Re: ending of gulaal
by Mick Patel on Mar 17, 2009 08:29 PM
Kiran was ecstatic to see the power before her very eyes (the brother on the podium) she can now grab any time. The ending, in general, also proves Ak's argument that the Rajputs, given enough time to stew will, eventually, show their true colors. Infighting, squabbling and bickering..besides, of course, the famed bravado.
Re: Re: ending of gulaal
by Sachin Mangal on Mar 18, 2009 01:05 AM
Because finally everybody recognized them (herself and his brother) as Rajputs (children of Raja).
I had totally flipped on anurag's work after seeing black friday but unfortunately he has only disappointed me since. haven't watched dev d but after the super self indulgent no smoking, gulal was a bit of a let down. it's a hackneyed over done narrative with no new elements to it. i feel anurag has started taking himself too seriously and some sort of insecurity propels him to prove his intellect in every frame. intellect can also be expressed simplistically. having a charlatan or the 'conscience man' is way too in your face.
of course there are great performance and some technical brilliance but i feel the soul of the film is missing a bit too glaringly. a narrative so emotionally charged cannot be treated only with half baked intellect.
Re: Disappointing
by Sayan Banerjee on Mar 17, 2009 11:44 AM
Its just that he still makes his cinema largely for himself and people like him, and doesn't give a shit for the soap-opera-loving birdbrains who frequent theaters. People change over time, and his way of expressing creativity has changed.
Re: Re: Disappointing
by Anirban Sengupta on Mar 17, 2009 12:18 PM
he surely has got pretentious. don't want a debate here but anurag's cinema surely lacks the honesty of his early years. and according to what u have to say...if that's a reflection of himself then it's a tad sad. and people should ideally improve over the years. his cinema now looks immensely influenced by others and hence lacking individuality
Re: Re: Re: Disappointing
by Mick Patel on Mar 17, 2009 06:09 PM
Your quote, Anirban.."and people should ideally improve over the years"..I think AK has. He started making pictures when he was on pot..now he makes them while on cocaine -:). We need more filmmakers on coke as I'm simply freaking tired of Chaas drinking variety.
Re: Re: Re: Disappointing
by ankit tripathi on Mar 17, 2009 06:04 PM
Oh is it Anirban .. Can you please exemplify this my friend ?.... Pleaseee... I find him among a few honest ones in the film industry...
i am absolutely high on anurag kashyap.dev d followed by gulaal.great camera work.in fact the death scenes have been done so differently that it actually shocks,amazes,thrills u all at the same time.the scene where rananjay singh is killed...u dont realise that he's been shot-jus like his character onscreen wouldnt have.and then when his grandad goes...really well done.the language does get to u but then u realise that thats the way ppl talk all the time. the girls are good too.jesse randhawa's character could have been xtended a bit.and mahi gill keeps up the promise of DEV D. the movie probably loses due to lack of coherent connxn between KK's dream and the overall plot.and yea the end was a bit of a low...maybe that was intended-like DEV D. anyways great work mr.kashyap keep it up...and we'd a;ways be there to watch em...
i am absolutely high on anurag kashyap.dev d followed by gulaal.great camera work.in fact the death scenes have been done so differently that it actually shocks,amazes,thrills u all at the same time.the scene where rananjay singh is killed...u dont realise that he's been shot-jus like his character onscreen wouldnt have.and then when his grandad goes...really well done.the language does get to u but then u realise that thats the way ppl talk all the time. the girls are good too.jesse randhawa's character could have been xtended a bit.and mahi gill keeps up the promise of DEV D. the movie probably loses due to lack of coherent connxn between KK's dream and the overall plot.and yea the end was a bit of a low...maybe that was intended-like DEV D. anyways great work mr.kashyap keep it up...and we'd a;ways be there to watch em...
This movie defies everything that i think a movie should be, and is, instead, a no-holds-barred view at the warped workings of Anurag's brain. I loved the view. And Deepak Dobriyal. Brilliant. These guys are real. Not characters in a movie at all. They DON'T follow a script.
Again, this guy, AK has messmerized and put us in complete awe of his ability to make films with such audacity. So far, barring the "high brow" NO SMOKING, Kashyap has yet to mess up. How I wish he had a really good thread to piece together this master piece. Just like Dev D, this picture falls a tad short of perfection because of loose ends and too much emphasis on bold dialogues--which are astounding,btw-- as opposed to smooth story telling. Had he sent the script or the final cut, for that matter, of these films to Vishal Bhardwaj, you'd have a picture delicious enough to watch over and over..like Maqbool and Omkara. As far as the cast goes, this has to be any director's ultimate wet dream :). Kay Kay, Dobriyal,Mishra, Srivastava and lately, the sumptuous, Ms. Gill?. Absoulutely Fantastic! I wonder why you don't see the likes of mishra, dobriyal and kk at the filmfare. Bollywood will have a serious credibility issue (perhaps, they do already) if they don't start honoring these modern masters soon....
Fantastic movie. I watched it first day and AK didn't disappoint.Though the second half couldn't match upto the first,overall it was a gripping film with AK's hallmark masterful charachterization, detailing, casting and fantastic performances across the board.Every single character, with the exception of Jesse Randhawa's which seems to have been lost in editing, is finely etched and all actors deliver knockout performances.The first half shunts along at such pace that it leaves the viewer salivating in anticipation at the interval.However, the second half fails to retain the grip as the director struggles to tie all the threads he had started in the first.Still it remains one of the better hindi film (not bollywood mind you) one has seen for a long time.Kay Kay is brilliant as ever, but what takes the cake is the delightful cameo by Abhimanyu Singh as Ransa, Deepak Dobriyal as Bhati (his act at the Paan shop is to be seen to be believed) and above all Piyush Mishra as the complex Prithvi Bana.The music and more importantly the lyrics by Piyush Mishra is for the gods with 'Aarambh hai Prachand' standing out.All the songs drip with Piyush's poetry as u find the music taking a backseat to his words.My personal favourite's are Aarambh, Sheher, Duniya, Raat ke musafir and Yaara Maula.These songs leave u ridiculing the regular 'bollywood' fare as facile and filmy.These are hindi songs guys and it is a Hindi film.AK has followed his brilliant Dev D with another classic.
1. imaginary Rajputana, totally ripped off from naxalite movement, even my rajasthani friends dont know anything about Rajputana. 2. first half totally copied from Haasil, second half mostly copied from "hazaaro khwaishen aisi" 3. Bihari accent through out the movie on a rajasthani background.
Storyline problems:::
1. neither aspect of the movie reached any height, revolution, college politics, love everything was in background, not sure what was in focus. begins with revolution, politics in middle and ends with obsessed love. 2. Ransa was the only watchable part but he was killed within 35 minutes. 3. Everyone kept talking fearlessly in front of a gun, Ransa, Kaykay, Kiran everybody. 4. why anybody like kay kay will choose a bojo like Dilip for the elections. 5. Dilip's character was annoyingly dumb. 6. I've heard of ragging, but never heard that students nuded a professor and nothing happened. 7. who were those two "champus" living in KayKay's house, and what was their need or significance. 8. Songs were longer than necessary and irritating. 9. Maahi Gill's role was created just to inject some cheap glamor and it had nothing to do with the story.
Re: bad bad movie
by ankit tripathi on Mar 17, 2009 06:08 PM
My dear friend do you have any understanding of movies ? If a movie is based on college politics it need not be a copy of Haasil .... You need a BRAINWASH :)
Re: Re: bad bad movie
by Streetsmart on Mar 18, 2009 12:49 AM
"My dear friend do you have any understanding of movies ?"
Is this the best you can do replying to ones such descriptive and well explained understanding of a movie?? Dude I doubt you could understand a normal conversation much less some abstract stuff left to interpretation, so u better not come around til u r 70, if u rn't already (cuz @ 70 u can even be excused for peeing ur pants).
"If a movie is based on college politics it need not be a copy of Haasil"
Son gulal is not based on college politics. Ask ur blonde sis who got it better than you.
Re: Re: Re: bad bad movie
by ankit tripathi on Apr 25, 2009 12:50 AM
Oh you are really smart but absolutely fit to be on a street trust me ... !! Just by using an analogy of "ur blonde sis" and 70 what not doesn't prove anything actually. Now listen you self proclaimed C#UT... I didn't wasnt to write all this but you compelled me to.
The concept of this movie is not college politics. It's way beyond it. The soul lies in the theory of Nihilism ... Existential Nihilism as I should say (Watch it carefully again. The clue lies in the word that is rubbed of that board when that teacher enters) Ohhh !! But I forgot that you suffer from acute Myopia my friend. Go and read the philosophy of Fredrich Nietzsche and Jean Paul Sartre. You'll get more meaning out of this movie. The character of Dilip was extremely well placed. He was portrayed exactly as it had to be. And in a country where students are killed during a ragging, women raped, and murders happen for a small amount of Rs 500 then Is a young teacher being ragged to nudity a surprise to you.Songs had the crux of the movie for the brainless men like you so that at least "something will seep through" but unfortunately I think either you have a lead skull or the songs were really bad.The latter seems to be untrue so former has to be true. And yes dear I am just 25 and rocking.. A mathematician, guitarist and IITian to quote so I think I have nothing more to prove to a person who fancies and shags around watching himself in the mirror & screaming aloud "Streetsmart -- Streetsmart" _|_
Re: bad bad movie
by Sayan Banerjee on Mar 17, 2009 11:47 AM
Well, there is only one problem in the movie - its meant for sane, open-minded people, that is precisely why you missed most of it totally. Piece of advice, next time you go to watch a movie, dont go in pretending you are a juvenile version of Raja Sen, rather enjoy the movie with an open mind without being overly cynical. There are brains at work here which are far superior from your own pint-sized grey matter.
