This film is going to a massive hit in Box office. I could not get reservation till now inspite of 16 shows per day in 4 theatres !!! And the response from people who saw the movie is like ten out of ten. So hats off to Hariharan and team.
If at all someone says Pazhassi Raja did not exists, its a colossal blunder.Pazhassi Raja's palace still exists in a place called Pazhassi in Kannur distirct of Kerala. So does his tomb in a small town called Sultan Battery in the Wyanad district. Its true,there was a deliberate attempt from the Bristish to keep this chapter of history burried, as they feared people all over India will start revolting against them, if Pazhassi's triumph becomes public. Pazhassi Raja with his relatively small kingdom, and a handful of soldiers had sustained a prolonged war of 13 years against the British, with his meare tactics and Gorilla war fare.
Re: Pazhassi Raja
by Chellapan on Oct 19, 2009 12:03 PM
Very true. The British succeeded in suppressing information of this revolt and the scale of it out of fear.
The opponents of this film are criticizing it not because of the veracity of the story but on certain other aspects like caste; as most of the protagonists of this film belong to a particular caste/castes.
Anto, I dont know what is ur contribution to cinema or ur knowledge about history, but I do know that u lack a substantial amount of both.
For one, Pazhassi Raja did exist, and I happen to know ppl who are related to that dynasty. Even the British have mentioned about his bravery and the fact that he was given the title Veera by them. He is a contemporary of Tippu (I hope u wont say Tippu also did not exist!).
You keep asking for logic while debating. I would like to know on what basis u keep harping that he did not exist as you seem to be the only person who thinks so.
As far as ur knowledge about cinema, I guess it is a common pattern seen among many ppl to criticize established ppl like MT, Hariharan and Mamooty which seems to make you feel great about urself. Grow up Dude !
Re: To Anto
by sanath on Oct 19, 2009 12:11 AM
FYI I would suggest you go through malabardaysDOTblogspotDOTcom whose author is a direct descendant of Thomas Harvey Baber, who was the sub-collector of Thalassery, who was instrumental in killing Pazhassi Raja.
Get ur facts right dude before talking nonsense authoritatively !
Re: Re: To Anto
by sanath on Oct 19, 2009 12:16 AM
For ppl who have not gone thru the above mentioned blog, it is by Nick Balmer, who is great great great great nephew of Thomas Harvey Baber, and is a custodian of many communications during that period, which he replicates in his blog (1794-1805).
Re: Re: Re: To Anto
by sanath on Oct 19, 2009 12:50 AM
PPl like Anto and Roshan make an effort to grab eyeballs by denying history and by badmouthing established ppl (I know personally of a person who always says that Balamuralikrishna does not know anything about classical music just so that ppl give him attention !)
Research, meet ppl, talk to them, find out sources of knowledge, do not be smugh that you know all for understand that no person knows all in one life, be humble to accept that fact, and you will know more than you do now for sure.
My humble advice - Learn to gather attention by ur knowledge rather than by the lack of it.
Re: To Anto
by anto on Oct 19, 2009 10:10 AM
Tippu's exploits are well established in Indian History...but you can't compare a fake character with that....Pazhassi's story is only a myth. Stories like this is common every where...only the name & place will be different but that doesn't mean he is an historical figure. Mr.Santh I never criticised MT Vasu...read my earlier posts..Infact he is one few people I respect in Malayalam film insustry.
Re: Re: To Anto
by sanath on Oct 19, 2009 10:28 AM
Again there u go without any basis. I have placed facts and evidence. Go thru the blog that I have mentioned where Mr. Balmer reproduces letters from that period which clearly mention about Pazhassi Raja and his exploits.
On what basis can u authoritatively say that he is a fake character ? U talk about a history which only u seem to know about !
I say again, go thru the site, read more from the net and other sources and then comment whether he is a myth or reality.
Of course, I do understand it is very difficult for a person to agree that he has been wrong !
Re: Re: Re: To Anto
by sanath on Oct 19, 2009 10:36 AM
Mr. Balmer produces letters to his ancestor Thomas Baber which mention about Cottiote Raja or the Pyche Raja who fought Tippu alongside the British, but went against them due to the taxes imposed by the British on the peasants.
Now plz dont say that Thomas Harvey Baber also did not exist, or u may have something legal coming from Mr. Balmer !
Re: Re: Re: Re: To Anto
by sanath on Oct 19, 2009 10:38 AM
He also gives a month to month (even with dates) account of those times based on the communications that he has (fortunately for this generation) protected, and which he quotes generously - in fact, he also shows us the other view abot the Raja based on what the British felt about him, despite which they still could not disagree on the fact that he was a brave warrior who stood up to them with a handful of tribals and others !
Re: Re: Re: To Anto
by anto on Oct 19, 2009 10:38 AM
Sanath read Indian history!!!..Creating a website is not big deal..Please explain me what is his place in indian history...Zeroooooo!!!..
Re: Re: Re: Re: To Anto
by Chamchelee on Nov 18, 2009 01:45 AM
Ha ha ha.. Anto.. what is your point???... u r just beating aroound the bush.. prove it... man.... why being a fool
Re: Re: Re: Re: To Anto
by sanath on Oct 19, 2009 10:42 AM
U r simply beating around the bush. I have given u facts and evidence based on ppl who were involved with the Raja during his time. U just keep on repeating the same thing - earlier it was that he is a myth, now it is - read Indian history. The Raja has not been mentioned in Indian History which is the biggest disservice done to him, and which is why this movie is the best thing to have happened.
I am daring you to say that Thomas Harvey Baber also did not exist ! If you say he didnt, I will produce further evidence that he did - and if u agree that he did, then I dont think u can comment more authoritatively than he did about the Raja's existence or his bravery !
Come on, accept either one if u feel u really have evidence on ur side - let us see what is that evidence which is stronger than what Thomas Baber has written !
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: To Anto
by anto on Oct 19, 2009 11:14 AM
At last you agreed that he is not an historical figure...For a good film it doesn't matter....What you think about the Movie?..Did you like it?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: To Anto
by sanath on Oct 19, 2009 11:20 AM
Dont sidetrack from the line of ur argument - u said Pazhassi Raja is a fake character and a myth. I have established with evidence and facts and also quoted authentic authoritative sources to prove that he did exist.
And now u tell me that I accepted he is not a historical figure, and then ask me about the film - leave the film - I am still talking about the historical figure called Pazhassi Raja who is not a myth !
Re: Re: Re: Re: To Anto
by sanath on Oct 19, 2009 10:43 AM
When u say creating a website is not a big deal, do u mean that Nick Balmer is a fake ? or that he is not a descendant of Thomas Baber ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: To Anto
by sanath on Oct 19, 2009 11:36 AM
Dont quote me out of context. You mean if a person is not mentioned in Indian History he is not a historical figure ? I think u shud chk the meaning of the word history !!!
Now I quote you "Tippu's exploits are well established in Indian History...but you can't compare a fake character with that....Pazhassi's story is only a myth."
I understand ur uneasiness about discussing this fact anymore as u seem to have realized that u were wrong. As I have mentioned before, it is very difficult for a person to agree that he has been wrong.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: To Anto
by anto on Oct 19, 2009 11:28 AM
"""The Raja has not been mentioned in Indian History which is the biggest disservice done to him, and which is why this movie is the best thing to have happened.""" Sanath What I've quoted above is your words. That's what I claimed from the beginning..So I'm stopping this here. If you want to say something about the movie we can continue...
Re: Re: To Anto
by sanath on Oct 19, 2009 10:46 AM
Velu Tampi, Paliath Achchan are also mentioned only in Kerala History and not in Indian history - so would that mean that they also did not exist and that they are also myths ?
Re: To Anto
by sanath on Oct 19, 2009 10:25 PM
Anto, I am quoting one more of ur comments - "As far as the actor is concerned he may be famous in kerala..but at national level nobody knows him."
At the national level nobody knows Mammooty ? Dude, which planet do u belong to ? Mammooty is an actor who has been awarded the National Award many times, and has also acted in a Hindi film on Ambedkar, and he was selected by a Hindi director who ignored many other known faces for the film - incidentally he won a National Award for that film also.
I really doubt whether u actually read what u type !! Pazhassi did not exist, ppl in those times wore only langottis, Mammooty is not known at the national level...what next ? Our planet is Mars and not Earth ??
Re: To Anto
by ayakrishnan Chulliyot on Oct 19, 2009 11:44 AM
If at all someone says Pazhassi Raja did not exists, its a colossal blunder !! His palace still exits in a place called Pazahassi in the Kannur didtrict of Kerala. So does his tomb in a small town called Sultan Battery in the Wyanad distict. Its true, there was a deliberate attempt from the Bristish to keep this chapter of history burried, as they feared people all over India will start revolting against them, if Pazhassi's triumph over them becomes public. Pazhassi Raja,who was a nightmare to the British, with relatively small kingdom and a handful of soldiers had sustained a prolonged war of 13 years against the British, without even being found by them.
Re: Re: To Anto
by sanath on Oct 19, 2009 11:50 AM
Yes Mr. Chulliyot, I doubt whether the ppl who are commenting about the existence of Pazhassi Raja even know what they are actually talking about.
Re: Re: Re: To Anto
by Power India on Oct 19, 2009 01:49 PM
Hello Sanath, Dont worry about people like Anto who dont have any Historical �commonsense�. If you would like to know more about Historical Pazhassi Raja, read the English book by Margaret Frenz, a German Historian, �From contact to Conquest: Transition to British rule in Malabar�. This book is based on a lot of letters written between the Pazhassi Raja(in Malayalam and now preserved in Tubingen University, Germany, taken to here by Hermann Guntert]. or At least read the book of K. K. N Kurup on Pazhassi Revolt. Dont argue with stupid people like Anto and waste time.
Re: Re: Re: Re: To Anto
by sanath on Oct 19, 2009 03:01 PM
Hi Power India, Thanx for the info, will surely go thru these books as well.
It is not about wasting time, it is a sense of disgust when ppl like anto choose to villify our leaders in a public forum whn I feel MT-Hariharan team has chosen aptly to educate the masses outside Kerala about Pazhassi Raja - and that too with comments like the Raja did not exist and that he is a myth !!!!
Re: Re: കഷ്ട്ടം
by sheron s on Oct 19, 2009 07:45 PM
what the hell is in Sagar Alias Jackey.. its a complete blunder.. the movie need a story not some slow motion scence with violent noise.. considering that Pazhassi raja is far far better... atleast malaylaee made it possible...!!
Re: Re: Just Check it!!
by anto on Oct 18, 2009 06:43 PM
Sudeep try to learn How to debate....If you want to prove what I'm saying is wrong post the counter arguements rather than emotional outbursts!!!
