setup which blindly and irrationally follows some western norms. (Please do not pin point a few movies and argue that there are meaningful movies). Instead of trying through a statistical reasoning route give a bit of logical touch to it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Miss Pavithra...Please read this
by BloodHound on Sep 21, 2009 10:23 AM
regd review - giving away too many facts about the movie in the name of comparison is not warranted
Of course there are numerous idiots are over india and its bound to happen with differences. TN being against hindi - look at the fate of mumbai - they allowed north indians to come in and now their local language and culture have got screwed big time. Bangalore is going the same way and right wing activists are taking the center stage. Hindians have this very very bad habit of suppressing the local langauge and culture wherever they go. hindi states are the poorest, they go to nonhindi states for jobs and jack them in their own land. WE do not want this to happen in our state. If you want to show patriotism show it by bringing your state forward economically, culturally and socially, instead of you hindians blabbering that speaking hindi is patriotism or something similar. No offense intended. I have numerous northie friends..they all have this mindset and when i asked them came to know that majority of hindi states are like this
Miss Pavithra...i hope you might be knowing the fact that most of the tamilians have not watched the original... I cant understand why are you mentioning the suspense part (which is the crux of the movie) in the beginning itself... I guess reviews should not play spoil sports like this..totally ridiculous...
by a fan who didnt watch the original and hot the suspense spoiled by your review
Miss Pavithra ... i hope u know that most of the tamilians had not watched the original.. I cant understand the thought process u applied while writing this review. Why did you mention the suspense part of the movie (kamal's role of course) and spoiled the entire party... Reviews should not act as spoil sports...hope u will consider this in future..
(by a fan who didnt watch the original and got the suspense spoiled by your REVIEW)
Miss Pavithra ... i hope u know that most of the tamilians had not watched the original.. I cant understand the thought process u applied while writing this review. Why did you mention the suspense part of the movie (kamal's role of course) and spoiled the entire party... Reviews should not act as spoil sports...hope u will consider this in future..
(by a fan who didnt watch the original and got the suspense spoiled by your REVIEW)
