some noisy and mean mentality people are showing here their so called Music knowledge..they r forgetting that ARR has learnt under ustad Ghulam Mustafa Khan and IR..and he can read writ notes very well based on Raga.. His style and way is unique..and it has been told by Asha ji who resides near my home and i have good neighbourly relation with Mangeshkar Family
Re: ARR is genius
by BloodHound on Jan 13, 2009 04:47 PM
I am pretty sure had ARR not sored music for bollywood he too would have gone unnoticed like IR.
Re: Re: ARR is genius
by Guru on Jan 13, 2009 05:13 PM
ARR became popular all over India with the release of Roja in all languages. It was much later that he did a straight bollywood music. The music of Roja, kadhalan, Bombay were popular throughout India.
No offence to IR, but IR has composed for bollywood movies. Even then if he went unnoticed, its not ARR's fault. ARR made better use of his opportunities, which is not a bad thing at all. Just becos he got noticed in Bollywood doesn't mean he doesnot have talent. Nobody can survive for 20 years with only hype in this industry. If just getting noticed in Bollywood gives him so much popularity, then why didn't other hindi composers like Anu Malik, Jatin Lalit and whole lot of others didn't get the same recognition. The whole world is appreciating the genius, and there are few people here calling themselves as music lovers, but they can't appreciate someone who single handed is taking the indian music to the world.
Re: ARR is genius
by Guru on Jan 13, 2009 05:01 PM
Ya, some people think that Maniratnam, Shankar, Shyam Benegal, Ashutosh Gowarikar, Subhash Ghai, Rakesh Mehra, Aamir Khan, Balachander, Bharat Bala, Bharathiraja, Danny Boyle, Shekhar Kapoor, Andrew Lloyd Webber, He Ping, Baz Luhrmann and many others are fools that they opted for ARR.
They also think that the jury of Golden Globes are also fools to announce ARR as a winner.
May be next time all these directors will take advice from Mahesh (the musical genius) on whom to take as a composer for their movies. And all the awards jury will ask Mahesh to head their jury.
Re: ARR is genius
by Truth Teller on Jan 13, 2009 04:05 PM
They are out calling that he is all hype and no osubstance. Was it hype that won him national award for his first movie. Was it hype that people like Andrew Webber Lloyd wanted him to compose music for his musical production. Was it hype that his music is appreciated by international critics who know more about western music than the people commenting in our forums. The list just goes on and on.
They first tried to tarnish his name as copycat saying he copies western music and when that didnt work out they started singing new tune that he doesnt know Indian classical music. No knowledge of raagas is like no knowledge of music. Then he cant write notes. Who cares as long as the music in the CD that I buy sounds great. I feel my money is worth as ARR has taken the effort to create somethig good.
Re: Re: ARR is genius
by BloodHound on Jan 13, 2009 04:46 PM
Its because of the chauvinist film board members selecting candidated for national award that greats like IR go unnoticed. They gave national award to ARR for Roja ( even though its a tamil movie) because this was dubbed in hindi and that increased the hormone levels in these judges
Re: Re: Re: ARR is genius
by Truth Teller on Jan 13, 2009 05:12 PM
You are so wrong ..Roja was dubbed in Hindi much later .. ARR won the national award before that.
To the person who said ARR and Kamalhaasan are mallu, thats completely wrong. Kamalhaasan is born in Paramakudi, TN and ARR in Chennai. Both are exponent of Tamil and Kamalhaasan promotes Tamil often. Both have said that they are Tamilian. So boss, stop your regionalism and it really doesn't matter that he is not Mallu, just be glad an INDIAN won at the globes.
great directing by boyle and great score by rahman. Best song in the song is by M.I.A. who sings paper planes, which was voted by CNN to be the most coolest song of 2008. She is a refugee from Sri Lanka living in London. She is awesome. If a refugee can become an international sensation....that is the real slumdog millionaire.
Re: Slum dog
by ShivSena on Jan 13, 2009 03:59 PM
I read about her, she is basically a Tamil refugee from Sri Lanka and now lighting up music in the west. She is definately an inspiration to all those people who down and out. If a refugee can make it, that is a nice story. I think she also sings a song with ARR in the movie and they also play her 'paper planes' in the movie. What a tribute to an ex-refugee to contribute to a movie about a slumdog millionaire.
Why only Danny for slumdog, one mr adiga , the likes of arundhati roy ,kiran desai ,u & me also can be heaped honours for portraying India distastefully. While there is no denying the poverty & filth that ruins India, these people mock upon them for definite western approval. Vilification not empathy of India's misery is these people's claim to fame! but i congratulate rahman for good music and the resultant award ,congratulation!
well i dunno why people are comparing Ar Rahman to Illayaraja.... the two are very different and are from different eras..... while illayaraja is past his prime and had ruled the charts untill the 90's,its now rahmans era and whether you like it or not, hes done India proud....what more would you ask for? we should learn to enjoy one anothers success..... for one, i felt very proud when he thanked a Billion Indian People for their prayers!thats his humility..... i wish more people had that kind of upbringing.
Ive seen some posts here mentioning rahman is just a good keyboard player and all that....well may i ask thse people (like one mahesh in particular) that howcome illayaraja and the others are unable to come up with the same stuff as arr when the same keyboards are available to them too!ITS NOT ABOUT THE INSTRUMENT,ITS THE SKILL THAT COUNTS.
Lastly, lets not make this a regional issue,music as arr has time and again said can bridge barriers but i see a few people here hell bent on creating controversies..... fyi,rahman didnt thank tamilians or north indians,he thanked all indians....isnt that good enuf?grow up guys....!
Re: rahmans the best!
by Mahesh on Jan 13, 2009 03:10 PM
The point here is Rahman is a very nice huamn being. But his music is not that nice as his gesture. I love ARR for his public behaviour but the same can't be said for his music talent.
I agree with you on so many points. Music has no region. When he thanked he thanked as Indians and not divided us on zone wise or state wise. I am not saying that ARR has no talent. When the junkies like ANU MALIK can score music why NOT ARR? I would support ARR for his musical journey. He can become the best provided he starts with the basics of raagas. Raagas are so important. Indian music is the greatest in the world. Variety is its synonym. But ARR has not learned it so far. He would have achived success which is not real.
Re: Re: rahmans the best!
by ss ss on Jan 13, 2009 03:15 PM
Can you define what is real success and virtual success? Even Illayaraja also don't know much about classical music. Ilayarajs himself only admitted that. But you consider him as a great musician.
Re: Re: Re: rahmans the best!
by Mahesh on Jan 13, 2009 03:26 PM
To upesh and ss ss, My name is Mahesh and I cannot be a paki. Upesh's first error in judging. Secondly ss said IR dosen't know much about classical music. Sorry he is a master. Not only IR but other legends prior to his era also. The toughest role of a music director is to write notes. IR or Burmans can do this in no time. For that Salilda is superior. ARR simple dosen't know it. Creating tunes is different than writing notes technically.
Re: Re: Re: Re: rahmans the best!
by upekshit hai on Jan 13, 2009 03:48 PM
u r forgetting deliberately tht ARR has learnt Classical ragas under Ghulam Mustafa khan..
Re: Re: Re: Re: rahmans the best!
by ss ss on Jan 13, 2009 03:34 PM
Dear MAhesh,
I am a fan of ilayaraja. I am/can no way underestimate raja sir's capability as a musician. The point i want o make here is...Ilayaraja himself told in few interviews that he is not trained classical musician. But he ahs got great music sense. Same thing applies to rahman too. You need not be a slassical trianed musician inorder to be successful in cini music. One needs to have a great music sense that isenough. Rahman's music sense is really great...though he is not a trined clasical I wold say he is more successful.
Re: Re: Re: Re: rahmans the best!
by upekshit hai on Jan 13, 2009 03:30 PM
go to aSha ji..Zakir hussain..shiv kumar sharma, amjad ali khan, lata ji, shubha mudgal theses are people with whom Rahman haas worked constantly..they will tell u what Rahman is..get ur data corrected
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rahmans the best!
by Mahesh on Jan 13, 2009 03:36 PM
They can't critice so publicly as we do in the internet. Anyway u people are just perceving as if I have said that ARR is a worst music director. I said ARR is a good music plus Hype= Great Music director.
Re: Re: Re: Re: rahmans the best!
by upekshit hai on Jan 13, 2009 03:29 PM
ths why I ask him to visit Asha ji.. I stay two houses away from her..and ask her..get ur data corrected..ask pt. chaurasia, Shiv kumar sharma, zakir hussian, Lata ji..who have worked with Rahman..get ur false data corrected
Re: Re: Re: Re: rahmans the best!
by Truth Teller on Jan 13, 2009 03:55 PM
Nobody cares if you can writes notes or not. All it matters is whether the final output is music to ears. And ARR's sure is music to ears to many a people. His albums sell and music appreciated by people from various countries. Just because you can write notes really fast doesnt make you great. Times have changed and he is keeping up with it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rahmans the best!
by Mahesh on Jan 13, 2009 04:02 PM
Dear Truth teller, Nobody cares if you can writes notes or not. All it matters is whether the final output is music to ears.
THIS ONE STATEMENT IS WHAT IS CALLED SALEABLE. That is to present yourself or to be presentable. In other words, we can simply say commercial. But passionate people think beyond commercialization. Doesen't mean if your are passionate you can't earn. A boundary that results from edging behing wickets is different from a boundary resulting from square-cut or late-cut. I mean A ROYAL SHOT.
Re: Re: Re: rahmans the best!
by BloodHound on Jan 13, 2009 03:31 PM
Who claimed that ARR doest have good classical knowledge. He was born and brought up in chennai and pratctices under Ilayaraja and is bound to have a sound classical knowledge. Go ask SP Balasubramanium abt Ilayaraja's classical base. BTW Both ARR and Ilayaraja are from Kollywood and still based out of kollywood. I am pretty sure you dont know abt this, as otherwise a northie wont vouch a southern music composer( even though he scores for bollywood).
Re: Re: rahmans the best!
by Truth Teller on Jan 13, 2009 03:58 PM
Indian music is the greatest ???? May be rasam and sambar are the tastiest dishes in the world and not to mention lungi the best attire in the world.
Re: Re: Re: rahmans the best!
by BloodHound on Jan 13, 2009 04:25 PM
Why dont you munch you aloo and run away to pakistan if you cant understand the nuances of indian music. I know why you questioned indian music's greatness. All you know is north indian music(its called hindustani - not sure if u knew this name) and this has been largely derived from persian. But u shudnt hate iran, pakistan as thats where your rightly belong to.
Re: Re: Re: rahmans the best!
by Mahesh on Jan 13, 2009 04:13 PM
Dear Truth teller, Indian music is greatest with no question mark. Any doubts. Western music is also great. But variety is more in Indian music. It is the sounds that come from instruments make it as western. Performing an orchestra is a tough job. Becoz 100s of violin sounds must synchronize. Western music is timing and synchronization.Inddian music is the modulation of rhythms and more mathematical.
Re: Re: Re: Re: rahmans the best!
by aditya on Jan 13, 2009 04:17 PM
Mahesh,
I think you are having hatred and jealousy for ARR. I see you all around these news from ARR. Why are you fighting with ARR fans? If you are not ARR fan, then why bother coming here and fighting with ARR fans? If you feel ARR is not great, be it, dont go on shouting here. We accept ARR is not great for you, are you satisfied now? We dont want to go in a debate with you, let the ARR fans enjoy this moment.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rahmans the best!
by BloodHound on Jan 13, 2009 04:28 PM
Mahesh mentioned that he is a ARR fan. And i dont see hatred and jealoust for ARR in his posts. He is trying to show the other side of the coin which most of you are not aware of. Discussion board is meant for healthy discussion. not for bland mundane comments like "ARR u r the best, we are proud of u bla bla bla"
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rahmans the best!
by aditya on Jan 13, 2009 04:34 PM
BloodHound, please give a break, Mahesh is not ARR fan. See his posts all around.
Mahesh, it is your opinion. Again, you are behaving that you are telling the fact which is not. Who are you to judge ARR's talent and convert it to a fact. Tell, its ur opinion. OK..its ur opinion, but why are u preaching ur opinion all around this news? Are you having any mental stress to prove your opinion correct? Relax man. At the end of day, with all your time trying to convince your opinion, you will return with no one agreeing except a few like BloodHound, REJOICE!!
Re: rahmans the best!
by Guest on Jan 13, 2009 04:40 PM
congrats for rahman. atleast now indian music has been recognised at international level and rahman has made it happen. as an indian i am proud of him. but cant accept he is the best.as for me the word 'genius' really means for ilayaraaja sir, for his tuning ability and orchestrating those which any other composer cant do better than him. if rahman deserves golden globe, raaja sir definitely deserves an oscar for many of his compositions.
